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Which Pros Will be Dropped For Next Year?
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Monkseal
12-12-2011
If I were to guess anyone would leave it would be Katya, although my extensive research on the matter is her scoring 0 public recognition on Pointless so...
Damahepa
12-12-2011
To everyone noting how the Jordans aren't on the tour- methinks the only reason for that is the fact that it's Craig in control and he doesn't like James' attitude... I don't think the BBC have anything really to do with that decision...

Noone's really mentioned Vincent and Flavia being axed... they've got their own tour, they're not really flavour of the period with their pros, and they're the second longest serving pro couple after Anton and Erin (they appeared as guests on the show for a group Tango before James and Ola, who joined as proper professionals with Vincent and Flavia and the Cutlers the year after), I fear their time is up- I can only hope that The Grant has saved Flavia- and their need to have an Argentine Tango specialist couple, as their dance is often the highlight of the series.

Anton and Erin- I would have thought if they were going to go they would have already been shown the door with Lillia and Darren, as their strengths and weaknesses as pros was known well before Anton and Nancy this year... But did you see how disinterested Erin was with the pro challenge on ITT? I really thought she knew the end was neigh- so I'm not sure anymore :S I do hope they stay... I know we complain but it really wouldn't be SCD without Anton and Erin- particularly for their expertise in ballroom beyond all other pro couples past and present...
Monaogg
12-12-2011
Originally Posted by Alli-F:
“I think Robin could fulfill the role that Anton has now with the older, slower contestant but he could do it without belittling them and making it all about himself.


I love Erin, but I think she's gone as far as she's going to, she won't/doesn't do the tour, so she's not going to get a contender and her Latin's pretty poor, so I'd happily say goodbye to Erin and Anton.

I'd also happily get rid of the Jordans, Ola is really annoying me this year, she never did before. She only really has a few signature moves and a catsuit and it's starting to look really tired. ”

Agree..... Would also love to watch the incandescent meltdown of the diehard Anton fans...
TheAuburnEnigma
13-12-2011
Just to add to my earlier post, this one I'll make more detailed:

Artem - 2 series. Won 1, semis in the other. Praised for innovative choreography, but sometimes goes a little too far out there. He likes his props. Not the most encouraging of pros so would be interesting to see how he does with an older or below-average celeb before I can really judge.

Aliona - 3 series. Out week 3 in the first, came 2nd in number 2 and has reached the final in number 3. Pretty good record so far. Innovative choreography again, but less praised and criticised for not putting in enough content on occasion. Had an over-abundance of props last series but has used them sparingly this year. Would like to see her with an "Anita" style celeb.

Kristina - 4 series. Out in 7th place after withdrawing in first series, followed by a week 5 exit in her second, first out in her 3rd series, has made it to the final in her fourth - bit of a mixed bag. Did some great comedy routines with John Sergeant, and has worked the camp factor with Jason in this one, although has been criticised before for her Latin choreography being too disco-y. Has come across as being a bit "desperate".

Pasha - 1 series. Has made it to the final. So far, so good. Has given his partner tons of content in each routine. Has used a fair amount of props though. Need to see him with a less able celeb to judge.

Brendan - 9 series. Won the first, went out week 5 in the second, week 4 in the third, week 8 in the fourth, finished in 6th place after withdrawing in the fifth series, finished 3rd in series 6, went out week 6 in the seventh, week 7 in the eighth, and for series 9 he went out officially in week 6 (although also went out week 9 after replacing Robin for one week). Mixed fortunes although has generally got at least halfway every series. Not the flashiest pro in terms of choreography, but tailors it to his partner very well. Can work with any ability level.

Robin - 2 series. Has finished 7th in both (week 9). Pretty good considering he had "older" women as partners. Seems very encouraging with his partners. Usually quite understated with choreography, but can camp it up when needed. Has started to use more props this series. Want to see him with a talented celeb next series.

Natalie - 3 series. Finished 2nd in her first series, made it to the semis in her second, and went out week 7 in her third. Very much praised for her choreography, which she is able to tailor to her celeb really well. Not averse to using props. Can work with any ability of celeb.

