The Ratings Thread (Part 29)

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wizzywick

03-01-2012

Originally Posted by dan2008:
“That would work i think....I can watch the Voice knowing it's got nothing todo with Mr Fake Cowell

The Voice & EastEnders running most nights will ensure BBC1 has a great xmas and that's even before you take into account Strictly Final & xmas special,Dr who and all the other specials”

Yes, if ITV repeat the schedule as this Christmas and in 2012 it's:

6.00pm Emmerdale
7.00 All Star family Fortunes
8.00 Corrie
9.00 DA

then BBC1 could do this:

3.10 Film: Up!
4.45 BBC news
5.00 Film: Christmas Carol
6.30 Doctor Who
7.30 EastEnders
8.00 The Celebrity Voice at Christmas
9.00 EastEnders
9.30 The Royle Family
10.30 Michael Mcintyre

What a brill line up that would be, and seriously, would ITV be able to beat it?

sstripling

03-01-2012

Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“I didn't get round to posting earlier about the Downton/EastEnders business.

My take on it:

1 - I'm not going to change my mind (yet...) on reporting methodology. Downton won, fair and square. I'm sure EE would have been in front without the BBC3 repeat getting nearly a million. That repeat showing is damaging EE's first showing reported ratings all year round, but that's what the BBC has decided to do, and it has cost them the no 1 slot (narrowly) on Xmas Day, and a higher placing for EE in the year's chart (and crucially behind Coro St)

2 - that said, I do have some qualms about calling DA as the "Xmas Day victor" when it was soundly beaten in "on the night viewing"; on both overnight ratings and including consolidated and same night repeats for both shows, EE came out top; it was such a sensational DA timeshift (30% of the entire audience didn't watch on the night) that it sticks in the throat a little to proclaim it the winner when it clearly lost on the overnights and shifted so massively that the signal to ITV Centre is that one third of the loyal DA audience did not want to watch it on Christmas Day - and how many more didn't watch at all?

3 - but it is an unusual ratings quirk; I think a case can honourably be made for saying EE was top show, likewise ITV will surely shout from the rooftops that DA won. I have to say, I do favour ITV on this occasion, much as I don't want to have to admit that

4 - in the scheme of things it doesn't really matter; ITV has had top Christmas Day show with Coro St at least twice in the past 15 years; more if you go back further. It happens now and then every decade or so and the sky hasn't fallen in or the BBC self combusted in trauma; it also has no bearing whatsoever on placings in the Top 20 Shows of 2011 - neither EE nor DA got its largest 2011 audience on Christmas Night so nothing turns on it

So a slightly grudging well done from me to DA and ITV.

Just don't do it again.... ”

Well Kudos to you for being fair for once.

At the end of the day I think as you say, both won. Eastenders on overnights and DA on official's. Both the BBC & ITV should be appluaded for showing Christmas telly isn't quite dead yet

Samthefootball

03-01-2012

Originally Posted by Score:
“So, the BGT line-up rumoured earlier is confirmed, and all 4 judges are indeed doing the whole run. Good news I think. Cowell seems pretty serious about giving the show a revamp. The prize money is being boosted to £500k, 4 judges instead of 3 and it sounds like they're doing some sort of open audition on the 22nd. I wonder if they'll make any changes to the later stages of the show too? Cowell is making noises in the press release about it feeling younger and fresher, and wanting to find different acts. I get the feeling he knows he's taken his eyes off the ball a bit with his UK shows and wants to get them back on track. They're clearly going for the whole 'big year for Britain' thing too which may help a bit.

I can see BGT doing well this year. I think it'll increase on last year's ratings. Not to 2009 levels, but if they give it a decent overhaul, as it sounds like they plan on doing, then I think it could increase by 5% or perhaps even 10% on last year to make it BGT's second highest rating series. I just hope they sort out the scheduling for the live shows, rather than sticking with what they've done for the last 2 years, which has cost the show a bit.”

Good news for ITV then. I wonder if Cowell will return for X Factor to or maybe do the Live shows like he did with BGT last year

wizzywick

03-01-2012

Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“I'd be utterly amazed if a Celebrity version of The Voice happened. John de Mol seems to be controlling the use of the format pretty tightly and given the public line on it I'm not convinced he'd be willing to consent to a celebrity version. Beyond that it just wouldn't work plus it would conflict with Strictly Come Dancing which isn't going to be changing its schedule next year. Having said that if The Voice is a success then I could see them bringing the launch of series two forward to add some more punch to the New Year schedule.

