If you have nothing better to do this weekend, have a go at it.

I actually play quite a civil game until the first personal insult comes my way. But I never strike the first blow.

And to your last point, I'll repeat myself again: Do you think that your opinion of me matters in the least to me?

So how does that answer the question "when did the producers turn on her?" The question was not when did Janet fall from grace

I don't report people. I have no problems with people speaking their mind...whatever it may be.

That doesn't suprise me

The distilled answer is: "What do you mean? The producers never turned on Janet."

It all depends on whether you believe the producers turned against her because they felt her performances were going backwards OR because she was being too feisty and single minded backstage.

Past evidence would suggest they are usually more guided by how the voting is going than actual performances. This is the first time ever a really popular contestant with the public has fallen out of favour with the producers.

dont forget daniel jhonson

That at least would have addressed the question posed.

God you're so boring thinking you're so smart.
You do realize that outside your head you just come across as a massive pre-teen fangirl right?

To someone who actually says "get over it"
Gee I'm gutted!

No, I don't think my opinion of you matters in the least to you.

smart people generaly arnt boring like janet i guess smart not boring why are we still talking about someone who is boring

Janet was a runaway audience favorite during the auditions, and she backed it up at JH and during the first few live shows. She went downhill starting with Halloween week and never really recovered, save for 1 or 2 solid but not great performances.

I don't believe that the producers "turned" on her per se, but they stopped pimping her. And I believe that was due to your option #1: she had lost the momentum she carried in from the auditions show, and they realized that they had backed the wrong horse. So when she started slipping up, the judges stopped showering her with false praise if she didn't deliver (like she did with "Kiss Me", where she got a round of very good comments from the judges).

If she performed to the standard of "Kiss Me" from Week 4 to the end, I think she would have run away with the competition. All this talk about her being headstrong is an urban legend. She went out on stage and sang MmmBop to a pretty cheesy arrangement and staging. If she really was such an independent mind, she would have told them to go f*** themselves, but she went along with it instead.

Which is what I said in my first post in this thread.

Did they? I thought it had been proven on video (youtube) that the girls microphone got caught in her clothing/jewellery.

This is a good post and sounds balanced.

I have noticed manipulation before on X Factor when it has not been against an act I favoured. I had no interest whatsoever in Mary Byrne last year, but I could see instantly what they were doing to do their level best to ensure she did not make the final.

But even that pails compared to the manipulation this year. It was really bad. Pretty much most unbiased observers can see that the way Janet was treated was far from even-handed compared to, say, Misha or Little Mix.

We also know why as well. It was down to Syco wanting to decide the winners. There is nothing wrong with that as long as that is what the show is advertised as - decided by Syco.

But they are advertising it (and taking phone money from the public from it) on the basis of it being the public's choice. However, it is very far from "just the public's choice", and that is where I take issue with their advertising and the show's format. They are lieing, basically.

Come on stop talking sense. The Janet fans need someone to blame, for their princess not winning

Well, they're about ready to burn me at the stake here, so I don't think that strategy will work.

I thought I toasted you a long ass time ago.

Reincarnation. But I'm back as a squirrel, so I'm much more vulnerable now...

Awww but, I can't hurt a squirrel, little furry guys with those cute tiny paws, big dark eyes, adorable bushy tails and stuff. That's just no fun.

The crux of the matter is why they didn't save Janet in the sing off. If they had done, she almost certainly would have gotten a sympathy bounce in the semi (given her consistent popularity on the show) and reached the final. Which means we can virtually take it as read they didn't want Janet in the final.

Were they fearful she would drag the standard of the final down, or was the real reason they were afraid she could beat Little Mix and win?

I don't understand why "They thought that Misha B. was more talented" can't be an option? Misha B. was landing in the bottom NOT because she's not a talented singer, but because the public wasn't warming to her. Conversely, Janet winning the public vote for her weeks doesn't mean that she was the best singer in the competition. I mean, Johnny finished neck-and-neck with her one week.

I don't think it was a matter of them fearing that Janet would drag the standard of the final down, but more that they felt that Misha was being punished by the audience unfairly and they saw more potential in her...perhaps even to the extent that they would rather enjoy one additional performance from her than one from Janet.

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They must have known though that Misha had no hope of winning the show : she finished last in the voting every time she ended up in a sing off. It was pretty obvious after she survived the quarter final sing off, that she would probably be eliminated in the semi.

My own guess is that they were doing everything to stop Janet reaching the final, and when the opportunity came, they gleefully seized it. I suspect they would have eliminated her even one or two weeks earlier had she ended up in the bottom 2, no matter who she faced in that sing off.