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Why I'll be voting for Jason....thanks to Alesha
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Ignazio
16-12-2011
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“"Wrong" in what sense? I can just about see it being "wrong" in the sense that the show always carves out storylines where certain people get better focus than others (like them all yelling about how FUNNY Russell was going to be from the second he turned up, and selling that cannon rubbish as the most hilarious and memorable moment in Strictly history when it got him eliminated), and that's arguably unfair when they all should be on a level playing field. It does feel to me though like it's her honest opinion rather than something she's been sent out to sell, so I'd argue not, but you have to leave the possibility open.

Wrong in any sort of sense of making her unsuitable for her role on the show? No. She's not insulting anyone, or demonstrating personal bias, or anything that would make her unsuitable for the post. She's being asked her opinion of how the public are likely to vote, in a BBC promoted interview, to promote the final, and she's doing it, in an entertaining way designed to grab headlines. That's very much, I would imagine, what she was sent in there to do, and therefore she's actually being very professional. As indeed she was drinking on a show where the host offered her a drink, as much as people got their pants in a bunch about that as well.”

You originally posted:
Quote:
“The actual quote they've lifted isn't any worse than the judges saying repeatedly in the run up to the Series 7 final that Chris was the public's favourite.”

Now the phraseology 'isn't any worse' hardly indicates that such comments from a judge are acceptable.

imo this is a straightforward matter of opinion regarding Alesha's unguarded comments - so I didn't read your whole response - assuming as I did that it's your justification of her unprofessionalism.
Monaogg
16-12-2011
Originally Posted by Vodka_Drinka:
“She's right though, he's not as good as the other two. And had he not done such a good Argentine Tango it would probably have been Holly in the final and not him.”

The week he was in the bottom two he could have quite easily received the fewest public votes and only scraped by due to his leader board position. Also the fact he was called out last in the Semis could also indicate low levels of support. Alex could possibly have come third with the public vote with Jason second so only "just" scraping through by virtue "again" of his leader board position.
Ignazio
16-12-2011
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“The week he was in the bottom two he could have quite easily received the fewest public votes and only scraped by due to his leader board position. Also the fact he was called out last in the Semis could also indicate low levels of support. Alex could possibly have come third with the public vote with Jason second so only "just" scraping through by virtue "again" of his leader board position.”

It's all 'could have.'

The successful couples are called out 'in no particular order,' so the fact that Jason and Kristina were called last means nothing.
Monkseal
16-12-2011
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“You originally posted:

Now the phraseology 'isn't any worse' hardly indicates that such comments from a judge are acceptable.

imo this is a straightforward matter of opinion regarding Alesha's unguarded comments - so I didn't read your whole response - assuming as I did that it's your justification of her unprofessionalism.”

Fair enough. I'm not about to enter into any sort of discussion with anyone unwilling to even bother to read what I'm saying.
laineythenomad
16-12-2011
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“Honestly if you want to vote to support Jason go ahead, it's your prerogative and you have all the right to do so, but don't use this as some sort of a crusade to get others to vote for Jason as well. People will vote for whoever they like the most on the actual final.”

Pardon? Where, in any of my posts, do I urge others to vote for Jason? Please read the thread title again, I think you'll find it says "Why I'LL be voting for Jason...." not "Why everyone should vote for Jason" (yes, I can do patronising as well). You're obviously not as "observant" as your username implies.
mindyann
16-12-2011
Originally Posted by footygirl:
“But isn't it unprofessional that she has let slip how the public are voting. All she had to do is say something like I really can't call it as they are so good. That would have been the smart answer”

But she hasn't let anything slip - anyone with an idea of how the scoring system can work out at on at least one week Jason had to have scored less in the public vote than Harry.
Monaogg
16-12-2011
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“It's all 'could have.'

The successful couples are called out 'in no particular order,' so the fact that Jason and Kristina were called last means nothing.”

In effect last week there was a bottom three, so not "no particular order".
Sallyforth
16-12-2011
Guys!

If you will forgive a Mancunian for nicking a stereotypical Scouse phrase - "ey, ey, calm down"!

If anything might have influenced Jason's chances this week IMO it's his, and (in particular) Kristina's "dance as if your life depends on it" performance in the Argentine Tango. Not to everyone's taste I know, but boy did they ever perform for very their survival with that number.