I think its perhaps more likely that (after the surprise success of Comedy Roadshow this time around) we might see some kind of all star comedy variety show in prime time over the Christmas period. In fact I'd be tempted to try that at 8PM in place of a Strictly Christmas Special.”

The BBC were granted the rights to the Voice over ITV even though ITV offered more money, because John De Mol was "impressed with the BBC's ideas and visions for the show which could strengthen the brand in the long run". Hence the BBC were given the format for 2 years.

AlexiR

03-01-2012

Originally Posted by Score:
“I can see BGT doing well this year. I think it'll increase on last year's ratings. Not to 2009 levels, but if they give it a decent overhaul, as it sounds like they plan on doing, then I think it could increase by 5% or perhaps even 10% on last year to make it BGT's second highest rating series. I just hope they sort out the scheduling for the live shows, rather than sticking with what they've done for the last 2 years, which has cost the show a bit.”

Bit of a tricky one this. Hard to know how the show is going to do until we see the judges in action and the quality of the acts. It could all go horribly wrong. Although I'd be surprised if it didn't at least start strong.

Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“Oh, and ask Cash and Aherne to write the special now and film it in April. Just to be on the safe side... ”

Or tell them not to bother at all. That would be preferable.

AlexiR

03-01-2012

Originally Posted by Samthefootball:
“Good news for ITV then. I wonder if Cowell will return for X Factor to or maybe do the Live shows like he did with BGT last year”

He won't. Fox won't let him.

Samthefootball

03-01-2012

Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“He won't. Fox won't let him.”

Why won't Fox let him?

Score

03-01-2012

Originally Posted by Samthefootball:
“Good news for ITV then. I wonder if Cowell will return for X Factor to or maybe do the Live shows like he did with BGT last year”

I doubt he will, the timings just don't work out, as neither FOX or ITV will be moving the show any time soon. They'll just have to find somebody else (or give Gary another go). BGT is different as it doesn't clash with any of his US commitments.

Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“Bit of a tricky one this. Hard to know how the show is going to do until we see the judges in action and the quality of the acts. It could all go horribly wrong. Although I'd be surprised if it didn't at least start strong.”

True, although it certainly looks good on paper. It all depends on the acts that walk through the door, and my post was just a very early prediction.

AlexiR

03-01-2012

Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“The BBC were granted the rights to the Voice over ITV even though ITV offered more money, because John De Mol was "impressed with the BBC's ideas and visions for the show which could strengthen the brand in the long run". Hence the BBC were given the format for 2 years.”

Which doesn't give them free reign to make a celebrity version - which again doesn't really work with the format anyway and clashes with Strictly Come Dancing (the way you're scheduling it anyway). Not to mention the fact that there'd be no quicker way for the BBC to kill off their new credible singing contest than to launch a celebrity version. Plus celebrity singing shows are awful. Really awful. I'm not convinced anyone would want to watch it.

If they're going to experiment with new stuff on Christmas Day then I think some kind of all star variety show is probably the safer bet. Stick a lot of big names in it and you should attract a decent audience relatively easy.

dan2008

03-01-2012

Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Yes, if ITV repeat the schedule as this Christmas and in 2012 it's:

6.00pm Emmerdale
7.00 All Star family Fortunes
8.00 Corrie
9.00 DA

then BBC1 could do this:

3.10 Film: Up!
4.45 BBC news
5.00 Film: Christmas Carol
6.30 Doctor Who
7.30 EastEnders
8.00 The Celebrity Voice at Christmas
9.00 EastEnders
9.30 The Royle Family
10.30 Michael Mcintyre

What a brill line up that would be, and seriously, would ITV be able to beat it?”

A Bit Of something for everyone...Id still add in Strictly but that's a winning BBC1 line up and something for all ages

I would get rid of the 7:30pM EastEnders and maybe kick off the evening with it at 6 and then a 2nd episode at 9

AlexiR

03-01-2012

Originally Posted by Samthefootball:
“Why won't Fox let him?”

Because they're paying him vast sums of money for the US version of the show and will expect him to devote his time to making that a hit and not trying to 'save' the UK version. The reason he left the UK version this time around is because Fox wanted him focused on the US version and given how that's performed this season that won't have changed. Cowell himself has even said that his primary focus is fixing the US version (because that's where the money is).

