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The Ratings Thread (Part 29)
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GeorgeS
04-01-2012
Originally Posted by James J:
“Guys, what the actual ...

I posted a few days ago and can't be arsed to keep going back in time to find the post! This thread is literally too big now, does anyone have some method to go to the last post you read after you get off the thread?

Wasn't too surprised "Downturn Abbey" had such a phenomenal timeshift; I did prophesy 2m+ a few days ago, but the thread imploded so much along with this, and the Alesha Dixon Jumps Strictly Sinking Ship furore that I simply cannot find the post any more to gloat!

On a serious note though, this community is outgrowing the thread. I read the thread nearly every day, despite not having much time to contribute as much as I used to. But I miss so much due to the constraints of the thread format. The growth is insane!

I almost feel as though the community now deserves a Ratings (sub)forum.

Imagine the possibilities: overnights could be posted in separate threads, and discussed separately to ongoing discussions; those of us who enjoy posting opinion pieces, or analyses, would be free to make threads; those who feel their voice is lost could find a voice; and it would allow for a greater depth of discussion, in that the display of the topics would allow people space to breathe.

Maybe I'm ahead of myself, and it's probably been suggested before (and I probably missed it! ), but I think the community is so large and fast moving now that it deserves more than a thread.

The thread started properly in January 2007 and look at the growth per year:

2007 - 1 thread
2008 - 2 threads [+100% yoy]
2009 - 3 threads [+50% yoy]
2010 - 9 threads [+200% yoy]
2011 - 14 threads [+55% yoy]

Despite the amount of threads plateauing, not all threads had the same number of posts... some had up to 9000 posts per thread! So this data is not enough.

I did a quick maths sum on the past threads (and this doesn't include a couple I couldn't find on the board) and the total number of posts since 2007 is over 100,000!. I'm sure someone better than me at figures could generate some fascinating statistics with this data, and certainly data to support a forum being considered! We haven't even talked about the number of VIEWS each thread has, or the number of lurkers (who could potentially be contributors on a Ratings forum!)

While not the giant of say soaps or the UK TV forum, compare to Broadband Internet forum - that has 167,000 posts, which is about equal. The comics forum has just 3000 posts in 259 threads! I think we may just be too big for a thread now...

I think many posts in this thread are beyond valuable. rzt, D.M.N. and others contribute brilliant posts, while many, many others offer interesting, insightful opinion (even if we don't all agree! )

There are so many characters and great posters and it's now getting impossible to keep up. I'm missing posts. I'm missing pages. Tens of them. In days, it seems! I want to catch up - but it's too hard!

Maybe the community is nicer smaller, and growing it would be hard and a big change. Maybe that's why DS haven't done it.

But I thought I'd put it out there and see what people think. I think we're much more than a thread, and the community has a big future, potentially as a sub forum or even main forum on the forum homepage! ”

some very good ideas here. Since going back to work its hard to read the thread due to the volume of postings.
trickytree1979
04-01-2012
Originally Posted by Andy Parish:
“A tiny amount? You sure about that?

- EastEnders added an extra 2.4 million viewers to its 03.05.11 episode giving it a total of 11.02 million viewers.

- The Apprentice increased its viewers from an overnight figure of 7.45 million to a Live +7 total of 10.15 million viewers for the episode broadcast on 25.05.11

- A total of 9.9 million viewers consumed the episode of Doctor Who broadcast on 14.05.11 (Consolidated figure: 7.97m)

- On BBC Three Russell Howard's Good News remained hugely popular with its audience tripling from an overnight figure of 1 million to a Live +7 total of 3.5 million.

- BBC Three's long-running comedy Two Pints Of Lager remains hugely popular with audiences increasing from 548,000 to 2.5 million when Live +7 is added in, an increase of 360%

BARB have always been behind with the times, It took them 5 years to incorporate VCR timeshift! Additional viewing (via PC/laptop/tablet) should have been tried/tested and implemented 12 months ago.

”

It's all well and good choosing specific shows to prove a point. The facts are nearly all studies suggest online television viewing sums to an additional 1-2% of total TV. Additionally, you take the iplayer stats as fact? Do they exclude all iplayer viewing on virgin, bt vision, ps3, connected TVs etc, all of which are already included in BARBs measurement!
To take my rant further, you suggest its a simple thing to extend measurement, not something that costs millions of pounds. Yes, you're right, BARB didn't measure VCRs until 1991, most other counties are only now just including time shift so what you'll find is BARB is in fact ahead of the game.
Lastly, and I realise I'm on my hobby horse again. BARB is about doing things properly, due diligence, thorough. They're not about throwing some numbers together and assuming its right.
.....let's get something straight are you saying for two packets of crisps that only 548,000 people watches on tv and the rest of the 2.5m online? You do realise that in live+7 the add up all the narrative repeats in the week.....which of course comes from.....wait for it.....BARB!
RobbieSykes123
04-01-2012
l suspect the number of posts will subside now Christmas and the SCD/TXF periods are out of the way. With some bleak midwinter schedules coming up, there won't be much for us to get excited about for a while.

