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The Harry-Kara Parallels
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Monkseal
12-12-2011
This weekend only cements it. Harry is going to win because he's Kara as a boy.

Win a Charity Pre-Show Competition: Both Kara and Harry won a BBC Jolly charity event before the show, effecitvely serving as an audition to the producers, showing off their talent, without being so amazing they seemed to be ringers.

Get an ex-SYTYCD pro : Both Artem(finallist) and Aliona(last cut before the finals) made it far on So You Think You Can Dance - a show devoted to versatility, willingness to learn styles outside of ballroom, and performing to a reality tv crowd. As Strictly becomes increasingly less about ballroom, being with a chameleon, rather than an Erin, can only pay off.

Start near the front, but not RIGHT at the front : Both Kara and Harry were strong from the beginning, and clear contenders to win from the off. But the judges held back with the scores in comparison to their rivals . Kara didn't top the leaderboard til Week 6, Harry til Week 7.

Overcome "performance" problem, often imaginary, somewhere mid-series : See : Kara's Charleston, Harry's Argentine Tango/samba. Both hammered by the judges for performance problems, which were never subsequently mentioned. Len bless him even joined in when he'd had to cede the problem to Jennifer Grey when he was away.

Fight with Len, then "win him round" : Len yelling at Kara & Artem for their American Smooth? At Harry & Aliona for a few weeks mid-series? All forgotten by the end - 10S ABOUND.

Whilst fighting with Len, make sure he still hypes you, ludicrously : Remember Len saying Kara was professional standard? Remember Len saying that Harry was one of the best male ballroom dancers he's seen? (Not just on the show...ever!). Oh Len...

Get Alesha on board: Alesha gave the majority of Kara's dances a 10. By the end of the final, the same will almost certainly be true for Harry (it's already 50:50). Nobody else gets this from any other judge...I think ever?

Be better at Ballroom than at Latin, apart from rumba, a bit : I can already hear Kara fans gnashing their teeth, but she was, gerroverit.

Be nice and middle class : This goes for pretty much all Strictly winners, but remember that VT where Artem met Kara's parents? Remember how the romance seemed the most important aspect? WRONG. It was showing us all that they lived in a nice big house with high hedges and classy furnishings. Do we even need to start with Harry?

Be young, but not the baby : Nobody likes an old winner. Hollins was the oldest winner, at 39, and he only got away with that because he was the height and build of a toddler. Kara and Harry are both almost the youngest in their class, but in both cases there's someone a bit younger/less mature (Tiny Tina/Chelsee) to remind you they're still a grown-up.

Go into the final in the lead, but not yet peaking : Go into the final top of the leaderboard, with scores of 39 and 39. This way you're the best, you've yet to peak, and you're an all-rounder. Also, have someone else get a controversial Perfect Score so your fans can start ludicrously claiming you've been "undermarked" for a score of 39 (LOL)

Tie it up, and call it a formula.

(NB : If Chelsee wins, scratch this entire thread, and replace it with one about how Chelsee and Alesha are the same because they both have Nans, amazing quickstep skills, and a ****ing annoying laugh, thx)
petertard
12-12-2011
Uncanny the 39's for Harry and Kara in the semi.
SCD-Observer
12-12-2011
Harry will win because of Mcfly fans. Look at Dougie winning IAACGMOFH. Don't need to draw any more parallels, really. I guess it's fun for you in a way...
Kmc1978
12-12-2011
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“This weekend only cements it. Harry is going to win because he's Kara as a boy.

Win a Charity Pre-Show Competition: Both Kara and Harry won a BBC Jolly charity event before the show, effecitvely serving as an audition to the producers, showing off their talent, without being so amazing they seemed to be ringers.

Get an ex-SYTYCD pro : Both Artem(finallist) and Aliona(last cut before the finals) made it far on So You Think You Can Dance - a show devoted to versatility, willingness to learn styles outside of ballroom, and performing to a reality tv crowd. As Strictly becomes increasingly less about ballroom, being with a chameleon, rather than an Erin, can only pay off.

