LOl romantic,but ain't the reality,you only see things like this in movies

im good sue hope ur good to been to work have go back at 7 but of then till friday xx

hope its not to busy then

nite ar but woz bissy this morning every one wanted fish and chips

that woz saposes to say night ar not bissy lol but u no me bay now

Hope everything is alright Kaye

Evening all , not had a chance to post today, niece and nephew are here, computer was the cash register in a game . Hope everything's ok for Kaye and Wendy. . Maggi x

im sorry ive cut out some of your post....

but I do agree with the points that you have made.... and it does make me realise that I have got far far to involved in something that is nothing at all to do with me.....

and that one of my new years resolutions next year is to try and be fairer....
I did actually like Josie a great deal when I watched her in BB11,

and although its obvious that she like everyone else, isnt perfect.... she has still managed to keep the essence of herself the same....and she did always have a good heart...even if she also had a knack of putting her foot in it...

there is a new version of sticks and stones...that I have heard recently and I do wish I could remember the whole thing... And it was quoted for children, so the language was much simpler.....

but it goes along the lines of sticks and stones can break your bones, but they will heal,
whilst words can wound and hurt for years and years afterwards and leave huge emotional scars.....

That was short and sweet, gonna drop these two home, be back in a while . Maggi. X

Isnt that the truth, I could never understand their insecurities, as both are very attractive couple, Josie was a bit overweight but not grossly, John fell in love with her like that, seems crazy shes now saying he was embarassed of her, I dont believe it. I think she has massive self image issues and she projected that onto her relationship, whereas in fact the problems had nothing to do with that. Hopefully now she is a size 12 her self confidence has increased, that and the fact she has got a new man, who apparently doesnt mind about her weight, but i doubt it, since her self image/awareness confidence is nothing to do with size but more to do with self rejection and self/acceptance. You can paper over the cracks but the underlying issues are still there unless resolved.


It is to do with him, by not deploring the hate messages, he is in fact condoning it and is well aware of that fact, it may or may not stop, I m of the opinion that if he did take issue then his adoring fans would stop, but as you say he doesnt want to or has washed his hands of the responsibility, not the actions of a gentleman imo. Josie continues to add fuel to the fire by criticizing him and character assassination at every opportunity, and as hes said she could if she wanted to, not comment at mention of his name, but she chooses to carry on, so why be surprised that the hate continues. If she were to back down then he may or visa versa.

Josie has said many times that neither or them would back down in an argument and it seems even now several months later they are still continuing the same old same old, so really both of them are too blame and neither can blame each other for the the continuing vitrol, despite both their protestations.
I think that both of them are now indifferent to each other, dont care anymore, I cant see that anyone would want someone that they still cared for to be the target of such nastiness and hate, so it goes on with no end in sight, except if both called a truce, or they were friends again, which is at the moment highly unlikely, and I really dont think its affecting them like they say because if it were, then both would to something about it. Its sad but both are not acting rationally or sensibly, maybe if they had allowed themselves proper closure then all of this would not have happened.

well written, very good post:

Just posting plans for a trip to Ireland in May. If anyone is interested please let me know in PM asap, so I can book the hotel rooms we need.

Those of us having to travel over to Ireland will be going for 2 nights: Saturday and Sunday 11th and 12th May in Dublin
Depending on how quickly I book and how many I book for, it should work out at between £80 to £100 each for 2 nights, depending on whether you stay in a 2-bed or a 3-bed room. So if any of you are interested in meeting up with us, let me know in PM whether you want to come and whether you want to stay for 1 or 2 nights, and share/not share a bedroom, or make your own arrangements, or just see us during Saturday, or maybe Friday night.

I'm just going to post this in the JJJAT and the JJAT as well.

Kay xx

Evening everyone. Hope the weather is better where you are. Been blowing a gale all day with a few scary claps of thunder thrown in. Internet been up and down like a yoyo.

Wendy...did you get a chance to speak to your Dad's specialist today?