Unless it snows....
D.M.N.
04-01-2012
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“l suspect the number of posts will subside now Christmas and the SCD/TXF periods are out of the way. With some bleak midwinter schedules coming up, there won't be much for us to get excited about for a while.

Unless it snows.... ”

Which, looking at Cardiff, Birmingham, London and Manchester to pick 4 places isn't happening anytime soon:

- http://uk.weather.com/weather/10day-London-UKXX0085
- http://uk.weather.com/weather/10day-Cardiff-UKXX0030
- http://uk.weather.com/weather/10day-Birmingham-UKXX0018
- http://uk.weather.com/weather/10day-Manchester-UKXX0092
rzt
04-01-2012
BBC2 wins the 9pm slot with doc on King George and Queen Mary, beating BBC1's Stephen Lawrence special and ITV1's Biggest Loser.

Source: Jake Kanter
GeorgeS
04-01-2012
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“l suspect the number of posts will subside now Christmas and the SCD/TXF periods are out of the way. With some bleak midwinter schedules coming up, there won't be much for us to get excited about for a while.

Unless it snows.... ”

yes when are you going back to work?
D.M.N.
04-01-2012
Originally Posted by rzt:
“BBC2 wins the 9pm slot with doc on King George and Queen Mary, beating BBC1's Stephen Lawrence special and ITV1's Biggest Loser.

Source: Jake Kanter”

BBC Two either did very well then at 9pm, or all 3 were below 4 million. Bad start for The Biggest Loser it seems, while it is probably not right to comment on the Panorama rating given the subject matter.
RobbieSykes123
04-01-2012
Originally Posted by rzt:
“BBC2 wins the 9pm slot with doc on King George and Queen Mary, beating BBC1's Stephen Lawrence special and ITV1's Biggest Loser.

Source: Jake Kanter”

Wouldn't be surprised if all were sub 3m....
RobbieSykes123
04-01-2012
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“yes when are you going back to work? ”

Yesterday. Quiet week though...
Dancc
04-01-2012
Early indications suggest a very quiet night then. Back to work effect maybe as well as uninspired programming.
D.M.N.
04-01-2012
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“Wouldn't be surprised if all were sub 3m....”

The last time the slot winner in the 9pm hour was under 3m was Eurovision - Your Country Needs You.... March 2010 I think that was?
RobbieSykes123
04-01-2012
Originally Posted by grahamzxy:
“Of course ITV1 took the 10.35pm timeslot for the Stephen Lawrence programme, so BBC1 naturally used the 9pm timeslot , pretty poor if both channels were airing similar (ie competing) programmes at the same time.

I will be surprised if Mamma Mia! rates 4m plus tomorrow, (the premiere did 5.66min April), just to remind people that The Biggest Loser launched with a lowly 3.60m (13.6%) on January 10th 2011 - I think the final episode (8) was the only one to beat 4m in the overnights. A BBC1 drama launching to 3m seems impossible to happen, and I think the chances of Public Enemies rating less than 4m is around 100/1.

I would like to request that everyone who reads this - choose your winner for Wednesday evening, Mamma Mia! or Public Enemies?”

Mamma Mia will outrate Public Enemies, I am quite sure of that.
ftv
04-01-2012
I suspect the placing of the Panorama special was not helped by what appeared to be chaotic programme planning - first announced for 2000, (with BBC Scotland apparently announcing it at 2100) then 2100, then back to 2000, finally coming to rest at 2100.Extraordinary indecision and baffling for potential viewers.
cylon6
04-01-2012
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“BBC Two either did very well then at 9pm, or all 3 were below 4 million. Bad start for The Biggest Loser it seems, while it is probably not right to comment on the Panorama rating given the subject matter.”

And The Story Of Musicals was over 1m on BBC4!
rzt
04-01-2012
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“And The Story Of Musicals was over 1m on BBC4!”

That's really high for BBC4. Looks like a lot of the usual BBC1 audience switched over to BBC2 and/or BBC4 at 9pm last night. Should've known the monarchy documentary on BBC2 probably would've rated well anyway as there seems to be quite a big number of viewers (by BBC2/C4 standards) interested in this kind of show - C4 had around 3m a couple of months ago for a documentary based on the royal family.
cylon6
04-01-2012
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“Mamma Mia will outrate Public Enemies, I am quite sure of that.”

Public Enemies doesn't look like it'd be a big hit anyway. It comes across as another worthy but dour BBC1 primetime drama. And the fact that BBC2 could do better than The Biggest Loser on ITV1 speaks volumes about that show.

