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Old 15-12-2011, 23:03
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Simon Cowell has filled one judging vacancy - Howard Stern is taking over from Piers Morgan on America's Got Talent. Tbh, when the rumours first surfaced I thought there was no way it would happen especially given the lack of ambition in previous appointments (Howie Mandel?!). But it's now confirmed. The show moves to New York and he's in for a massive payday as well. It should bring some more media attention to the show which is quite low profile considering it delivers fairly good numbers (a 3.3 average last summer, it's best cycle ever according to NBC). Despite his own age, Stern has youth appeal so he might help on that front as well. Sharon Osbourne and Howie Mandel are expected to return. Nick Cannon will host again.

NBC Press Release

FOX, NBC and CBS have all renewed their NFL deals through until 2022 (a record breaking extension). They'll rotate The Superbowl and NBC retain Sunday Night Football. ESPN have Monday cable rights until 2021.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...ytheNumbers%29

The top 15 cable series in 2011:

1. Jersey Shore (MTV) - 6,568,000 (adults 18-49)
2. The Walking Dead (AMC) - 6,039,000
3. Sons of Anarchy (FX) - 3,636,000
4. Pawn Stars (History) - 3,623,000
5. The Game (BET) - 3,433,000

6. Teen Mom (MTV) - 3,432,000
7. Tosh.O (Com Cen) - 3,337,000
8. Falling Skies (TNT) - 3,285,000
9. Keeping Up With The Kardashians (E) - 3,059,000
10. American Horror Story (FX) - 3,015,000

11. Deadliest Catch (DISC) - 2,852,000
12. Suits (USA) - 2,824,000
13. Storage Wars (A&E) - 2,771,000
14. South Park (ComCen) - 2,737,000
15. Royal Pains (USA) - 2,651,000

The list is for basic cable entertainment only. So ESPN's Monday Night Football (which would easily top the list) isn't included. True Blood on HBO isn't either - I think it would be behind The Walking Dead but ahead of Sons of Anarchy.

A pretty even split - 5 scripted and 5 unscripted in the top 10. 8 scripted and 7 unscripted when you extend it to the top 15.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...ytheNumbers%29

Also worth a mention - some much needed good news for Endemol and NBC. Fear Factor was back on Monday and it hit a 3.4 rating for the 2 hour broadcast. A pretty good performance although The Sing Off was doing ~3.0's there last year and halved when thrown into a weekly slot against DWTS. Once again, NBC seems to be mopping up the DWTS audience in December - ABC's gameshow "You Deserve It" continues to flop, posting a 0.9 on Monday.
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Old 15-12-2011, 23:14
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Originally Posted by sn_22
I don't think there's any way it can be hurt by the move. It's numbers aren't going to be any worse at 9.30 than they would be at 10.35 - no matter how badly The Royal Bodyguard might flop. Even if it did struggle to take the 4m+ considered acceptable for the slot (and I think it'll make that easily) then the BBC would simply move it elsewhere for the already commissioned third series. There's plenty to gain and not all that much to lose.
Oh, in ratings I'm sure it'll be fine - but I worry it'll either be toned down for the slot or attract unwanted attention from idiots who read the Daily Mail.
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Old 15-12-2011, 23:37
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New Thread and just before Christmas too.

NFL is probably the most lucrative ratings puller in the US and it's unsurprisng CBS, FOX, ESPN and NBC are willing to pay more to keep the rights although both CBS and NBC got sweeteners for renewing, NBC has the Thanksgiving game while CBS will get to air some NFC Games. Does anyone know why ESPN doesn't have the Superbowl, they paid the most for MNF games and somehow it doesn't seem fair they don't get a shot to air the Superbowl.
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Old 15-12-2011, 23:59
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From the last thread
6:30pm: 5 News at 6:30
If this is permanent there may be some sense. Once the Aussie soaps return Home and Away will offer a far better lead in than OK TV. So even allowing for the ITV News clash, ratings may increase, slightly, compared to 7pm. And then it allows 7pm to be used for hour long programming, which is perhaps the key reason for the move
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Old 16-12-2011, 00:39
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New Thread and just before Christmas too.