Any reverse psychology effect of the alleged Alesha comment is likely to be offset by opposing views come voting time - and this year more than any other, maybe, just maybe, the performances of all three couples on the night will be the main thing that matters.
Servalan
16-12-2011
Originally Posted by poleanna:
“She may know it for an absolute fact, yes. Do you think the judges are not given the voting figures? I think they are and they manipulate their scores accordingly to get their favourites as far as they can.”

I'd say it's pretty obvious that the judges are steered by the producers about how to vote. They (the producers) know what the final leader board will probably look like once the public vote has been added, so they can use the judges' vote to manipulate this. We've seen this repeatedly this series.

I won't be voting for anybody, because I don't care who wins - none of this year's contestants has been the slightest bit engaging for me. But - and I speak as someone who thought Alesha acquitted herself well last year - I do think she is being badly mismanaged. Her excessive use of '10s' has rendered pretty much all her scoring pointless and made her appear stupid ... but this makes her look unprofessional and biased - the two qualities which brought Arlene down. footygirl is absolutely right: she could have employed diplomacy ... so why didn't she? Is she just clueless?

Alesha will be safe, of course, because of the BBC's diversity policy if nothing else - but someone really needs to take her in hand.

And no, I definitely don't want Arlene back ... however low Alesha has sunk this series, Arlene would only be worse.
NoahsAark
16-12-2011
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“In effect last week there was a bottom three, so not "no particular order".”

Sorry but that is not right - the last couple called safe could have been any of the other three - it wasn't necessary the couple in third place. It made for better TV that they left Jason to last .... only because he had been bottom two the week before.

For all we know Chelsee/Harry could have been third on the leaderboard.

For all we know the week Jason was bottom two Chelsee could conceivably been below Jason on the public vote.

millie3
16-12-2011
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“In effect last week there was a bottom three, so not "no particular order".”

I'm sorry but I wasn't aware there was a bottom 3?
frally
16-12-2011
While it appears to be a three-horse race for Tess .....

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/showbiz...6908-23636882/
Ignazio
16-12-2011
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“In effect last week there was a bottom three, so not "no particular order".”

Not so!

There was a bottom two - the three couples going through were not in any particular order.
Monaogg
16-12-2011
Originally Posted by NoahsAark:
“Sorry but that is not right - the last couple called safe could have been any of the other three - it wasn't necessary the couple in third place. It made for better TV that they left Jason to last .... only because he had been bottom two the week before.

For all we know Chelsee/Harry could have been third on the leaderboard.

For all we know the week Jason was bottom two Chelsee could conceivably been below Jason on the public vote.

”

I stand corrected. However, this doesn't negate the fact Jason was in the bottom two the previous week and his votes like Holly's seem to be wholly dependent on his performance.
NoahsAark
16-12-2011
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“I stand corrected. However, this doesn't negate the fact Jason was in the bottom two the previous week and his votes like Holly's seem to be wholly dependent on his performance.”

Maybe, maybe not - I think he was thought to be safe ... I think Harry and Alex got a huge vote as they were in the 'danger area' and Holly had a brilliant week and deservedly picked up votes.

Personally I still think Harry has been leading the vote - but I'm not so sure about Chelsee - she has been kept safe many weeks by her position on the leaderboard.

Saturday will give a MUCH clearer picture and although each celeb has a core of fans who vote no matter what ...the floating votes could go to anyone.
shefair
16-12-2011
Originally Posted by NoahsAark:
“Sorry but that is not right - the last couple called safe could have been any of the other three - it wasn't necessary the couple in third place. It made for better TV that they left Jason to last .... only because he had been bottom two the week before.

For all we know Chelsee/Harry could have been third on the leaderboard.

For all we know the week Jason was bottom two Chelsee could conceivably been below Jason on the public vote.

”

actually IIRC some maths people worked ot that jaosn MUST have only had 1 point from the public to have ended up in the bottom 2 that week

I could be wrong though but I thought that was the conclusion of a thread a while ago
holly berry
16-12-2011
I don't think Alesha was saying anything new or that isn't obvious to anyone who has given the matter any sustained thought. The bookies have had Harry as their favourite to win for most of the series. For weeks pundits have been saying that Harry was going to win 'because women vote with their ovaries' or words to that effect. Chelsee has a large fan base on here but it will be interesting to see how this is mirrored in the wider world.

