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Old 14-12-2011, 11:00
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I am not a fan of x-factor to me they are nothing but karaoke singers who want to be famous,they sing cover versions murder songs .

They are bands who write their own songs slog it out in pubs every week get no where but do it because of their love of music, bands don't even bother with xmas records now because x-factor almost takes the no1 spot then they vanish without trace. As far as i am concerned cowell has ruined music with his karaoke singers and real musicians slog away and the karaoke singers get a recording contact and all the publicity and cowell gets richer with all the gullible teenagers phoning voteing and buying their songs!
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Old 14-12-2011, 11:02
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Without a doubt yes its cowell aiming to make a mass amount of money and a load of Wannabes chasing fame not music.
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Old 14-12-2011, 11:03
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No. It's down to the consumers.

They have the freedom to choose, but I think through inspiring ideas and clever marketing still there is a chance for Real Music (again subjective to listener / consumer). Eg. Military Wives Choir

Or visually (please make sure you watch in Hi-DEF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpx4YqMkrfc
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Old 14-12-2011, 11:12
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No, the X-Factor is just a further nail in the coffin. The rise of manufactured music producing soulless, bland music and the overall shift within the music industry from musicianship to image are to blame. These have always been a factor within pop music but have become more relevant since the late 1980's.
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Old 14-12-2011, 11:19
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The music industry has been in dire straights ever since the majors became the force, with X factor its about TV entertainment , hype sells , the music is secondary & hence why i dont watch. If it was a proper programme with varied guests like Noel Gallagher, Chris Martin, Neil Tennant , Bono - U2 , producers on like Ronson , Chris Porter , Brian Eno , Daniel Lanois etc , then it would be good & the major part of getting the acts to write their own stuff / do un-obvious covers would be good as well, but while thrid rate money men are in the frame , trying to part the deaf, thick & the gullable from their money, then it will only get worse. Its all about product & shifing as much as possible , without any regard to selling a quality product.

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Old 14-12-2011, 11:29
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No. It's down to the consumers.

They have the freedom to choose, but I think through inspiring ideas and clever marketing still there is a chance for Real Music (again subjective to listener / consumer). Eg. Military Wives Choir

Or visually (please make sure you watch in Hi-DEF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpx4YqMkrfc
I do agree with this point you have Adele and Florence & The Machine doing well in the US and globally and there has not been mass media promotion for either it all happened organically which shows that the consumer/public still hankers after real music with something to say and you do not have buy into the more manufactured acts
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Old 14-12-2011, 11:50
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downloading has done the most damage, it made listeners extremely lazy. It's now possible to judge music by a single listen to a preview section of a song, instead of getting to know it over a period of time often with a struggle

Once the physical album dies off completely, the game is up for interesting and even mildly difficult music. Good music can still make it through, but good music that also pushes the boundaries can't get far anymore.
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Old 14-12-2011, 12:00
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No, the X-Factor is just a further nail in the coffin. The rise of manufactured music producing soulless, bland music and the overall shift within the music industry from musicianship to image are to blame. These have always been a factor within pop music but have become more relevant since the late 1980's.
This. Music has been going downhill ever since the music video took over.
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Old 14-12-2011, 12:06
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i don't class anything that comes out of the x factor as real music so in answer to your question NO
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Old 14-12-2011, 12:46
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No, the X-Factor is just a further nail in the coffin. The rise of manufactured music producing soulless, bland music and the overall shift within the music industry from musicianship to image are to blame. These have always been a factor within pop music but have become more relevant since the late 1980's.
^ This. Although I think the effect the Internet has had on music is the reason it's been particularly bad in the last 5-10 years.

I should point out that I'm talking about mainstream "pop" music. There has been plenty of excellent music in the last 5-10 years so it's not all bad.
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Old 14-12-2011, 13:22
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No.

All of the things the OP mentioned have existed in the pop music industry long before the X-factor.

More to the point the X-factor is a tv show, light entertainment for a saturday night and as tv formats go it's quite good. It produces the odd singer or band that will go on to make music but again music acts coming out of high rating TV shows is nothing new, in the 90's you had Robson and Jerome from Soldier Soldier (possibly even managed by simon cowell if memory serves right) selling records and so forth and plenty of soap stars trying to launch pop careers Martine McCutcheon and Sean Maguire.

So no, only if your frame of reference is whats on telly has x-factor ruined music. Music is still brilliant if you bother to look for it and don't confuse tv shows based around music, with music.
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Old 14-12-2011, 13:23
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Without a doubt yes its cowell aiming to make a mass amount of money and a load of Wannabes chasing fame not music.
It hasn't killed music though has it? If you are a band or artist who is good enough you will still make it, exactly the same as you would have before the X Factor.
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Old 14-12-2011, 13:33
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downloading has done the most damage, it made listeners extremely lazy. It's now possible to judge music by a single listen to a preview section of a song, instead of getting to know it over a period of time often with a struggle

Once the physical album dies off completely, the game is up for interesting and even mildly difficult music. Good music can still make it through, but good music that also pushes the boundaries can't get far anymore.
I don't agree at all.