Samthefootball

03-01-2012

Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“Because they're paying him vast sums of money for the US version of the show and will expect him to devote his time to making that a hit and not trying to 'save' the UK version. The reason he left the UK version this time around is because Fox wanted him focused on the US version and given how that's performed this season that won't have changed. Cowell himself has even said that his primary focus is fixing the US version (because that's where the money is).”

i don't really understand that though because won't ITV be expecting him to make 2012's show a hit just like Fox.

but if what you say is true how will ITV/Syco make the UK series a hit without him on board?

LemonadeMan

03-01-2012

FAR too many pages to get through but what was Downton's timeshift in the end?

Cent

03-01-2012

Originally Posted by Samthefootball:
“i don't really understand that though because won't ITV be expecting him to make 2012's show a hit just like Fox.

but if what you say is true how will ITV/Syco make the UK series a hit without him on board?”

Fox pay him at least ten times more than ITV do though.

Fudd

03-01-2012

I have the feeling Simon's return to Britain's Got Talent is his way of trying to appease ITV1 after last autumn. Even though there were those headlines about ITV1 ordering his return to The X Factor that was never going to happen.

Andy Parish

03-01-2012

Originally Posted by LemonadeMan:
“FAR too many pages to get through but what was Downton's timeshift in the end?”

+3.47m

Downton Abbey - 11.60m (34.4%) [+1: 513k]

grahamzxy

03-01-2012

Originally Posted by LemonadeMan:
“FAR too many pages to get through but what was Downton's timeshift in the end?”

3.47m which was a record as far as we can tell.

LemonadeMan

03-01-2012

Originally Posted by Andy Parish:
“+3.47m

Downton Abbey - 11.60m (34.4%) [+1: 513k]”

Originally Posted by grahamzxy:
“3.47m which was a record as far as we can tell.”

Thanks guys! Wow. That's a bit of a turn-up for the books! I expected a decent timeshift but that's fantastic.

Cent

03-01-2012

I wonder Channel 4's thinking with these new vidiprinter style advert breaks during The Bank Job?

Presumably they feel people are more likely to watch the adverts if they remain engaged during the ads?

AlexiR

03-01-2012

As noted Fox is paying Cowell significantly more than ITV can afford to and money talks. Beyond that Fox brought The X Factor purely because it was Simon Cowell's show and they were convinced it would be a massive hit. It wasn't and now Cowell needs to fix that if only to repair his reputation in the US which has been dented recently to say the least. In addition to that The X Factor is already an established brand in the UK and in theory it doesn't need Simon Cowell to be a hit. And I think that theory's sound if they can find a panel with charisma which they didn't do this time around. In contrast the US version probably needs Cowell to gain traction at this point.

Originally Posted by Cent:
“Fox pay him at least ten times more than ITV do though.”

It isn't just what they pay him. The license fee for the show in the US will be significantly higher I imagine and certainly has the potential to dwarf what the show can earn in the UK. In addition to that launching an act in the US is worth infinitely more to Cowell (and Sony) than launching an act in the UK. There's just more money in the US version across the board. Assuming they can get it right.

Originally Posted by Fudd:
“I have the feeling Simon's return to Britain's Got Talent is his way of trying to appease ITV1 after last autumn. Even though there were those headlines about ITV1 ordering his return to The X Factor that was never going to happen.”

I'm inclined to agree. The BBC securing the rights to The Voice won't have hurt either. He'll be looking to over shadow The Voice and try and kill it off before it arrives which is why I'm so surprised the announcement of the new panel has been so spectacularly bungled by ITV.

grimshaw

03-01-2012

Originally Posted by Newcastle:
“Yes, absolutely ludicrous.

around 80% of viewers fast forward over the ad breaks in the time-shifted viewing stream.
http://www.attentional.com/farid-el-...-downton-abbey

As for ad breaks, even in the 17% of viewing that is time-shifted, viewers with a DTR still watch 30% of ad breaks at normal speed
http://www.thinkbox.tv/server/show/nav.898

Kind of getting away from the point though.”

I know you don't have the answer to this. But it has to be said...wwwwhhhhhyyyyyy?????