Hello Joyce love

GD is better in himself today, but tests are still ongoing in other areas. The bottom line is that GD's problem originally was in the large bowel, it twists on itself where it is collapsed. GD's big decision was whether or not to have it retubed in order to anchor it and in doing so stop it from twisting. The death rate in over 90's for this is 100% but GD has told me he wants it done. However he was showing signs on Friday Christmas EVE EVE that it was beginning to twist again. In fact it was the small bowel that has now in places collapsed. I seriously thought when I visited him on Christmas Morning that by Boxing Day my dad would have left this earth. They took him down to theatre and did a temporary measure op which aleviated the twist and made GD comfortable. However if they retube any part of GD's bowel it will be like chasing the Hare, as other parts of his bowel are susseptable to twist at any given time. The operation for temporary relief has already proven this - GD has no muscle contraction in his bowel at all. Other ops could be performed but at 90 GD couldn't withstand the hours under the operating theatre lights. So it seems that hospital visits and bowel twists are what he faces on a regular basis until of course eventually his heart or some other area of his body gives up also. His kidneys and bladder are being closely watched at the moment. He already has an enlarged heart with irregular heartbeat and prostrate cancer. I seriously don't know how much more of all this he can take. But he is as strong as an ox - who knows

Nothing I can say except to take it one day at a time. Hope that he gets the best possible care in hospital and is free from pain.

wendy, dont know what to say, is he in pain, it must affect his diet and everything, poor man, my thoughts to both of you xx

Just like to say......nice thoughtful post Marion.

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He is free from pain, he is a lot better in himself today, but we have to be honest, his body is giving up I'm afraid, even though his mind for a 90 year old is sound. His diet is mainly liquid at the moment but they are introducing a little bit to each meal. I don't think the Specialist has any answers tbh.

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Evening all, Wendy I don't really know what to say except at least he's pain free and comfortable, I suppose it's take things a day at a time and deal with the problems when they arise . Maggi. X

I like this one, only wish if it is going to happen it would hurry up . Maggi x

Hey Guys! Long time no speak! J

Well I must admit that the fact that I’m posting here after all this time is a bit strange, but I decided to pop in and drop a line or two regarding my favourite BB pairing. The truth is I just wanted to share my thoughts, as someone who doesn’t really care about the whole John/Josie thing anymore, and put in my two cents about how I view the John James/Josie debacle now that I’m not quite so ‘involved.’

The truth is, I do still like John James & Josie. Or at least, I like the THOUGHT of John and Josie. However, I have realised as time has went by that they are no longer what they were in the BB house and that the relationship they had is not really there anymore. Unfortunate as it is, these things happen. I don’t think anyone on the JJJAT is in any doubt about that.

I’ll be honest and say I haven’t kept up-to-date with anything that’s gone on in the world of JJJ, but I do lurk on the thread every now and again. The interesting thing is that the reason I lurk is because there’s still part of me that believes that it would be entirely possible to come back here one day and find out that they’re back together. As someone who isn’t really that bothered whether they do get together again or not, this tells me that -despite all the stuff that’s happened- I believe that these two are the type of people who could potentially get back together. Not because I WANT them to, just for some reason I believe that they’re the type of people who could. Only if they decided to get the lines of communication back of course, but that’s a different thing altogether. Naturally if they don’t talk to each other (fighting doesn’t count) then nothing will ever really get resolved.

Now, I’m just going to give a few opinions on how I think -judging from the small titbits I’ve heard- John & Josie may be feeling. Of course I don’t claim to know, but it’s just my opinion. Having said that I can now say that I think that John and Josie are NOT over what has went on between them. Definitely not. I think they are both so wound up about all the stuff that’s went on between them that it’s made it impossible for either of them to completely move on.

I definitely think this is the case with Josie. I think she is carrying what has happened between her and John around with her -hence why she sometimes likes to bring it up without any real reason- and it’s something that has really affected her and made it hard for her to let the relationship go completely. I think this makes sense given the type of person she is i.e. Someone hard on the outside but soft on the inside.

I think Josie wanted to let her barriers down for John (though she never fully did) and she wanted to be with him forever. I don’t think she always treated him right, but then again he never really treated her right either. Anyway, I think when John left she really was devastated by it, but I also think that she had mentally prepared herself for it happening long before he actually left for Australia. So when John finally left I think her defences immediately flared up and she just let him go. I think that because she had resigned herself to John leaving her eventually, she didn’t give herself much time to absorb what happened, meaning that everything we see now (random outbursts about John, mentioning his name) is all a way of letting out her own annoyance about what she feels he did to her.

Don’t get me wrong, I think Josie is telling the truth when she says she felt drained with John. I don’t necessarily think Josie MISSES John, I just think she’s like a small child in the playground poking someone. I think on some level Josie doesn’t want John to forget about her, so every now and again she gives him a little nudge as a way of saying ‘don‘t forget about what happened!’ But then maybe the first nudge doesn’t work, so she does a second. Third. Fourth. Until eventually John bites back with something nasty, that pretty much matches all the little digs that Josie has done, all in one sitting. It’s like they’re playing a game, because their relationship seems to be this massive elephant in the room when they are on Twitter. I think it’s sometimes a simple matter of not being able to ignore the elephant.