Downloading and the internet has given me the change to listen to music that I simply wouldn't have had access to ten years ago.

When I was a teenager I could find out about music from the radio magazines, my mates or going to gigs.

My taste was infomred by oppinion setters, now if I hear a band I like I can go on to their wikipedia, see other acts they've done split ep's with, go on to the website of indie labels that tend to sign bands I like and see who else they have, stream some of their albums, watch a gig recorded by a fan on you tube or whatever. Then I can dive onto itunes and buy music from a band that may be based in the us and couldn't possible logistically have been selling records in the UK before.

To people who actually love music the internet is brilliant but people who have always treated music as a comodity will continue to and judge music by a short preview on itunes.
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Old 14-12-2011, 13:34
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POP music is doing well but Rock music is finding hard too make waves like it use too.

But it not just the X Factor or Downloading itself that has ruined,music it the whole music industry Radio and TV that has done that.And it's nothing new the last time music was good was around 99 and 2000 and in 2001 it wen't wrong.MTV stopped playing music videos and replaced them with Reality junk and shows from America.Plus I have already said this before but no one care the only way too get music back too the people is open doors too something new.It easy too say look outside the chart but when you do it's just the same style same boring music.
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Old 14-12-2011, 13:42
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It definitely ruined the Christmas No 1. Every year it's always an X Factor winner and it's got really boring now :sleep: Will half these songs be remembered in several years?
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Old 14-12-2011, 13:43
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Yes. It's changed the nation's attitude to music and musicians completely. In this country music has gone from being viewed as a moving emotive artform with mass appeal worth spending money and investing time in to being reduced to something along the lines of eating kangaroo balls on I'm A Celeb.
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Old 14-12-2011, 13:44
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Yes. It's changed the nation's attitude to music and musicians completely. In this country music has gone from being viewed as a moving emotive artform with mass appeal worth spending money and investing time in to being reduced to something along the lines of eating kangaroo balls on I'm A Celeb.
Oh jesus, i've heard it all now.
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Old 14-12-2011, 13:49
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Little Mix wan't too be the new Spice Girls.:yawn:

Nothing new been there seen it Sugarbabes,Girls Alound and The Saturdays.

Do we need another Post Spice Girl band.
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Old 14-12-2011, 13:49
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No. The X-Factor is dreadful, manipulative, mindless trash but there has always been cynically marketed pop-music ever since the first teenage girl screamed at Elvis. The only sad fact today is that its thrust down the throats of folks on Saturday nights and achieves popularity and success because its audience can't be bothered to seek out 'real' music. Their loss.
Look at the amount of folks who go to Download, Glastonbury or Sonisphere or any of the metal/indie clubs around. 'Proper' music is still king.
The way I see it is folks who listen to X-Factor music are the same folks from differing generations who would listen to Westlife, Daniel O'Donnell or Freddie and the Dreamers!...X-Factor blandness, however popular, will never damage support for decent music.
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Old 14-12-2011, 13:52
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Oh jesus, i've heard it all now.
Great response. Well done, Sir. For your next trick, why not show us you're actually capable of forming a thought?
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Old 14-12-2011, 13:54
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No, it hasn't destroyed people's ability to write good music. Also, I would say that the show has actually helped the music industry by encouraging people to buy music again. I also wouldn't say that there is a thing as 'real' or 'not real' music. Does real music exlude everything bar a white man sitting down with a guitar? That's the way it seems according to the people who protest that there is such a thing.
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Old 14-12-2011, 13:56
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No, it hasn't destroyed people's ability to write good music. Also, I would say that the show has actually helped the music industry by encouraging people to buy music again. I also wouldn't say that there is a thing as 'real' or 'not real' music. Does real music exlude everything bar a white man sitting down with a guitar? That's the way it seems according to the people who protest that there is such a thing.
I agree with your first thought - there's still plenty of great music around although it goes largely unrecognized - but not your second. X Factor after-purchases generally extend to the winners single and not beyond. Follow the trend of the vast majority of the winners - so many have 1 #1 single, then a steep decline, many not even making it to album 2.
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Old 14-12-2011, 13:56
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The title is a bit dramatic!

Theres still good music, you've just got to look a bit harder to find it.
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Old 14-12-2011, 13:57
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The title is a bit dramatic!

Theres still good music, you've just got to look a bit harder to find it.
That's fine for now from a consumer standpoint but many established bands and up and comers are finding their work so buried and their sales so low that its not a sustainable way to make a living anymore.
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Old 14-12-2011, 14:17
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Like a previous poster said, it is up to the public whether they buy the winner's single (or any single from contestants) or not.

So in theory, it's the public who are ruining music.
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