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Old 13-12-2011, 22:17
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Hi Guys
Im new to this, so please forgive me if this has already been asked.

I bought a Yamaha RXV371 Amp and 5.1 speakers and need help connecting it to my Blu-Ray player and Sky HD Box.

I was told to connect the SKY HD and Blu Ray to the Amp via HDMI and then then Amp to the TV via HDMI.
However, I've read that in order to get Dolby Digi Surround sound, the Sky HD box must be connected via Optical Wire. Is this true? If so then how should the connections be?

p.s- I have the latest 1TB Sky HD box.

Many Thanks
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Old 13-12-2011, 22:24
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Sky HD won't give you 5.1 via HDMI.

Connect the HD box and the Bluray with HDMI to the amp and then the amp HDMI to the tv.
You'll need an optical connection between the Sky box and the amp for the DD sound
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Old 13-12-2011, 22:31
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Sky HD won't give you 5.1 via HDMI.

Connect the HD box and the Bluray with HDMI to the amp and then the amp HDMI to the tv.
You'll need an optical connection between the Sky box and the amp for the DD sound
Thanks for the reply. Rather then connecting the HD box to the Amp via HDMI, wont it be better to connect the HD box direct to TV via HDMI and then use Optical cable for HD box to amp for DD sound?
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Old 13-12-2011, 22:38
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Doing it that way means you have to switch both TV and amp separately to watch and listen to the Sky HD box. Doing it the other way means you are using the amp to switch both audio and video as one.
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Old 13-12-2011, 22:44
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Thanks for the reply. Rather then connecting the HD box to the Amp via HDMI, wont it be better to connect the HD box direct to TV via HDMI and then use Optical cable for HD box to amp for DD sound?
Not necessarily.

I'm not familiar with the Yamaha but on my Onkyo I can assign separate Audio and Video sources to a particular remote button. So I could assign HDMI 2 as the video source and Optical 1 as the audio source to the Sat button.

This means I can use the amp to select the video source to the TV and a completely separate audio source for the amp all with a single button press. Saves having to select HDMI 1 on the TV using it's remote then picking up the amp remote to select Optical 1 - or just as likely forgetting to do so!

Just makes life a tad easier.
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Old 14-12-2011, 09:30
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Not necessarily.

I'm not familiar with the Yamaha but on my Onkyo I can assign separate Audio and Video sources to a particular remote button. So I could assign HDMI 2 as the video source and Optical 1 as the audio source to the Sat button.

This means I can use the amp to select the video source to the TV and a completely separate audio source for the amp all with a single button press. Saves having to select HDMI 1 on the TV using it's remote then picking up the amp remote to select Optical 1 - or just as likely forgetting to do so!

Just makes life a tad easier.
This ^

it's buried in the settings on the Onkyo. but it can be done.
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Old 14-12-2011, 09:50
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Thanks for the reply. Rather then connecting the HD box to the Amp via HDMI, wont it be better to connect the HD box direct to TV via HDMI and then use Optical cable for HD box to amp for DD sound?
Yes. Then you don't have to even have the amp switched on if all you want to do is watch the news from your Sky box, and listen to it through the TV speakers. Running HDMI (and optical) through the amp will require the amp to be switched on, with the speakers turned down, simply to forward the HDMI signal it receives from the Sky box to the TV. Which is a pointless waste of energy and money.
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Old 14-12-2011, 10:51
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Yes. Then you don't have to even have the amp switched on if all you want to do is watch the news from your Sky box, and listen to it through the TV speakers. Running HDMI (and optical) through the amp will require the amp to be switched on, with the speakers turned down, simply to forward the HDMI signal it receives from the Sky box to the TV. Which is a pointless waste of energy and money.
My Denon amp passes through the HDMI signal. So it doesn't have to be switched on. Don't most?
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Old 14-12-2011, 10:58
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Saves having to select HDMI 1 on the TV using it's remote then picking up the amp remote to select Optical 1 - or just as likely forgetting to do so!

Just makes life a tad easier.
And don't forget picking up the Sky remote to switch Sky on.

So that's 3 remotes you need to hand, or a multi-function.

Fortunately my Panasonic TV will also control my Denon Amp. So all I need is the Sky remote. Turn on Sky, Turn on TV, and everything is set up. The volume on the Sky remote controls also the amp volume, via the TV. And my amp is tucked away out of sight in a cupboard.
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Old 14-12-2011, 11:16
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My Denon amp passes through the HDMI signal. So it doesn't have to be switched on. Don't most?
Good if you only have one thing connected to the amp via HDMI. Not so good if you have two (say a Blu Ray player or DVD recorder or PS3 and a Sky HD box) or more. How do you tell which of the multiple HDMI inputs you want to pass to the HDMI output if the amp isn't switched on?
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Old 14-12-2011, 11:44
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Yes. Then you don't have to even have the amp switched on if all you want to do is watch the news from your Sky box, and listen to it through the TV speakers.
Run a secondary SCART connection from the Sky box to the TV for that.
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Old 14-12-2011, 11:45
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Good if you only have one thing connected to the amp via HDMI. Not so good if you have two (say a Blu Ray player or DVD recorder or PS3 and a Sky HD box) or more. How do you tell which of the multiple HDMI inputs you want to pass to the HDMI output if the amp isn't switched on?
It acts like any HDMI switch. The device which is also switched on tells the amp - presuming you don't have them all switched on and playing. Even then I think there is some order - who ever sends the most recent command gets the pass through I guess. It uses HDMI CEC which most modern devices now support. Though Sky doesn't (but the amp like most remembers the last used device). So if I press play on the DVD, the amp switches to the DVD input.