I must admit I was shocked to come back and realise that not that long ago there seemed to have been some sort of communication between John and Josie that John did not react well to. I’m not sure exactly what it was about though. Something like Josie telling John to stop the hate? Along those lines. Then John flipped and called her out for contacting him?

I can’t really imagine what John feels, but it seems to me that they both annoy the crap out of each other now. Not even to the point where it seems like love anymore, more like just genuine annoyance. I don’t think John is jealous of Josie’s new boyfriend, I just think she annoys him on a whole other level.

To some extent it’s the same with Josie. I think John irritates Josie and what she believes he done to her irritates her. To such an extent that, when she thinks about him (which seems to be a lot) she is overcome with feelings: anger, sadness, regret, annoyance. Having all these feelings for someone she doesn’t like anymore probably makes her feel even more annoyed, perhaps this is what causes her to make a comment about him in a magazine or on Twitter now and again.

I do think she’s happy with Luke, but sometimes that doesn’t really mean that she’s completely gotten over the past. Sometimes the people that you feel have hurt you the most (which I think John did with Josie and vice versa) are the people who take up most of your thoughts. The lack of closure on the matter probably only makes it worse.

As for John, I don’t know what’s going on with him. As far as I know he hasn’t really done much in terms of communicating with fans, but could be wrong. I think he is trying to move on by putting an ocean in between his ’old’ life with Josie and his life is Australia.

I think Aus Is where John is comfortable and he doesn’t have to deal with anything that may be too stressful. In regards to Josie I think that he has built her up as some sort of crazy person who won’t leave him alone. I know it’s sad but I think, in John’s mind, that’s how he sees her.

I think John is the type of person who doesn’t accept blame for anything that went wrong in the relationship. Which of course isn’t true, it takes two to tango, especially when two people are so strong-willed. However, even though I think John doesn’t have feelings for Josie anymore, I think that she takes up more of his thoughts than we might realise, only because his relationship with her was so massive and they went through so much.

Josie gave him grief, but she also helped him through a lot of tough times when he was in the house. I don’t think John thinks about the good though, I think he has built up the bad in order to forget about the good.

Anyway, I just wanted to stop in and say something about John and Josie. I got rid of the JJJAT on my bookmark page so it took me ages to find what thread number was the right one!

I’m so surprised that even this far on Josie is still casually throwing John’s name about. As far as I know -again, could be wrong- John hasn’t really given her much reason to feel provoked (apart from whatever happened a week or so ago.) If Josie really is happy with Luke then I’m not sure really why she would want to contact John. Surely she must know that even if John said to stop the hate, it probably wouldn’t make much difference in the Twitter world. People would still be fighting their own side. Bitter, nasty people on Twitter are not really bitter and nasty BECAUSE of John and Josie, the sad truth is they have nastiness inside them and it’s just there. John and Josie are simply excuses to be nasty.

Anyway, hope my views haven’t bothered anyone. The truth is that I just wanted to write my opinions on John and Josie for old times sake! I did enjoy talking about them and their relationship, but now that it seems any sort of reconciliation is out of reach it seems almost pointless to keep following them. Although, like I said, it would not surprise me if I popped on one day after a few months and seen that there had been a complete thaw. Wouldn’t surprise me at all.

I think that John may be over being part of the John and Josie brand, but I don’t think he has forgotten or is over what they went through. After all, when a friend turns on you and you believe it’s all the other person’s fault, then it’s definitely going to leave a deep sting. You miss the person you thought they were, but you’d be happy never to see them again. This is how I believe John and Josie feel about each other and I doubt they’ll ever start feeling that way. I don’t think John misses his ‘girlfriend’ Josie, or Josie misses her ‘boyfriend’ John. I think they miss being friends.

Sorry this is so freakin' long!

Natalie

Sorry to hear he is going through all this Wendy - hugs to you all

Thanks Natalie I really enjoyed and agreed with your views especially with the statement that they miss being friends. I think this is the saddest thing of all and what I imagine hurts them the most . After all , they experienced a massive life changing thing for Josie esp together and they got through it together and now that experience in a way has been tainted by the split.

Thanks Andrea In order to get through this I have to be a realist unfortunately. However who knows, he is as strong as an ox, many would have given up long before now but not GD