NFL is probably the most lucrative ratings puller in the US and it's unsurprisng CBS, FOX, ESPN and NBC are willing to pay more to keep the rights although both CBS and NBC got sweeteners for renewing, NBC has the Thanksgiving game while CBS will get to air some NFC Games. Does anyone know why ESPN doesn't have the Superbowl, they paid the most for MNF games and somehow it doesn't seem fair they don't get a shot to air the Superbowl.
The NFL want it on one of the big 4. AFAIK, even with Monday Night Football matches, they're always broadcast live in the local markets on one of the broadcast networks.
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Old 16-12-2011, 00:52
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Back to Wednesday and The Royal Variety seemed to struggle; Channel 4 took a slight dip as well and BBC One had one of it's poorest nights in a very long while - yet still held up better than ITV1 does on a normal Tuesday! Channel 5 had a good night with the football and MasterChef did very well for BBC Two.
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Old 16-12-2011, 00:53
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The NFL want it on one of the big 4. AFAIK, even with Monday Night Football matches, they're always broadcast live in the local markets on one of the broadcast networks.
Makes sense, IIRC Disney moved MNF from ABC to ESPN as it was losing money on ABC whereas ESPN charges quite high subscriber fees from cable providers as well as high ad rates.
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Old 16-12-2011, 09:15
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From the last thread

If this is permanent there may be some sense. Once the Aussie soaps return Home and Away will offer a far better lead in than OK TV. So even allowing for the ITV News clash, ratings may increase, slightly, compared to 7pm. And then it allows 7pm to be used for hour long programming, which is perhaps the key reason for the move
Yes. It will be easier to beat Channel 4 in primetime too during CBB season with the news out of the way.
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Old 16-12-2011, 09:52
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I don't know what anyone else was expecting but i've always thought The Royal Bodyguard looked like being a total pile of crap, they should be putting it on Wednesday at 8.30.
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Old 16-12-2011, 10:05
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The Daily Mirror has the 1976 Christmas day schedule, and people complain about nowadays
3PM Queens Speech
3.15PM Billy smarts circus (would probably be banned today)
4.15PM Film. Oliver (Not exactly new even then)
6.35PM News
6.45PM Bruce Forsyth and the Generation Game
7.45 Morcambe and Wis Christmas Show (probably the only good thing all day
8.45PM Film Airport (From 1970 if I remember rightly)
11.00PM Parkinsons Magic Show (Goood Grief)

And they say nowadays is unimaginative.

They also have the 1936 Christmas day version.
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Old 16-12-2011, 10:17
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Oh another thread
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Old 16-12-2011, 10:18
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4.15PM Film. Oliver (Not exactly new even then)
In those days big films like Oliver, The Sound of Music and Mary Poppins took many years to come to TV.

With no cinema alternative they were a big treat.
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Old 16-12-2011, 10:35
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The Daily Mirror has the 1976 Christmas day schedule, and people complain about nowadays
3PM Queens Speech
3.15PM Billy smarts circus (would probably be banned today)
4.15PM Film. Oliver (Not exactly new even then)
6.35PM News
6.45PM Bruce Forsyth and the Generation Game
7.45 Morcambe and Wis Christmas Show (probably the only good thing all day
8.45PM Film Airport (From 1970 if I remember rightly)
11.00PM Parkinsons Magic Show (Goood Grief)

And they say nowadays is unimaginative.

They also have the 1936 Christmas day version.
I think that was the first time they showed Oliver. It was a big event when I was a child. Films took far longer to reach television as the advent of video was still a few years away.
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Old 16-12-2011, 10:54
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I think that was the first time they showed Oliver. It was a big event when I was a child. Films took far longer to reach television as the advent of video was still a few years away.
If thats the case then the Airport film would have been on for the first time since its only 6 years old at the time, films obviosly better than I thought.
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Old 16-12-2011, 10:58
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The Daily Mirror has the 1976 Christmas day schedule, and people complain about nowadays
3PM Queens Speech
3.15PM Billy smarts circus (would probably be banned today)
4.15PM Film. Oliver (Not exactly new even then)
6.35PM News
6.45PM Bruce Forsyth and the Generation Game
7.45 Morcambe and Wis Christmas Show (probably the only good thing all day
8.45PM Film Airport (From 1970 if I remember rightly)
11.00PM Parkinsons Magic Show (Goood Grief)

And they say nowadays is unimaginative.

