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Pro dancers who should be ditched!!!!
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Originally Posted by Venetian:
“Vincent and Flavia are just great but have been given poor partners this last two or three years. I do wonder why? they have both been in the final so are obviously good teachers who know how to get the best out of their celebrity.
Personally have had enough of Anton, he hasn't been as much in the forefront this year so maybe he is easing himself out. Which will probably means Erin to go too. But they have had a good long run and the show is completely different to when they started it all of.
Keep Brendan, he brings a lot to the show in other ways besides dancing. Really want James to go, so much
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“Vincent and Flavia are just great but have been given poor partners this last two or three years. I do wonder why? they have both been in the final so are obviously good teachers who know how to get the best out of their celebrity.
Personally have had enough of Anton, he hasn't been as much in the forefront this year so maybe he is easing himself out. Which will probably means Erin to go too. But they have had a good long run and the show is completely different to when they started it all of.
Keep Brendan, he brings a lot to the show in other ways besides dancing. Really want James to go, so much
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I think they have to take their turn with not so good partners. Vincent and Flavia have both had great partners in the past (think Rachel Stevens and Matt D'Angelo). They also show how good they are when the contestant is not ideal, Flavia was marvellous with Russell Grant.
I'd get rid of Anton. I really don't know why he is still there.
Originally Posted by AntoniaA:
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I'd get rid of Anton. I really don't know why he is still there.”
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I'd get rid of Anton. I really don't know why he is still there.”
Commedy
I do wonder if he volunteers to take the likes of Nancy. I'm sure the Pros see the celebs audition!
Erin comes across as a lovely lady but it is time for her to go.
Same goes for Anton, Ola, James (sadly as I like a rebel), Katya, Vincent and Flavia (zzzzzzzz). I would say Brendan but this series has shown a new side to Him. He can have an extra year as long as either Ian or Matt are brought back!
Same goes for Anton, Ola, James (sadly as I like a rebel), Katya, Vincent and Flavia (zzzzzzzz). I would say Brendan but this series has shown a new side to Him. He can have an extra year
as long as either Ian or Matt are brought back!
I think it is a shame but I can't see any of those who were dropped being brought back.
Anton isn't needed, others can have funny partners and make the best of them - think how good Flavia was with Russell. Anton really should have gone after being so insulting to Layla Rouass (?sp), allowing him to stay is just like the BBC saying it is OK to use words about people of different races. He went down in my estimation after that and she went up because she carried on with dignity and has never said much about it.
Anton isn't needed, others can have funny partners and make the best of them - think how good Flavia was with Russell. Anton really should have gone after being so insulting to Layla Rouass (?sp), allowing him to stay is just like the BBC saying it is OK to use words about people of different races. He went down in my estimation after that and she went up because she carried on with dignity and has never said much about it.
Anton for me and also Robin I have seen enough of Robins choreography to know he is not very good at it.
and Anton really cant do latin no matter how sublime his ballroom is
and Anton really cant do latin no matter how sublime his ballroom is
Originally Posted by AntoniaA:
“I think it is a shame but I can't see any of those who were dropped being brought back.
Anton isn't needed, others can have funny partners and make the best of them - think how good Flavia was with Russell. Anton really should have gone after being so insulting to Layla Rouass (?sp), allowing him to stay is just like the BBC saying it is OK to use words about people of different races. He went down in my estimation after that and she went up because she carried on with dignity and has never said much about it.”
“I think it is a shame but I can't see any of those who were dropped being brought back.
Anton isn't needed, others can have funny partners and make the best of them - think how good Flavia was with Russell. Anton really should have gone after being so insulting to Layla Rouass (?sp), allowing him to stay is just like the BBC saying it is OK to use words about people of different races. He went down in my estimation after that and she went up because she carried on with dignity and has never said much about it.”
good point - BUT she did get her own back by totally ruining Spooks with her wooden acting!
i think that anton's time is probably up. think that there is only so many times that he can be given the "comedy" turn.
Its a bit harsh to say robin should be given the boot as he hasnt been excellent dancers (as in the realms of kara), both patsy and anita were good but they were never going to win. I would like to see the routines when he gets an excellent dancer
Its a bit harsh to say robin should be given the boot as he hasnt been excellent dancers (as in the realms of kara), both patsy and anita were good but they were never going to win. I would like to see the routines when he gets an excellent dancer
Originally Posted by dazemai55:
“Your not alone stigofthekrump.”
“Your not alone stigofthekrump.
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Definitel not on your own, Robin is not only a great dancer and choreographer, he is also very likeable!
Robin helped Kristina choreograph the AT with Jason which contained very few authentic AT steps , he also choreographed the shoe fetish AT with Anita and I think was responsible for the Gladiator dance on the final
I have seen more than enough of robins choreography, thank you very much , in all honesty I enjoyed none of those dances and found them very strange , lacking in the content that each dance shoild have had .
And before anyone says about Aliona she has shown with Harry she can produce elegant wonderful content filled dances
I have seen more than enough of robins choreography, thank you very much , in all honesty I enjoyed none of those dances and found them very strange , lacking in the content that each dance shoild have had .