On the 'Christmas Voice' - ITV don't do a 'Christmas X Factor' do they? No. BBC should chuck the reality format from Christmas Day. Strictly is a black hole that can be filled rather easily. No doubt we'll have a Miranda Christmas special (EE Part 1 8:00, Miranda 8:30, EE Part 2 9:00 (?)) or something.

Basically fill the void with two half hour shows, not ANOTHER reality show. It doesn't fit christmas!

grimshaw

03-01-2012

Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“I'm inclined to agree. The BBC securing the rights to The Voice won't have hurt either. He'll be looking to over shadow The Voice and try and kill it off before it arrives which is why I'm so surprised the announcement of the new panel has been so spectacularly bungled by ITV.”

Who knows. You'd think they'd stagger it. Atm I think the big thing is Dixon is coming (which is frankly no turn on), with no one really knowing about Cowell (or caring??)
Unless their planning on dropping her? Its a Cowell trope by now.

DOI as well - I know its a shit line up - but still, least get the name in the papers.

C14E

03-01-2012

My head hurts from reading the last few pages! I was only out for a few hours!

At least Robbie has conceded Christmas Day. For a few pages it seemed that some of those who wouldn't usually want +1 included suddenly thought it was worth considering same day repeats!

Originally Posted by Joe40:
“Official from Alesha Dixon's website...
"Alesha has decided not to return to Strictly Come Dancing after a successful three-series run and will instead be joining the Britain's Got Talent panel, alongside Simon Cowell, Amanda Holden and David Walliams."

To try and keep this ratings-related, wasn't Kelly Brook sacked after less than a week from BGT because Simon Cowell said that 4 judges on that show didn't work? So if that was the case then, why should the British public be asked to believe that it would work now?
2009: Amanda Holden “Kelly’s a lovely girl, but it doesn’t work with four people, it doesn’t. Because when you get two buzzes, and then two non-buzzes, Ant and Dec and everyone was going, ‘What does that mean?’…and it was so ridiculously confusing.
Piers Morgan "Kelly was a nice girl, and a good laugh, and doesn’t deserve the bitchy comments she has been getting. But as you’ll see, having a fourth judge just all seemed a bit weird.”

(Quotes from the website unrealitytv)”

She was very well connected. That's most likely how she got the job in the first place - Cowell spends every Christmas in Barbados as does Brook's manager, Jonathan Shalit. He famously (or infamously) got home from his holiday and suddenly decided she was going to be a judge (which put Ant & Dec's noses out of joint!) Her PR is Hackford Jones whose founder, Simon Jones, is PR Consultant to Syco Music and does loads of work for the company. So when it didn't work out, they protected her (or at least tried to).

FOX signed their contract first. And for a variety of reasons (including, but not limited to, "more money") it's going to be a priority for him. Based on what he said at first, I don't think there is any specific contractual block to him doing X Factor UK. But on a practical level, it's just not possible.

ftv

03-01-2012

Originally Posted by grimshaw:
“I know you don't have the answer to this. But it has to be said...wwwwhhhhhyyyyyy?????

On the 'Christmas Voice' - ITV don't do a 'Christmas X Factor' do they? No. BBC should chuck the reality format from Christmas Day. Strictly is a black hole that can be filled rather easily. No doubt we'll have a Miranda Christmas special (EE Part 1 8:00, Miranda 8:30, EE Part 2 9:00 (?)) or something.

Basically fill the void with two half hour shows, not ANOTHER reality show. It doesn't fit christmas!”

And the BBC have confirmed there will be a Royle Family Xmas special this year.Danny Cohen is going to stand over Caroline as she writes the script

grahamzxy

03-01-2012

Quote:
“My estimates for Monday
BBC1
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull 5.0m
EastEnders 9.1m
EastEnders: Farewell Pat 4.7m
The Royal Bodyguard 5.2m
Mrs Brown's Boys 6.0m
News 5.5m
Match of the Day 4.5m
ITV1
Emmerdale 6.9m
Coronation Street 8.8m
Cornwall with Caroline Quentin 3.7m
Coronation Street 8.9m
Endeavour 5.5m”

ITV1 ought win the evening, but should be a few ok ratings for BBC1 also. I may be as much as 1m down on Endeavour, but expect the other ratings to be pretty much on the money. Having said that, the more I look I can see that I may have gone 15% too high on BBC1 - post EastEnders, fingers crossed I am right though.

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