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It makes you think these operators can build better networks but holding back keeps them in control in the long term!
Take for instance mobile broadband especially if you want to become and MVNO you can purchase per GB data for around 8p per GB and some providers sell you 500mb for £5 per month huge profit margins. I'd be interested to see where the 8p per gig came from, is that really how they charge MVNOs. |
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I used to work for a broadband company and got to see some pricing to become and MVNO so saw what was offered for the place is was working for. Obviously the more users you had the lower the per GB.
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Fair enough, it might be 8p to buy, but when you charge £5 for that 1GB, you've paid for advertising and marketing to get the customer, you've set them up, deal with support, paid you taxes, banking, staffing and building costs you might make £2 out of !
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Why are we always so behind in this country?
Most of the Western world had 100MB home broadband for years, but it only started to become widely available here a year or so ago. Now the rest of the world is on the cusp of getting LTE, we're still umming and ahhing about getting 4G! Pathetic! ![]() ![]() If you think we are behind so much in this country, then may I suggest you emigrate to a different country that you don't think is "behind"?
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Things do move on as technology advances. At the end of the day, Three said they could happily build a national network for 3G on 2100MHz. Whether others are allowed to do it on other frequencies or not is irrelevant. If they didn't think they could do what they signed up for they shouldn't have bid for the licence!
I agree with other posters comments about this helping EE by the back door as they now share the network infrastructure. Surely EE's contribution to MBNL is enough aid to help Three out. |
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Oh here we go yet AGAIN!!!! More "<name of country> is better than us at this" propaganda!
![]() ![]() If you think we are behind so much in this country, then may I suggest you emigrate to a different country that you don't think is "behind"? ![]() It's fact. On a global level, compared to most first-world, and indeed many second-world countries, the UK's communications infrastructure is woefully lacking. If you don't like people having what are called 'opinions' perhaps you could emigrate to a country where everyone is forced to agree with you. Otherwise, I'll thank you to keep your counsel. |
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Will even the third world countries like Libya and Eygpt be getting 4G before us or will they be getting 4G even later than what even we are, ie we get 4G in 2015 and they will get 4G in say 2020?
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Hold your fire boys and girls there may be some light on the subject, same website that reported UK might not get 4G till 2015 has now reported three is doing trials on 4G!
http://www.mobile247.co.uk/3-mobile-...-thames-valley |
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What do you mean 'propaganda'?
It's fact. On a global level, compared to most first-world, and indeed many second-world countries, the UK's communications infrastructure is woefully lacking. If you don't like people having what are called 'opinions' perhaps you could emigrate to a country where everyone is forced to agree with you. Otherwise, I'll thank you to keep your counsel. |
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I don't think it's that bad - I'd certainly like to see which countries are offering 100mbps connections as standard to consumers.
http://www.netindex.com/download/allcountries/ We are number 35, even though we're the 5th biggest economy. Ahead of us are Ukraine, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Estonia, Lithuania, Belgium, Spain, Norway, France, Japan, USA, Canada, Germany, Greenland, Portugal. Still at least we're ahead of Iraq hey |
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I don't think it's that bad - I'd certainly like to see which countries are offering 100mbps connections as standard to consumers.
United Kingdom (us) Republic Of Ireland Australia New Zealand India South Africa Libya Egypt Zimbabwe Morocco Indonesia (and some of the above mentioned countries such as Australia and South Africa have forums equivalent of Digital Spy and they have a lot of "United Kingdom is better than us at this" propaganda threads. The threads don't have that title, but they are along the lines of that! )Quote:
Here's the average internet speed by country.
http://www.netindex.com/download/allcountries/ We are number 35, even though we're the 5th biggest economy. Ahead of us are Ukraine, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Estonia, Lithuania, Belgium, Spain, Norway, France, Japan, USA, Canada, Germany, Greenland, Portugal. Still at least we're ahead of Iraq hey ![]() |
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And why don't you emmigrate to one of them countries then instead of incessantly moaning and groaning about it on here and starting even more propaganda?
![]() How about we instead voice our opinions and try and force change. If you don't like our opinions you could always move to another country you know. |
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Average upload by the way is...