And before anyone says about Aliona she has shown with Harry she can produce elegant wonderful content filled dances
Originally Posted by shefair:
“Robin helped Kristina choreograph the AT with Jason which contained very few authentic AT steps , he also choreographed the shoe fetish AT with Anita and I think was responsible for the Gladiator dance on the final
I have seen more than enough of robins choreography, thank you very much , in all honesty I enjoyed none of those dances and found them very strange , lacking in the content that each dance shoild have had .
And before anyone says about Aliona she has shown with Harry she can produce elegant wonderful content filled dances”
“Robin helped Kristina choreograph the AT with Jason which contained very few authentic AT steps , he also choreographed the shoe fetish AT with Anita and I think was responsible for the Gladiator dance on the final
I have seen more than enough of robins choreography, thank you very much , in all honesty I enjoyed none of those dances and found them very strange , lacking in the content that each dance shoild have had .
And before anyone says about Aliona she has shown with Harry she can produce elegant wonderful content filled dances”
Nope, he wasn't
Originally Posted by shefair:
“Robin helped Kristina choreograph the AT with Jason which contained very few authentic AT steps , he also choreographed the shoe fetish AT with Anita and I think was responsible for the Gladiator dance on the final
I have seen more than enough of robins choreography, thank you very much , in all honesty I enjoyed none of those dances and found them very strange , lacking in the content that each dance shoild have had .
And before anyone says about Aliona she has shown with Harry she can produce elegant wonderful content filled dances”
“Robin helped Kristina choreograph the AT with Jason which contained very few authentic AT steps , he also choreographed the shoe fetish AT with Anita and I think was responsible for the Gladiator dance on the final
I have seen more than enough of robins choreography, thank you very much , in all honesty I enjoyed none of those dances and found them very strange , lacking in the content that each dance shoild have had .
And before anyone says about Aliona she has shown with Harry she can produce elegant wonderful content filled dances”
If Robin was given the female equivalent of Harry then he'd have the chance to produce a lot more content in his choregoraphy - the fact is that like Katya for the past two years he's been given nervy types - he can hardly give complicated routines to contestants that are lacking in ability and confidence. I think like Katya he's done very well with the contestants he's been given. Aliona now needs to be tested on a contestant that lacks natural ability!
I think you find out more about the pro's ability when they are given someone with potential rather than someone with very little potential.
Vincent did well with Rachel, but although Edwina had some ability to move well, there's only so much Vincent could do.
Flavia did well with Russell at the start, but it quickly became apparent that there wasn't a great variety of character in Russell's dances, which limited what Flavia could do. With Matt D'Angelo she created many great routines for him, which unfortunately his brain lost track of occasionally (maybe due to working on Eastenders too).
With Chris, Ola did choreograph to Chris's limitations and there were only a few steps that Chris could do well. There were no bent knees in his Tango, his hands were much the same at the end as at the start. Ola did a good job and made a lot of the routines entertaining, and in the Charleston Chris found a dance he could really shine at. He struggled to remember routines but with Ola's help he never gave up and they won for all the others things they had plus acceptable dancing. Ola's first year she had Spoony, who was maybe the partner with the most potential but they never got far enough, probably mainly because Spoony had no fanbase and with Ola being new, neither had she.
My point is, a lot of the pro's are very capable but major factors are the celebs popularity, personality, previous dance training and ability to learn to dance.
The very short lead in to the first dance now (which can be 2 weeks instead of the 6 weeks they once had) means the pro has much less chance to teach them dance basics and it becomes a sequence of rushing to learn a new routine each week.
Vincent did well with Rachel, but although Edwina had some ability to move well, there's only so much Vincent could do.
Flavia did well with Russell at the start, but it quickly became apparent that there wasn't a great variety of character in Russell's dances, which limited what Flavia could do. With Matt D'Angelo she created many great routines for him, which unfortunately his brain lost track of occasionally (maybe due to working on Eastenders too).
With Chris, Ola did choreograph to Chris's limitations and there were only a few steps that Chris could do well. There were no bent knees in his Tango, his hands were much the same at the end as at the start. Ola did a good job and made a lot of the routines entertaining, and in the Charleston Chris found a dance he could really shine at. He struggled to remember routines but with Ola's help he never gave up and they won for all the others things they had plus acceptable dancing. Ola's first year she had Spoony, who was maybe the partner with the most potential but they never got far enough, probably mainly because Spoony had no fanbase and with Ola being new, neither had she.
My point is, a lot of the pro's are very capable but major factors are the celebs popularity, personality, previous dance training and ability to learn to dance.
The very short lead in to the first dance now (which can be 2 weeks instead of the 6 weeks they once had) means the pro has much less chance to teach them dance basics and it becomes a sequence of rushing to learn a new routine each week.
would agree I do wonder what Erin could have done with Rory had she had more time.
James was right in 2008 when he said people should vote on the dance and not on commedy value, popularity of contestant!
James was right in 2008 when he said people should vote on the dance and not on commedy value, popularity of contestant!