The Biggest Loser is a meh show and I bet The Mystery Of Edwin Drood on BBC2 next week will beat it.
cylon6
04-01-2012
The soap ratings are in. EastEnders is still rating very highly. 9.7m last night.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s2...en-by-97m.html
rzt
04-01-2012
Tuesday 3rd January Overnights
BBC One
13:00- BBC News at One: 3.4m
13:45- Doctors: 1.87m (19.9%)
17:15- Pointless: 3.1m (18%)
18:00- BBC News at Six: 6.0m
19:00- Celebrity Mastermind: 5.23m (22%)
19:30- EastEnders: 9.74m (39.1%)
20:00- Holby City: 5.44m (21.2%)
21:00- Panorama: 2.62m (10.5%)
22:00- BBC News at Ten: 5.3m
22:35- Lee Mack Going Out Live: 2.02m (15.3%)

BBC Two
16:30- Perfection: 1.6m (12%)
18:00- Eggheads: 2.1m (10%)
19:00- Hairy Bikers' Best of British: 2.04m (8.4%)
20:00- Nature's Weirdest Events: 3.83m (14.9%)
21:00- King George and Queen Mary: The Royals Who Rescued the Monarchy: 3.38m (13.6%)
22:00- Have I Got Old News for You: 1.7m (8%)

ITV1
13:30- ITV News and Weather: 1.5m
17:00- The Chase: 2.5m (15%) inc +1
19:00- Emmerdale: 7.50m (31.5%) , +1: 131k (0.5%)
19:30- River Monsters: 2.86m (11.4%) , +1: 124k (0.5%)
20:00- Celebrity Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?: 3.47m (13.5%) , +1: 180k (0.7%)
21:00- The Biggest Loser: 2.8m (11.2%) , +1: 165k (0.9%)

Channel 4
18:30- Hollyoaks: 1.11m (4.9%)
20:00- The Fat Fighters: 1.03m (4%) , +1: 133k (0.5%)
21:00- Accused: The 74-Stone Babysitter: 2.18m (8.7%) , +1: 332k (1.8%)
22:00- The Bank Job: 1.13m (6.1%) , +1: 125k (1.2%)

Channel 5
19:00- Charley Boorman's Extreme Frontiers: 511k (2.1%)
20:00- Cowboy Builders: 1.21m (4.7%)
21:00- XIII: The Conspiracy: 1.07m (5.5%)

Primetime Shares
BBC One: 20.8%
ITV1: 13.7% (+1: 0.5%)
BBC Two: 11.3%
Channel 4: 5.6% (+1: 0.8%)
Channel 5: 4.2%

Ratings include HD, apart from BBC2, and are tape-checked where necessary

Multichannel
BBC Three
22:00- EastEnders: 797k (3.7%)

BBC Four
21:00- The Story of Musicals: 1.0m (4.2%)

BBC News
- daily share: 1.32%

E4
19:00- Hollyoaks: 617k (2.6%)
23:00- Allen Gregory: 38k (0.3%) , +1: 66k (1.1%)

ITV2
21:00- Benidorm: 681k (2.7%)
21:30- Benidorm: 745k (3%)

Sky News
- daily share: 0.70%

Sources: Attentional, C4Sales, DS (1), DS (2), Kevin Bakhurst, Paul Brassey
rzt
04-01-2012
News figures yesterday:

BBC One O'Clock News: 3.4m
ITV 1330: 1.5m
BBC Six O'Clock News: 6.0m
BBC Ten O'Clock News: 5.3m

Source: Kevin Bakhurst
newkid30
04-01-2012
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“BBC Two either did very well then at 9pm, or all 3 were below 4 million. Bad start for The Biggest Loser it seems, while it is probably not right to comment on the Panorama rating given the subject matter.”

Didn't it rate lowly last year too, in the 3-4m range?
cylon6
04-01-2012
I think the most telling thing is not only did BBC2 come out on top at 9pm, their 8pm show beat Who Wants To Be A Millionaire!!

Celebrity Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?: 3.47m (13.5%) , +1: 180k (0.7%)
20:00- Nature's Weirdest Events: 3.83m (14.9%)

How the mighty have fallen!
cylon6
04-01-2012
From Paul Brassey on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/#!/PaulBrassey/s...08973645639681

Celebrity Mastermind 5.4m (23%), WWTBAM 3.6m (14%), Pointless 3.1m (18%), Chase 2.5m (15%), Eggheads 2.1m (10%), Perfection 1.6m (12%), Bank Job 1.3m (7%).
RobbieSykes123
04-01-2012
Astonishing ratings. Surely The Biggest Loser should have capitalised on the BBC going all "Guardian" on us in the 9pm hour? Instead it slumped on last year. What would it have got against BBC1 drama?

And former behemoth Millionaire not only trounced by Holby as usual but beaten by a BBC2 nature doc!
RobbieSykes123
04-01-2012
Anything for Portillo's Railways on monday and yesterday? Seem to recall it returned on the BH Monday last year to a large audience, but it doesn't seem to have been reported this time.
southlad
04-01-2012
Anyone know how Daybreak did yesterday? Also how is C5 doing 6:30 - 7:00 without oktv?
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