1 South Korea 27.47 Mbps 2 Lithuania 25.83 Mbps 3 Estonia 17.60 Mbps 4 Latvia 16.24 Mbps 5 Luxembourg 14.67 Mbps 6 Andorra 13.15 Mbps 7 Iceland 12.86 Mbps 8 Bulgaria 12.61 Mbps 9 Romania 12.21 Mbps 10 Macau 11.87 Mbps 11 Japan 10.69 Mbps 12 Denmark 10.54 Mbps 13 Republic of Moldova 10.38 Mbps 14 Sweden 10.07 Mbps 15 Singapore 10.06 Mbps 16 Ukraine 9.68 Mbps 17 Russia 9.20 Mbps 18 Ghana 8.44 Mbps 19 Greenland 8.17 Mbps 20 Norway 7.27 Mbps 21 Netherlands 6.77 Mbps 22 Czech Republic 6.74 Mbps 23 Kyrgyzstan 5.78 Mbps 24 Vietnam 5.33 Mbps 25 Aland Islands 4.90 Mbps 26 Slovenia 4.90 Mbps 27 Slovakia 4.74 Mbps 28 Mongolia 4.73 Mbps 29 Hungary 4.50 Mbps 30 Georgia 4.37 Mbps 31 Finland 4.20 Mbps 32 United Arab Emirates 3.96 Mbps 33 Rwanda 3.93 Mbps 34 Lesotho 3.57 Mbps 35 China 3.22 Mbps 36 Taiwan 3.02 Mbps 37 United States 2.96 Mbps 38 France 2.95 Mbps 39 Switzerland 2.78 Mbps 40 Grenada 2.70 Mbps 41 Malaysia 2.61 Mbps 42 Kazakstan 2.61 Mbps 43 Macedonia 2.59 Mbps 44 Portugal 2.56 Mbps 45 Poland 2.48 Mbps 46 Sudan 2.45 Mbps 47 Nigeria 2.40 Mbps 48 Bermuda 2.38 Mbps 49 Austria 2.37 Mbps 50 Kenya 2.36 Mbps 51 New Zealand 2.34 Mbps 52 Uganda 2.33 Mbps 53 Liechtenstein 2.33 Mbps 54 Ecuador 2.27 Mbps 55 Tajikistan 2.19 Mbps 56 Monaco 2.17 Mbps 57 Cambodia 2.14 Mbps 58 Armenia 2.05 Mbps 59 United Kingdom |
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And I bet even when we do get 4G, there will be even more propaganda threads such as "we have rubbish 4G coverage compared to <name of country>"! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Quote:
Average upload by the way is...
1 South Korea 27.47 Mbps 2 Lithuania 25.83 Mbps 3 Estonia 17.60 Mbps 4 Latvia 16.24 Mbps 5 Luxembourg 14.67 Mbps 6 Andorra 13.15 Mbps 7 Iceland 12.86 Mbps 8 Bulgaria 12.61 Mbps 9 Romania 12.21 Mbps 10 Macau 11.87 Mbps 11 Japan 10.69 Mbps 12 Denmark 10.54 Mbps 13 Republic of Moldova 10.38 Mbps 14 Sweden 10.07 Mbps 15 Singapore 10.06 Mbps 16 Ukraine 9.68 Mbps 17 Russia 9.20 Mbps 18 Ghana 8.44 Mbps 19 Greenland 8.17 Mbps 20 Norway 7.27 Mbps 21 Netherlands 6.77 Mbps 22 Czech Republic 6.74 Mbps 23 Kyrgyzstan 5.78 Mbps 24 Vietnam 5.33 Mbps 25 Aland Islands 4.90 Mbps 26 Slovenia 4.90 Mbps 27 Slovakia 4.74 Mbps 28 Mongolia 4.73 Mbps 29 Hungary 4.50 Mbps 30 Georgia 4.37 Mbps 31 Finland 4.20 Mbps 32 United Arab Emirates 3.96 Mbps 33 Rwanda 3.93 Mbps 34 Lesotho 3.57 Mbps 35 China 3.22 Mbps 36 Taiwan 3.02 Mbps 37 United States 2.96 Mbps 38 France 2.95 Mbps 39 Switzerland 2.78 Mbps 40 Grenada 2.70 Mbps 41 Malaysia 2.61 Mbps 42 Kazakstan 2.61 Mbps 43 Macedonia 2.59 Mbps 44 Portugal 2.56 Mbps 45 Poland 2.48 Mbps 46 Sudan 2.45 Mbps 47 Nigeria 2.40 Mbps 48 Bermuda 2.38 Mbps 49 Austria 2.37 Mbps 50 Kenya 2.36 Mbps 51 New Zealand 2.34 Mbps 52 Uganda 2.33 Mbps 53 Liechtenstein 2.33 Mbps 54 Ecuador 2.27 Mbps 55 Tajikistan 2.19 Mbps 56 Monaco 2.17 Mbps 57 Cambodia 2.14 Mbps 58 Armenia 2.05 Mbps 59 United Kingdom ![]() ![]() |
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And I bet even when we do get 4G, there will be even more propaganda threads such as "we have rubbish 4G coverage compared to <name of country>"!