Start near the front, but not RIGHT at the front : Both Kara and Harry were strong from the beginning, and clear contenders to win from the off. But the judges held back with the scores in comparison to their rivals . Kara didn't top the leaderboard til Week 6, Harry til Week 7.

Overcome "performance" problem, often imaginary, somewhere mid-series : See : Kara's Charleston, Harry's Argentine Tango/samba. Both hammered by the judges for performance problems, which were never subsequently mentioned. Len bless him even joined in when he'd had to cede the problem to Jennifer Grey when he was away.

Fight with Len, then "win him round" : Len yelling at Kara & Artem for their American Smooth? At Harry & Aliona for a few weeks mid-series? All forgotten by the end - 10S ABOUND.

Whilst fighting with Len, make sure he still hypes you, ludicrously : Remember Len saying Kara was professional standard? Remember Len saying that Harry was one of the best male ballroom dancers he's seen? (Not just on the show...ever!). Oh Len...

Get Alesha on board: Alesha gave the majority of Kara's dances a 10. By the end of the final, the same will almost certainly be true for Harry (it's already 50:50). Nobody else gets this from any other judge...I think ever?

Be better at Ballroom than at Latin, apart from rumba, a bit : I can already hear Kara fans gnashing their teeth, but she was, gerroverit.

Be nice and middle class : This goes for pretty much all Strictly winners, but remember that VT where Artem met Kara's parents? Remember how the romance seemed the most important aspect? WRONG. It was showing us all that they lived in a nice big house with high hedges and classy furnishings. Do we even need to start with Harry?

Be young, but not the baby : Nobody likes an old winner. Hollins was the oldest winner, at 39, and he only got away with that because he was the height and build of a toddler. Kara and Harry are both almost the youngest in their class, but in both cases there's someone a bit younger/less mature (Tiny Tina/Chelsee) to remind you they're still a grown-up.

Go into the final in the lead, but not yet peaking : Go into the final top of the leaderboard, with scores of 39 and 39. This way you're the best, you've yet to peak, and you're an all-rounder. Also, have someone else get a controversial Perfect Score so your fans can start ludicrously claiming you've been "undermarked" for a score of 39 (LOL)

Tie it up, and call it a formula.

(NB : If Chelsee wins, scratch this entire thread, and replace it with one about how Chelsee and Alesha are the same because they both have Nans, amazing quickstep skills, and a ****ing annoying laugh, thx)”

Love the description of Hollins
Monkseal
12-12-2011
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“Harry will win because of Mcfly fans. Look at Dougie winning IAACGMOFH. Don't need to draw any more parallels, really. I guess it's fun for you in a way...”

Meow!
SCD-Observer
12-12-2011
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“Meow!”

Boo-hiss. *air scratches*
Pet Monkey
12-12-2011
The Harry-kar... Thought you'd gone disastrously Japanese for a moment.
Monkseal
12-12-2011
Are you suggesting thinking of Harry had me turning Japanese?
Kmc1978
12-12-2011
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“Meow!”

While I was out shopping today, I saw a mug that said 'I ♥ spreadsheets' & I thought of you
kassieq
12-12-2011
And, my dear, what is the formula if Jason wins
Monkseal
12-12-2011
Originally Posted by kassieq:
“And, my dear, what is the formula if Jason wins ”

2 parts cyanide to 1 part arsenic. (NOT REALLY, I LOVE JASON WITH ALL MY HEART)
SCD-Observer
12-12-2011
Originally Posted by kassieq:
“And, my dear, what is the formula if Jason wins ”

There is none. Monkseal will just crumble into a messy heap of despair and we'll not get to see any more of the blogs he/she's written.

edit: Monkseal's reply above me just confirms it.
wildbenji64
12-12-2011
I always thought of Chelsee as the Kara, I hadn't given it as much thought, such for simple reasons such as a new pro etc. Now that I've read your post I can definitely see where you are coming from, and think Harry is a lot more like Kara.

After spending at least half the series trying to tar Harry with the same brush as Matt, I've finally realised they are nothing alike and starting to like him. I would prefer Chelsee to win, but wouldn't be fussed if Harry won.
Last edited by wildbenji64 : 12-12-2011 at 19:34
Alli-F
12-12-2011
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“Are you suggesting thinking of Harry had me turning Japanese?”

