Harry is an EXCELLENT ballroom dancer. He may not be as good in his latin but his bad latin dances are still miles ahead of Jason's. So of course I am not equating Harry to Chris gurn-king-pivot-fetish Hollins in any way. Harry is more than above average dancer and that plus Mcfly fans will win him the title. Monkseal's parallells, while fun to read, is quite frankly irrelevant (except the perceived undermarking bits).

You seem to have an ever so slightly huge obsession with McFly fans hun.

You talked about Mark v Dougie,our family voted for Dougie, not because he was in McFly, but because he was the contestant we liked the most. Mark was too much of a game player, but Dougie was just happy to be there.

I don't think it's as clear cut with Strictly, if it was Danny would have won Soapstar to Opera Star.

I do think the McFly vote is being overstated somewhat

Were they really that big???

It is actually just like a rehash of last year, down to them even getting the same marks in the semi-final, and one of the dances even being the same (VW). And also up against a questionable perfect score (Jason/Pamela). I think most people on the show are variations on the same personality.

Would be interesting if we could put Chelsee aside for a moment and ask how many Harry supporters were Kara supporters last year? Bonus points if you also supported Rachel Stevens and extra, extra bonus points if you supported Ricky Whittle (technically I think the 'bot' that year was probably Zoe Lucker but she went out to soon, and anyway series 7 was a bit of a write-off anyhow).

Conversely, how many Jason fans were Pamela fans last year?

I guess that's why people like Gavin and Holly are so refreshing, because they don't fit the mould so to speak.

*sharp intake of breath* You dare criticize Lord Monk of Seal?

*grabs flaming torch and pitchfork* GET HIM!!

However in terms of bookies' favourites, Harry has more parallels with Matt Baker:

Both were early favourites to win at the start of the series.

Both were odds-on favourites to win going into the final.

I dont know quite how you are going to do the equations but for what its worth

I supported Kara but not Harry (Chelsee is my winner)
I supported Rachel
I didnt support Rickey

I have (am) supporting Jason but not necessarily for the win, even though the non appreciation thread imploding would give me a certain amount of pleasure.....disliked Pamela with a passion.

Who I've liked

Chelsee (Harry Ballroom only)
Kara & Pamela
Jade
Austin/Tom/ Jodie
Alesha/Letitia (Gethin Ballroom)
Mark
Zoe/ Darren
Jill
Natasha/ Claire

I watched Danny in the Soapstar. He was at best average. I didn't watch Celebrity (don't own a TV, watch SCD through iplayer) so I go by the digital spy news about that show and Mark was featured like almost every day when the show was on ITV.

As for Strictly, I now saw in the unappreciating thread Harry was voted sexiest man in a gay magazine and with him posing in his whities (with a huge pacakge to boot), I am sure not only the Mcfly fans but Harry's gay fans would be voting in droves in the final.

Not to take away that he's a talented dancer, mind. I just like Chelsee more, that's all, but I don't reckon she will win now...

Both did char-char-char as their first dance.

Sorry to disappoint but we couldn't implode anymore than we have done over the 4 10s for that AT. Not that fussed who wins.

Now if you really wanted to upset the non-app thread you should have been voting like crazy for Pamela, we might all have left the country

My theory is falling apart.

I wonder if it might be a gender thing as well. I tend to support women over men (that might just be cos they are usually the better dancers).

The only men I've supported have been Chris (replacement for Zoe Lucker) and Harry (replacement for Holly).

That's too many!

Just kidding. Oh I give up, there's no easy answers to this question.

hehe surprised about the amount of females I like I normally like the males more when they are a fav.

I agree with you on some of the points Monkseal made. But a few are valid and actually important to the contest. Namely Craig withholding 10 from both Kara and Harry until the very last dance (well, maybe he'll forever withhold it from Harry). But there aren't that many people who don't think Harry's VW (and Kara's rumba) deserved the same marks as Chelsee's Paso or Jason's AT. True there was the head issue with Harry's VW that Craig didn't like, and there was the "illegal lift" split second in Kara's rumba, but there is a point where you have to give up being nit picky and bow to the technical superiority that the celeb has managed to acheive. There are always going to be mistakes to pick on.

I think this withholding of 40s will provoke reaction from the voters. And Monkseal won't be the only person who draws this parallel between Kara and Harry.

Here is a big coincidence for you. Kara used to date James Bourne from Busted I believe, and through Busted became great friends with McFly. She is still a very close friend of McFly's and attending Tom McFly's engagement party alongside Matt Willis recently, the only member of Busted who is still close friends with the band.

Matt Willis won I'm a Celebrity, Dougie won it after taking advice from him.

Harry is in the final and certainly has a chance, he took advice from Kara before the show.

I liked:

Series 4: Mark Ramprakash and Louisa Litton
Series 5: Alesha Dixon
Series 6: Austin Healey
Series 7: No one.
Series 8: Kara Tointon

Series 9: Chelsee Healey followed by Harry Judd a country mile away. Jason, in comparison, is far away in Australia going by this distance analogy...

I wonder how much being bookies' favourite could damage the chances of a celebrity winning. Because people are obviously going to vote for the person they bet on, and it'd be more profitable to bet on someone who's not bookies' favourite and vote for him/her to win. So the profitable thing to do would be to bet on Chelsee (I assume Harry is still the favourite?) and vote for her hoping that she wins.

Especially now that people are all upset with the bankers because they gambled their money away.

I think the answer is actually that we all like people for different reasons and they dont always fit into the same mould. On paper Chelsee should be the very last person I would like but she has won me over. I didnt think I would like Gavin and I adored him (not the dancing mind). There is also the pro partner factor, I know for a 100% fact that I would like Harry more if he was with any of the other female pros, and would be actively supporting him if he was with Kristina or Katya, but I just dont care for Aliona very much and it effects how I think.

I did say I agreed with Monkseal's analysis on the perceived undermarking...

Not only that but Kara is one of the bridesmaids so they must be very close

Oh yes. Just read the end of your post. Oops

Yeah they must be pretty close, I heard Kara will be a bridesmaid at Tom's wedding or something along those lines.

Yep, that is true! She's a huge friend of his fiancee Giovanna Falcone (the sister of Mario Falcone from TOWIE).