Flavia - 6 series. Withdrew after week 1 in her first, finished 2nd in her second, went out week 1 in her third, week 8 in her fourth, week 6 in her fifth, and week 8 in her 6th. Mixed fortunes but relatively, decent. Can do comedy routines very well, can tailor choreography to celeb very well. Unfortunately think she'll get a duffer next year.

Vincent - 6 series. Finished 4th in his first, went out week 2 in his second, finished 2nd in his third, finished 5th in his fourth, went out week 8 in his fifth, and was first out in his sixth. Some bad finishes but generally gets at least halfway. Understated choreography, can work with any celeb. Difficult to do comedy routines.

Anton - 9 series. Finished 3rd in his first, went out week 3 in his second, finished 5th in his third, went out week 5 in his fourth, week 7 in his fifth, week 2 in his sixth, finished 4th in his seventh, finished 6th in his eighth, went out week 5 in his ninth. Mixed fortunes but some good finishes there. Not renowned for his Latin. The King of the Comedy Routines. Does best with average celebs.

Erin - 9 series. Finished 4th in her first, 3rd in her second, 2nd in her third, went out week 7 in her fourth, week 3 in her fifth, finished 4th in her sixth, went out week 10 in her seventh, week 4 in her eighth, and out third in her ninth. Some very good finishes and she usually gets quite far with her celebs. Again, not renowned for her Latin, doesn't go for comedy routines with her less able celebs. Can work with celebs of any ability.

Katya - 3 series. Went out week 9 in her first, got to the semis in her second, and was out second in her third. Has generally taken less able celebs quite far. Cannot comment on choreography until she has a talented celeb. Hasn't used many props so far.

James - 6 series. Went out week 4 in his first, week 4 in his second, week 9 in his third, week 7 in his fourth, finished 3rd in his fifth, and got to the semis in his sixth. Generally gets at least halfway. Hasn't always got on with his celebs, suffered a few shock exits. Not averse to using props.

Ola - 6 series. Went out week 3 in her first, week 9 in her second, week 7 in her third, won her fourth, went out week 3 in her fifth, and finished 6th in her sixth. Known for the "starfish and posing" Latin choreography, and the catsuit. Mixed bag of results. Doesn't use many props.
Geeny
13-12-2011
Jordans not doing tour means nothing, Anton,Erin others etc usually dont because of overlap with own tours and teaching etc etc. All these dancers have big a fan base as contestants and if you see Anton etc on stage or as a teacher comments like hes past it wouldnt cut mustard
Muggsy
13-12-2011
Originally Posted by Geeny:
“Jordans not doing tour means nothing, Anton,Erin others etc usually dont because of overlap with own tours and teaching etc etc. All these dancers have big a fan base as contestants and if you see Anton etc on stage or as a teacher comments like hes past it wouldnt cut mustard”

But the Jordans don't have their own tour. Anton, Erin, Vincent, Flavia and Brendan are all unavailable due to touring commitments. AFAIK the Jordans are available, they just haven't been asked.
Scarlett Berry
13-12-2011
Anton, Erin, the Jordans and personally I hope Artem slings his hook
holly berry
13-12-2011
I'd like to see them all back.

I'd like to see Artem cope with next year's Edwina Curry and Anton deal with next year's Chelsee.

For a change.
Steve9214
13-12-2011
Might also depend on judges.

If Len ducks out for DWTS could he be replaced by Anton ?, or maybe Len/ Alesha go and replaced by the Jordans. James v Craig on the judging panel would be good TV.
Brendan is already a judge down under (but NZ TV is not making their version at moment due to costs) but would that devalue him as a dancer for his tour ticket sales?

Interesting the footage of how Anita said how hard she had to work with Brendan when Robin was ill. Robin has had last 2 partners of actresses who can maybe move well and getting them over half way in the contest (Patsy Kensit / Anita), whereas James took Alex (who could not dance at all) to the semis.
Artem worked Holly hard, so will be interesting to see how he works with Nancy on the tour.

Flavia did herself a lot of good with Russell, but her record of getting "involved" with Celeb partners might count against.