Well.....yes!
kassieq
12-12-2011
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“2 parts cyanide to 1 part arsenic. (NOT REALLY, I LOVE JASON WITH ALL MY HEART)”



Don't we all, don't we all.
SCDchick
12-12-2011
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“Harry will win because of Mcfly fans. Look at Dougie winning IAACGMOFH. Don't need to draw any more parallels, really. I guess it's fun for you in a way...”

Thats rather a silly statement that harry will win because of mc fly fans. If harry wins, he won because he is excellent. I take it you dont like harry much?
Kmc1978
12-12-2011
Originally Posted by SCDchick:
“Thats rather a silly statement that harry will win because of mc fly fans. If harry wins, he won because he is excellent. I take it you dont like harry much?”

I think he's just saying that Harry already has a proven and loyal fanbase. Forgive me if i'm wrong.
SCD-Observer
12-12-2011
Originally Posted by wildbenji64:
“I wasn't thought of Chelsee as the Kara, I hadn't given it as much thought, such for simple reasons such as a new pro etc. Now that I've read your post I can definitely see where you are coming from, and think Harry is a lot more like Kara.

After spending at least half the series trying to tar Harry with the same brush as Matt, I've finally realised they are nothing alike and starting to like him. I would prefer Chelsee to win, but wouldn't be fussed if Harry won.”

Parallels between Kara and Chelsee:

1. Both actresses that did one show and nothing else in terms of acting (Eastenders vs Waterloo Road).

2. Both had a new pro partner.

3. Both pro partner a native Russian (American or at least speaks with an American accent?) and ex SYTYCD contestants.

4. Chelsee and Kara both didn't believe (genuinely) they were good, and often appeared unconvinced but happy when judges praised them after their performance.

Not as comprehensive as Monkseal but he/she has more time on his/her hands. *meow, boo-hiss, air scratches*
SCD-Observer
12-12-2011
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“Are you suggesting thinking of Harry had me turning Japanese?”

Hari-Krishna. Maybe Indian?
mimi dlc
12-12-2011
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“This weekend only cements it. Harry is going to win because he's Kara as a boy.

Win a Charity Pre-Show Competition: Both Kara and Harry won a BBC Jolly charity event before the show, effecitvely serving as an audition to the producers, showing off their talent, without being so amazing they seemed to be ringers.

Get an ex-SYTYCD pro : Both Artem(finallist) and Aliona(last cut before the finals) made it far on So You Think You Can Dance - a show devoted to versatility, willingness to learn styles outside of ballroom, and performing to a reality tv crowd. As Strictly becomes increasingly less about ballroom, being with a chameleon, rather than an Erin, can only pay off.

Start near the front, but not RIGHT at the front : Both Kara and Harry were strong from the beginning, and clear contenders to win from the off. But the judges held back with the scores in comparison to their rivals . Kara didn't top the leaderboard til Week 6, Harry til Week 7.

Overcome "performance" problem, often imaginary, somewhere mid-series : See : Kara's Charleston, Harry's Argentine Tango/samba. Both hammered by the judges for performance problems, which were never subsequently mentioned. Len bless him even joined in when he'd had to cede the problem to Jennifer Grey when he was away.

Fight with Len, then "win him round" : Len yelling at Kara & Artem for their American Smooth? At Harry & Aliona for a few weeks mid-series? All forgotten by the end - 10S ABOUND.

Whilst fighting with Len, make sure he still hypes you, ludicrously : Remember Len saying Kara was professional standard? Remember Len saying that Harry was one of the best male ballroom dancers he's seen? (Not just on the show...ever!). Oh Len...

Get Alesha on board: Alesha gave the majority of Kara's dances a 10. By the end of the final, the same will almost certainly be true for Harry (it's already 50:50). Nobody else gets this from any other judge...I think ever?

Be better at Ballroom than at Latin, apart from rumba, a bit : I can already hear Kara fans gnashing their teeth, but she was, gerroverit.