Originally Posted by StigOfTheKrump:
“Nope, he wasn't”
“Nope, he wasn't
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who was responsible for that Gladiators dance? do you know?
Originally Posted by olivej:
“who was responsible for that Gladiators dance? do you know?”
“who was responsible for that Gladiators dance? do you know?”
Apparently it was Mandy someone? Not certain of who it actually was lol
Originally Posted by olivej:
“who was responsible for that Gladiators dance? do you know?”
“who was responsible for that Gladiators dance? do you know?”
Mandy Moore
Originally Posted by *Topaz*:
“If Robin was given the female equivalent of Harry then he'd have the chance to produce a lot more content in his choregoraphy - the fact is that like Katya for the past two years he's been given nervy types - he can hardly give complicated routines to contestants that are lacking in ability and confidence. I think like Katya he's done very well with the contestants he's been given. Aliona now needs to be tested on a contestant that lacks natural ability!”
“If Robin was given the female equivalent of Harry then he'd have the chance to produce a lot more content in his choregoraphy - the fact is that like Katya for the past two years he's been given nervy types - he can hardly give complicated routines to contestants that are lacking in ability and confidence. I think like Katya he's done very well with the contestants he's been given. Aliona now needs to be tested on a contestant that lacks natural ability!”
well \i beg his pardon on the gladiator dance but still say quite a few of his dances have shown little talent for choreography regardless of the talent of his celebrity
and I would question his ability to teach as all the way through Anita had very ugly leg placement despite it not being picked up by the judges
something as fundamental as this should have been picked up by him and worked on
Originally Posted by shefair:
“and I would question his ability to teach as all the way through Anita had very ugly leg placement despite it not being picked up by the judges
something as fundamental as this should have been picked up by him and worked on”
“and I would question his ability to teach as all the way through Anita had very ugly leg placement despite it not being picked up by the judges
something as fundamental as this should have been picked up by him and worked on”
I think Robin had yet more fundamental issues to work on with Anita - steps, balance etc. Also, we don't know that he didn't tell her to work on her lines, she might just not have been capable of it.
its a thing we could go round and round on since we never get any proper training room footage
Nevertheless Robin did not do a good job with Anita leg placement and I dont like his choreography so he can go
he had a potetially good contestant last year with Patsy and I dont think he did a very ggod job showcasing her either
Nevertheless Robin did not do a good job with Anita leg placement and I dont like his choreography so he can go
he had a potetially good contestant last year with Patsy and I dont think he did a very ggod job showcasing her either
Originally Posted by shefair:
“its a thing we could go round and round on since we never get any proper training room footage
Nevertheless Robin did not do a good job with Anita leg placement and I dont like his choreography so he can go
he had a potetially good contestant last year with Patsy and I dont think he did a very ggod job showcasing her either”
“its a thing we could go round and round on since we never get any proper training room footage
Nevertheless Robin did not do a good job with Anita leg placement and I dont like his choreography so he can go
he had a potetially good contestant last year with Patsy and I dont think he did a very ggod job showcasing her either”
I think you're just nitpicking things that aren't there now... you must really not like Robin to come out with some of these things!
With regard to the comedy turn, since John Sergeant, its become a vital ingredient to the success and ratings of the show as a whole. Who else could you give the comedy turn to other than Anton, if the turn was a female contestant.
I think Anton under normal circumstances might be pissed off with it, but he is either philosophical about it realising that some great male pros have been dumped off the show in the last few years and he is lucky to still have the gig OR he is literally waiting in the wings for Brucie to decide to hang up his mic and thinks he can take over from him !!!
I think Flavia got the comedy turn this year and likewise Vincent got a duffer because it was known ahead of time they would not be free to do the tour and no point in pairing them with a contender if thats the case.
I am getting pretty tired of Erin though, I think a more dynamic female pro could certainly take her place, and getting pretty sick of James too. I say, get rid of James and bring back the gorgeous Matthew Cutler.
I think Anton under normal circumstances might be pissed off with it, but he is either philosophical about it realising that some great male pros have been dumped off the show in the last few years and he is lucky to still have the gig OR he is literally waiting in the wings for Brucie to decide to hang up his mic and thinks he can take over from him !!!
I think Flavia got the comedy turn this year and likewise Vincent got a duffer because it was known ahead of time they would not be free to do the tour and no point in pairing them with a contender if thats the case.
I am getting pretty tired of Erin though, I think a more dynamic female pro could certainly take her place, and getting pretty sick of James too. I say, get rid of James and bring back the gorgeous Matthew Cutler.
Originally Posted by StigOfTheKrump:
“I think you're just nitpicking things that aren't there now... you must really not like Robin to come out with some of these things!”
“I think you're just nitpicking things that aren't there now... you must really not like Robin to come out with some of these things!”
no I am not nit picking I am expressing my opinion
I dont mind Robin as a person , I dont like or dislike him
I dont like his choreography , dont think he is an especially good teacher and for me he could go as can Anton ( who I really do dislike as the person he portrays on SCD )
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