Jason's only chance (assuming he provides his best dances and isn't eliminated because he is conspicuously out-danced by the other two) is to hope that the final will attract a wider range of people who don't normally vote and will vote to him - otherwise his salsa is one dance we'll never see.
ewoodie
16-12-2011
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Not so!

There was a bottom two - the three couples going through were not in any particular order.”

That's the way I saw it.

It seems it's ok on this forum to take the p out of Jason and Chelsee but to praise Harry for everything including posing without his clothes. Positive comments about Jason aren't allowed. I think some posters have tried to suggest Jason hasn't got a chance and Harry will definitely win. It's been going on for a few weeks Now it seems even Alesha has joined this pre-final propaganda by being dismissive of Jason.
NoahsAark
16-12-2011
Originally Posted by shefair:
“actually IIRC some maths people worked ot that jaosn MUST have only had 1 point from the public to have ended up in the bottom 2 that week

I could be wrong though but I thought that was the conclusion of a thread a while ago”

No - there were a few permiatations but basically Jason could have finished 4th/5th/6th on the leaderboard to end up in the bottom two - with Alex and Harry jumping over him. Chelsee could have dropped one place below him and still got through as Robbie didn't jump up to 1st with the public vote.

The only thing we know for sure is that Harry/Alex/Holly all scored highly.
Cobblers
16-12-2011
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“I stand corrected. However, this doesn't negate the fact Jason was in the bottom two the previous week and his votes like Holly's seem to be wholly dependent on his performance.”

No necessarily so, Jason has always been my favourite but I had not voted for him as I thought he was safe. The week he was in the bottom 2 I voted for Holly as I wanted to save her over Robbie.

I was not in for the semi finals so could not vote but I would have voted for Jason if I had been at home. It's probably going to be in vain, but I will be voting for Jason tomorrow.

Whatever the result, I think any of the top 3 are worthy winners, all for different reasons.
ewoodie
16-12-2011
[quote=Cobblers;55330981]No necessarily so, Jason has always been my favourite but I had not voted for him as I thought he was safe. The week he was in the bottom 2 I voted for Holly as I wanted to save her over Robbie.

I was not in for the semi finals so could not vote but I would have voted for Jason if I had been at home. It's probably going to be in vain, but I will be voting for Jason tomorrow.

Whatever the result, I think any of the top 3 are worthy winners, all for different reasons.[/QUOTE]

Well said.
holly berry
16-12-2011
The studio audience for SCD seems decidedly middle-aged and female. If this is representative of the wider voting demographic then maybe Jace has more of a chance than one might assume because middle aged women are his natural fangirls.

However, if the people who vote are the same people who vote on X Factor then poor Jason is already dead in the water.

*Throws a scented, artificial rose into the Thames*

Or, if in Blackpool:

*Throws a scented, artificial rose onto the gale-lashed beach*
SheShe
16-12-2011
If Alesha DOES say that then I think she's out of order. I doubt it though, somehow. The Mail wants a scaremongering story at any price. I hate it.

I've been voting for Jason because I think he's improved hugely and gives 100% to everything. I also love Kristina's choreo for him.

I doubt he'll win, though. I think it'll probably be Harry, whom I also like.
shefair
16-12-2011
Originally Posted by NoahsAark:
“No - there were a few permiatations but basically Jason could have finished 4th/5th/6th on the leaderboard to end up in the bottom two - with Alex and Harry jumping over him. Chelsee could have dropped one place below him and still got through as Robbie didn't jump up to 1st with the public vote.

The only thing we know for sure is that Harry/Alex/Holly all scored highly.”

that makes no sense to me at all , but if you say so
tuppen
16-12-2011
I don't really mind who wins. But going by how they have all performed over the weeks. Both Harry and Chelsee have been consistantly good, with only the odd occasion mistake. Jason started off really well, but, whether his age is telling on him or not. he has been making a lot of very obvious mistakes in the latter weeks.

Let the best dancer win on the night, but please peeps don't take the trophy away from a worthy winner just because of what someone has or hasn't said.

Good luck to all three couples, and I hope we have a really nail biting final.
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