Kristina seems to be settled in the UK so won't want to go anywhere. (Fairly hefty engagement ring very noticeable)

Only question may be with Katya, Kristina or Ola starting families, but the BBC had enough trouble over Arlene sacking, never mind dropping a pregnant dancer !!!
lynxmale
13-12-2011
guffaw over constant pregnancy speculations. Pro dancers marry to stop other people hitting on them and to give stability. No reason to have children either in the strictly limited years of your career. Convince me otherwise by naming some who met in their prime and stayed together with children!
Steve9214
13-12-2011
Originally Posted by lynxmale:
“guffaw over constant pregnancy speculations. Pro dancers marry to stop other people hitting on them and to give stability. No reason to have children either in the strictly limited years of your career. Convince me otherwise by naming some who met in their prime and stayed together with children!”

These days having kids does not mean the end of an showbiz/ athletics career, so why would it affect pro dancers ?
CloneClown
13-12-2011
Originally Posted by Steve9214:
“These days having kids does not mean the end of an showbiz/ athletics career, so why would it affect pro dancers ?”

Exactly. Karen Hardy had kids and took time out from competitive dancing for many years before she graced us on Strictly - and we all know how well she did.

Despite their popularity, I wouldn't be surprised if Flavia and Vincent were dropped - especially Vincent whose 'flirty' act is getting tiresome. I think he also seems less engaged with the show most likely because he hasn't had a contender since Rachel.

I would also love to see Anton get someone below 30 just to see the outrage on here and to see how he goes about it. Agree that Artem needs a duffer for sure next year as well as Aliona - if they score good ones again then it's a fix for sure!
shefair
13-12-2011
I maintain Artem almost got a duffer in Holly. She finished really well but I think that was because of really hard work on both their parts and Artem choreographing to disguise her weaknesses

If you mean a duffer as in Edwina or Ann I would not wish them on my worst enemy
Alli-F
13-12-2011
Originally Posted by shefair:
“I maintain Artem almost got a duffer in Holly. She finished really well but I think that was because of really hard work on both their parts and Artem choreographing to disguise her weaknesses

If you mean a duffer as in Edwina or Ann I would not wish them on my worst enemy”



I agree that Holly was an almost duffer in the Anita/Alex/Robbie bracket who was never going to win but was really likeable, but by various circumstances,intelligence and blooming hard work Artem/Brendan did an amazing job getting her as far as she did and as far as she was ever realistically going to get.

It's only because of Artem and his clever choreography, disguising some major flaws in her frame, hold and core that made her look like a pretty good dancer.

That charleston was Holly's abillity, but this time Artem couldn't choreograph his way out of it but still did an amazing job making the dance cool and relevant when on paper lots of us may have been wincing thinking that it could be a car crash for her.
peeve
13-12-2011
I would not be in the least bit surprised to see no change to the pro line-up next year, unless one of them decides to do other things. Last year the disapproval for Jared was pretty universal and he was the only one replaced. His replacement is universally approved of, so why make any changes?

And as much as I love reading forum members' careful analysis of how far different pros have gone in the competition, it's surely irrelevant? I'm a big fan of Artem, but would we be tut-tutting about his 'mixed record' if he'd been given Edwina Curry and gone out in the first round? Similarly, Aliona has had two partners in a row who were almost guaranteed to reach the final - I'd argue that any other female pro dancer could have had the same or very similar result.

I don't doubt that James's role as pantomime villain is one scripted for him by the BBC. He is, by all accounts, a thoroughly nice man behind the scenes. Although he and Ola will be disappointed not to have been asked to tour, I don't think it reflects the BBC's opinion of the Jordans, only the tour organisers' opinion, since they are different entities.

Finally, who would they bring in to replace any dropped pros? As much as I would join in the general howl of approval for the reinstatement of Ian, I don't think that will happen. It's always a bit of a risk bringing in a new, untried pro, as Hayley Holt can testify...
Lorelei Lee
13-12-2011
I think they've cottoned on in recent years (say since about series 6/7) that the replacement of professionals is rather a good way to gain column inches, which will be important for the new EP following Moira Ross's departure.

So I wouldn't be that surprised to see a couple of big names axed purely for publicity's sake, and a couple more stars brought in to redress the balance.

If they're worried about untried pros, is it not right that the DWTS dancers rotate in and out each series to some extent? Could we have a couple of them over here?