However, in fairness, this does require it to be in a special low-power state, not completely off. There are 2 standby states, and switching is only supported in one which uses a bit more electricity I understand. Bit like you might have power constantly going to any HDMI switch. It will switch audio and HDMI, so it switches the optical input as well if that it how it is configured.

I don't actually make any use of the pass through really, as I always watch TV with the amp on. The TV switches on the amp automatically. I could turn the automatic switching off. Perhaps I should to save a bit of power as you suggest. Though the convenience is nice.
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Old 14-12-2011, 11:55
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Good if you only have one thing connected to the amp via HDMI. Not so good if you have two (say a Blu Ray player or DVD recorder or PS3 and a Sky HD box) or more. How do you tell which of the multiple HDMI inputs you want to pass to the HDMI output if the amp isn't switched on?
It only works with one device on at any one time, so even if you had 4 devices connected providing only one device is switched on there isn't an issue.
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Old 14-12-2011, 11:58
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It only works with one device on at any one time, so even if you had 4 devices connected providing only one device is switched on there isn't an issue.
So if you don't switch the Sky box off, but want to watch the Blu Ray player or the DVD recorder, then you wouldn't be able to without first switching the amp on and manually selecting the BDP as source? As two different pieces of kit, both connected to the amp via HDMI, would both be sending out an active signal to the amp. Hmm, not that useful then really is it?
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Old 14-12-2011, 11:59
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Run a secondary SCART connection from the Sky box to the TV for that.
Is suggesting somebody watch something in standard definition via a scart connection even though they have a HD box and want to watch a HD channel really the best solution?
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Old 14-12-2011, 12:04
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It only works with one device on at any one time, so even if you had 4 devices connected providing only one device is switched on there isn't an issue.
HDMI CEC codes can tell it to switch.

If I turn my Blu-ray player on, the amp doesnt actually switch to that input until I press play.

My understanding is that switching can be done in standby as well as when turned on.

Now that Chasing Shadows has raised it I must have another look at the setup. I know it can do pass through switching, but the way I have it set up, if I did do something like press play on the Blu-ray it would turn the amp on, not just switch.

If I press play on the Blu-ray it will automatically switch on the amp and the TV.
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Old 14-12-2011, 12:05
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Is suggesting somebody watch something in standard definition via a scart connection even though they have a HD box and want to watch a HD channel really the best solution?
obviously not. but it does seem to come up here a lot.
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Old 14-12-2011, 12:07
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So if you don't switch the Sky box off, but want to watch the Blu Ray player or the DVD recorder, then you wouldn't be able to without first switching the amp on and manually selecting the BDP as source? As two different pieces of kit, both connected to the amp via HDMI, would both be sending out an active signal to the amp. Hmm, not that useful then really is it?
No. The HDMI CEC codes control it. Not just a "signal".

It doesn't switch because it detects a signal, but because you have HDMI Control switched on (in both devices) and then the CEC codes tell the amp to switch.

If I have Sky and both my DVD Recorder and Blu-Ray switched on, and then press play on the Blu-ray then the amp switches accordingly. Press Play on the DVD, and it would then switch to that. But they both support HDMI CEC. If I want to use the Wii, then I have to select it manually.
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Old 14-12-2011, 12:09
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Is suggesting somebody watch something in standard definition via a scart connection even though they have a HD box and want to watch a HD channel really the best solution?
If they are happy to have a quick listen to the news with lesser sound quality then seems like they would not be averse to watching it with lesser picture quality. Of course, why not listen and watch the news using the TV's own Freeview tuner rather than bother firing up the Sky box?
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Old 14-12-2011, 12:16
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If they are happy to have a quick listen to the news with lesser sound quality then seems like they would not be averse to watching it with lesser picture quality. Of course, why not listen and watch the news using the TV's own Freeview tuner rather than bother firing up the Sky box?
maybe they could just get one of these:
http://stat.homeshop18.com/homeshop1...mall/DM229.jpg
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Old 14-12-2011, 12:17
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Of course, why not listen and watch the news using the TV's own Freeview tuner rather than bother firing up the Sky box?
Because Sky News HD (and Sky Sports News HD) don't exist on Freeview? I certainly wouldn't choose to watch either of those via scart. But I also am unlikely to want to switch my amp on to hear them in DD5.1 surround sound either.
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Old 14-12-2011, 12:19
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Because Sky News HD (and Sky Sports News HD) don't exist on Freeview? I certainly wouldn't choose to watch either of those via scart. But I also am unlikely to want to switch my amp on to hear them in DD5.1 surround sound either.
And we still can't get Freeview.
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Old 14-12-2011, 12:34
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I am finding this a bit weird. Some people are wanting the best picture quality they can get at all times but not the best sound quality?
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Old 14-12-2011, 12:38
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Some people are wanting the best picture quality they can get at all times but not the best sound quality?
Exactly. At last you get it.

Receiving the best picture quality has no negative impact on anybody else - and doesn't require you to have extraneous pieces of kit switched on. Having the amp switched on not only gives you 5.1 surround sound that you don't want - but also can have a massive negative impact on other people in the same house (or even same room) as you.

Do you perhaps live alone?
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Old 14-12-2011, 12:42
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Having the amp switched on not only gives you 5.1 surround sound that you don't want - but also can have a massive negative impact on other people in the same house (or even same room) as you
Huh? No I don't get it. Best sound quality is not all about having 5.1 surround sound (that is not even the most important part of it) and I don't see how it affects other people in the same house any more or any less than using the TV's inbuilt crappy sound.
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