Originally Posted by Tom Tit:
“To be honest I find the cybermen boring. In the Tenth Planet they were very frightening and effective. That slowly diminished with each far too frequent reappearance. By the 80s I find their portrayal laughable, in terms of costume, performance, their total uselessness.
Earthshock had shock value going for it and that's it. I am in no doubt whatsoever that if Adric hadn't been blown up at the end of it the story wouldn't be remembered as anything more than average.
The revamped cybermen in the new series are too much like robots and once more are not very interesting. I like Moffat's current approach: use them (and the Daleks, and the other franchise monsters) in cameos or small rolls, rather than as the central villain in a story. No more of those tedious cybermen / Daleks two parters please.”
“To be honest I find the cybermen boring. In the Tenth Planet they were very frightening and effective. That slowly diminished with each far too frequent reappearance. By the 80s I find their portrayal laughable, in terms of costume, performance, their total uselessness.
Earthshock had shock value going for it and that's it. I am in no doubt whatsoever that if Adric hadn't been blown up at the end of it the story wouldn't be remembered as anything more than average.
The revamped cybermen in the new series are too much like robots and once more are not very interesting. I like Moffat's current approach: use them (and the Daleks, and the other franchise monsters) in cameos or small rolls, rather than as the central villain in a story. No more of those tedious cybermen / Daleks two parters please.”
As far as Earthshock is concerned, I totally disagree with you. Though Adric's death was no doubt dramatic in itself, I think even if he had been saved, it still would have been a cracking story. Very rarely does The Doctor get to be totally helpless for a complete episode as he was in Part 4 here. Not only that, The Cybermen's surprise appearance at the end of Part 1, the incidental music, the pacing, all these things imo make it a good story. I much prefer the Cybermen here than in later classic stories where they seem to have been ever more vulnerable to attack and this story is isn't as awful as Revenge Of The Cybermen, it isn't as violent as Attack and is far superior in everyway to Silver Nemesis.
I do, however, agree with your other points. The Tenth Planet and The Moonbase are quite effective Cyber-stories leading upto their peak in Tomb Of The Cybermen. After that, they did start getting a raw deal in the 60's. I'm not that keen on The Wheel In Space and The Invasion, though a good story in itself, wasn't good Cyberman-wise as they took a back scene and Tobias Vaughn stole the show.