Maybe even some kind of exchange programme, with the Jordans going to America for a couple of years and us getting their swapsies. The Americans LOVE Brit bad boys - James would be an instant hit
Doghouse Riley
13-12-2011
Originally Posted by Lorelei Lee:
“I think they've cottoned on in recent years (say since about series 6/7) that the replacement of professionals is rather a good way to gain column inches, which will be important for the new EP following Moira Ross's departure.

So I wouldn't be that surprised to see a couple of big names axed purely for publicity's sake, and a couple more stars brought in to redress the balance.

If they're worried about untried pros, is it not right that the DWTS dancers rotate in and out each series to some extent? Could we have a couple of them over here?

Maybe even some kind of exchange programme, with the Jordans going to America for a couple of years and us getting their swapsies. The Americans LOVE Brit bad boys - James would be an instant hit ”


This may happen given the "song and dance" the BBC made over the U.S. "It's only Jennifer Grey!!!!"

Who I doubt was anyone of much significance to British viewers
jjackson42
13-12-2011
A cautionary note: with Moira Ross going, whoever comes in as EP is going to want to make a "splash", so we can expect a fairly major re-vamp as they put their "stamp" on it.

This can have good or bad aspects; no doubt any changes will have their fans or detractors BUT.....

....it may WELL mean changes in the pro-dancers line-up!!!

JJ
linc52
13-12-2011
as long as robin stays i dont care
Mystical123
13-12-2011
Originally Posted by lynxmale:
“guffaw over constant pregnancy speculations. Pro dancers marry to stop other people hitting on them and to give stability. No reason to have children either in the strictly limited years of your career. Convince me otherwise by naming some who met in their prime and stayed together with children!”

Warren and Kristi Boyce maybe?


There's no reason for pro dancers not to have children, especially if, like the Jordans, they're no longer competing and probably don't intend to ever compete again.



To get back on the topic of the thread, I'm not sure whether I think the Jordans are more likely to be back or not. They both got far in the competition this year, James certainly generates a lot of publicity and Ola is generally liked and was a popular winner, so they've got points in their favour. But is there room for the bad-boy act x2 if Brendan's still there as well? Not sure, and I can't see Brendan being dropped, the only way he won't be back is if he decides to leave, which could be a possibility.

I really do hope this is the year I'm right when I predict that Anton and Erin will be axed!!

And I think Robin is potentially on shaky ground as well.

I hope they don't decide that Vincent and Flavia are too big for the show, surely their West End run and tour are good publicity for the show itself as well, likewise Brendan's tour...
AntoniaA
13-12-2011
Anton?
Mishcoll
13-12-2011
I for one really hope the Jordans stay.

I don't see any reason to change the line up unless any of the pros want to leave themselves.

We'll have to wait 9 months to find out
Englishspinner
13-12-2011
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“I hope they don't decide that Vincent and Flavia are too big for the show......”



I think V+F's compact physiques would ensure their continued participation when the celebs come in all shapes and sizes. Though Robbie/Ola and Brendan/Lulu size mismatches gave us a bit of a laugh occasionally.
jackbell
13-12-2011
I think with SCD's ratings success over X Factor means they'll want to keep all the Pros. I also think with the unpopular changes XF made will reinforce that non-change at Strictly.

Bruce will return one last time. As will Len.

2013 will be the Big Change...
jjackson42
13-12-2011
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“Warren and Kristi Boyce maybe?


There's no reason for pro dancers not to have children, especially if, like the Jordans, they're no longer competing and probably don't intend to ever compete again.



To get back on the topic of the thread, I'm not sure whether I think the Jordans are more likely to be back or not. They both got far in the competition this year, James certainly generates a lot of publicity and Ola is generally liked and was a popular winner, so they've got points in their favour. But is there room for the bad-boy act x2 if Brendan's still there as well? Not sure, and I can't see Brendan being dropped, the only way he won't be back is if he decides to leave, which could be a possibility.

I really do hope this is the year I'm right when I predict that Anton and Erin will be axed!!

And I think Robin is potentially on shaky ground as well.

I hope they don't decide that Vincent and Flavia are too big for the show, surely their West End run and tour are good publicity for the show itself as well, likewise Brendan's tour...”


Good points all!!

JJ
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