They also have the 1936 Christmas day version.
Its easy to say looking back 35 years that its unimaginative. But these programmes catered to the taste of the viewers of the day - most of whom hadnt seen these films previously.
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Old 16-12-2011, 11:00
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Last nights Crimewatch rating must be a record low for that programme - under 3M

8pm The Manor Reborn 2.22m (9.1%)
9pm Crimewatch 2.91m (12.5%)
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Old 16-12-2011, 11:03
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DS has updated. All the soaps were very close last night. EE with 7.9m, Corrie (7.8m) and Emmerdale at 8pm had 7.6m. So just 0.3m between all three. Some very poor figures there and the only thing it highlights to me is how well Emmerdale is doing right now. Its very consistent all week, whereas EE and Corrie and very up and down. Without You lost more of its audience than I expected but 5m+ inc. +1 is still a respectable rating. This Is England ended with just 1m viewers. It's very compelling but very depressing at the same time and maybe viewers don't want to watch this sort of show at this time of year.
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Old 16-12-2011, 11:09
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Last nights Crimewatch rating must be a record low for that programme - under 3M

8pm The Manor Reborn 2.22m (9.1%)
9pm Crimewatch 2.91m (12.5%)
That's the lowest I've ever seen Crimewatch. Did lots of people go out last night? Everything seems down.
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Old 16-12-2011, 11:10
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Its easy to say looking back 35 years that its unimaginative. But these programmes catered to the taste of the viewers of the day - most of whom hadnt seen these films previously.
It may be wrong, but I read on another thread that Marry Poppins had its UK TV premiere on BBC1 Christmas Day 1984, 20 years after its release!!
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Old 16-12-2011, 11:17
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This Is England ended with just 1m viewers. It's very compelling but very depressing at the same time and maybe viewers don't want to watch this sort of show at this time of year.
I think it will get a decent timeshift, I have it all recorded as I was out Tuesday night and had visitors yesterday. So will watch it in one go at the weekend or early next week. The worst thing about not watching it Live is you miss out all the discussion on here.

Chronic rating for BBC1!! Anyone know how the Masterchef final did?
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Old 16-12-2011, 11:33
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Channel 4 (inc +1)

18.00 - The Simpsons - 1.9m
20.00 - Grand Design - 1.57m
21.00 - Living With The Amish - 1.78m
22.00 - England 88 - 1.26m

E4 (inc +1)

19.00 - Hollyoaks - 590k
20.00 - Big Bang Theory - 1.1m (Who said they need Friends!)
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Old 16-12-2011, 11:33
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It may be wrong, but I read on another thread that Marry Poppins had its UK TV premiere on BBC1 Christmas Day 1984, 20 years after its release!!
Yeah, hard to explain to young uns, without sounding like Grandpa Simpson, about how films, particularly succesful ones, stayed in Cinemas for decades. It was still a big event when they first came on Terrestrials.
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Old 16-12-2011, 11:39
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It may be wrong, but I read on another thread that Marry Poppins had its UK TV premiere on BBC1 Christmas Day 1984, 20 years after its release!!
I believe you are correct. Film premieres on television often didnt happen for a number of years and were very big news for the two main channels back then and were real event television guaranteed to get big audiences.
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Old 16-12-2011, 11:42
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Yeah, hard to explain to young uns, without sounding like Grandpa Simpson, about how films, particularly succesful ones, stayed in Cinemas for decades. It was still a big event when they first came on Terrestrials.
It is also why films like Gone With The Wind made so much money in its day. The studio would release the film every few years in cinemas. Then they would have double bills of films and still get big audiences. Television had to wait years and sometimes decades before they got their hands on a blockbuster movie.
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Old 16-12-2011, 11:59
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Poor Thursday night ratings, particularly for BBC1 - although even on the ITV-favoured definition of "primetime", the difference was only 22% vs 17%, surprising considering BBC1's 2.2m and 2.9m flops.

I guess Crimewatch wasn't particularly the sort of thing folk want to watch on a Thursday night close to Christmas, and it had an appalling lead in too. I do wonder if Crimewatch really has much value in this news media/internet age - it was groundbreaking, relevant and important 30 years ago, and I do question its value now. Certainly in a prime time slot on BBC1, which I wonder if it really merits?

Rev seems to be building slightly again, deservedly so, and Frank Skinner is doing ok. Can't see why Skinner's show can't go out on BBC1. He was a ratings banker with his chat show on BBC1, which was also a success on ITV too - a rare example of a show/performer switching to ITV seamlessly in terms of quality and ratings.

And he appears on BBC1's Consider Yourself trailer as well. (I still don't know why)
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