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() As I said If you don't like our opinions you could always move to another country you know. |
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I love the way you keep saying propaganda, it's true! we are 59th in the ranking for upload speeds, that's not propaganda, it's true!
As I said If you don't like our opinions you could always move to another country you know. Besides, ultra fast upload and download speeds for an internet connection aren't a cure for cancer. |
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And I bet if I was to go into a high street setting such as this one: http://i40.tinypic.com/33nia1g.png and asked people in the street who are passing by if they care about us having the 59th ranking for internet upload speeds and some "poor" ranking when it comes to internet download speeds, 99.9% of those people would most likely say "NO (we don't care)".
Besides, ultra fast upload and download speeds for an internet connection aren't a cure for cancer.
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You wouldn't get that abroad
![]() Yes you would: I know somebody who went to some place in Tunisia on holiday and they kept getting asked for spare change and drugs. |
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Here's the average internet speed by country.
http://www.netindex.com/download/allcountries/ We are number 35, even though we're the 5th biggest economy. Ahead of us are Ukraine, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Estonia, Lithuania, Belgium, Spain, Norway, France, Japan, USA, Canada, Germany, Greenland, Portugal. Still at least we're ahead of Iraq hey You also need to bear in mind that according to your site, we have the 5th cheapest broadband in the world. You can offer high speeds all you want, but if people don't want to pay for it then it wont be reflected in these figures. I'm not saying we have a great telecom infrastructure, there is a lot of room for improvement - but it isn't really that bad. I assume you're familiar with the phrase: "the grass is always greener on the other side"? |
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Also, if the USA are supposedly "ahead of us" in terms of ultra fast broadband, then howcome the United States media have been setting up propaganda news articles and blog articles stating how broadband in the United Kingdom is "lightyears ahead of us"?
Also, there is somebody who came to visit me in September, and they live in a major town in Canada, and they say that the broadband they have is "nowhere near as good as what you get here in the UK, so consider yourself very lucky and don't envy countries like Japan, who needs 1Gbps broadband anyway?!" |
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Oh here we go yet AGAIN!!!! More "<name of country> is better than us at this" propaganda!
![]() ![]() If you think we are behind so much in this country, then may I suggest you emigrate to a different country that you don't think is "behind"? ![]() |
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yeah, n btw some countries dont have anything higher then 2G, be carefull where you choose to go!
![]() I bet they must moan and groan by saying for example "<name of country (United Kingdom for example)> are years ahead of us, with their internet infrastructure especially with 3G, which we don't even have, and their broaband in general". Let's just spare a though for those countries before envying other countries for getting 4G first. |
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Just come back from a holiday in the USA, they are pushing 4G like there in no tomorrow! everything seems to be 4G, also they seemed to a lot of advertising of unlimited data, and contracts of 12 months and less, how come we seem get stitched up all the time ?
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Just come back from a holiday in the USA, they are pushing 4G like there in no tomorrow! everything seems to be 4G, also they seemed to a lot of advertising of unlimited data, and contracts of 12 months and less, how come we seem get stitched up all the time ?
![]() Seriously, I'm not in the mood for "<name of country> is better than us at this" propaganda, especially since 2011 has been a bitter year for me. I'm sure when 4G is used offically here in the UK, we will be pushing it like there is no tomorrow!
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Apples and oranges comparing USA and UK
It's a huge country with a lot of people in it, 312m vs 62m in the UK so you can't compare like for like....it's a totally different setup and different economies of scale. When I was over visiting family, they couldn't believe I had a £10 a month 500mins/500text/500 mb sim only deal for £10 a month! |
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