Be nice and middle class : This goes for pretty much all Strictly winners, but remember that VT where Artem met Kara's parents? Remember how the romance seemed the most important aspect? WRONG. It was showing us all that they lived in a nice big house with high hedges and classy furnishings. Do we even need to start with Harry?

Be young, but not the baby : Nobody likes an old winner. Hollins was the oldest winner, at 39, and he only got away with that because he was the height and build of a toddler. Kara and Harry are both almost the youngest in their class, but in both cases there's someone a bit younger/less mature (Tiny Tina/Chelsee) to remind you they're still a grown-up.

Go into the final in the lead, but not yet peaking : Go into the final top of the leaderboard, with scores of 39 and 39. This way you're the best, you've yet to peak, and you're an all-rounder. Also, have someone else get a controversial Perfect Score so your fans can start ludicrously claiming you've been "undermarked" for a score of 39 (LOL)

Tie it up, and call it a formula.

(NB : If Chelsee wins, scratch this entire thread, and replace it with one about how Chelsee and Alesha are the same because they both have Nans, amazing quickstep skills, and a ****ing annoying laugh, thx)”

You have WAAAAYYY too much time on your hands (as well as an encyclopdaedic knowledge of strictly)

I have to admit, I thought this thread was going to be about the geographic latitudes where ritual suicide is common....
SCD-Observer
12-12-2011
Originally Posted by SCDchick:
“Thats rather a silly statement that harry will win because of mc fly fans. If harry wins, he won because he is excellent. I take it you dont like harry much?”

I love Harry, after Chelsee. Still reserve my judgement of Aliona until I see her choreography for the new dance and showdance in the final. But I ADORE Pasha. Does that answer your question?

Originally Posted by Kmc1978:
“I think he's just saying that Harry already has a proven and loyal fanbase. Forgive me if i'm wrong.”

Yes. Just like the final between Mark Wright (?) and Doughie Pointer (sp?), who's arguably more fanciable (for that kind of show)? Possibly Mark. But who wins, Doughie. Why? I dare say the loyal Mcfly fans had a lot to do with it.
kassieq
12-12-2011
Originally Posted by mimi dlc:
“You have WAAAAYYY too much time on your hands (as well as an encyclopdaedic knowledge of strictly)

I have to admit, I thought this thread was going to be about the geographic latitudes where ritual suicide is common....”

No that's the Jason Donovan Triangle (I love him I really do)_
Tipi
12-12-2011
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“Parallels between Kara and Chelsee:

1. Both actresses that did one show and nothing else in terms of acting (Eastenders vs Waterloo Road).

2. Both had a new pro partner.

3. Both pro partner a native Russian (American or at least speaks with an American accent?) and ex SYTYCD contestants.

4. Chelsee and Kara both didn't believe (genuinely) they were good, and often appeared unconvinced but happy when judges praised them after their performance.

Not as comprehensive as Monkseal but he/she has more time n his/her hands. *meow, boo-hiss, air scratches*”

You forgot to mention 'became romantically involved with her dance partner'........oh yeah, that hasn't happened, drat!
penguinperson
12-12-2011
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“I love Harry, after Chelsee. Still reserve my judgement of Aliona until I see her choreography for the new dance and showdance in the final. But I ADORE Pasha. Does that answer your question?



Yes. Just like the final between Mark Wright (?) and Doughie Pointer (sp?), who's arguably more fanciable (for that kind of show)? Possibly Mark. But who wins, Doughie. Why? I dare say the loyal Mcfly fans had a lot to do with it.”

Not that loyal as it's been said before as he was nearly eliminated at one point and Mark gave him a drubbing in the semi vote. It suggests there are fan bases but there still needs to be a trigger in the show e.g. a trial or good dance to get them voting.
Jan2555*GG*
12-12-2011
Come on now Monkseal....why are you beating yourself up like this, I know your heart lies elsewhere.

I have told you (elsewhere) that you shouldnt underestimate the appeal of a girl who can turn round the opinion of a grumpy 50 something woman who has an over active disaproval muscle. One of the reasons that Chris Hollins won was because he came across to the public as a sweet, genuine, fun guy with a fun non sexual relationship with Ola. I think Chelsee might just pull this off.
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