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Leona - Has She Past Her Sell By Date?
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mm83
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by konebyvax:
“Eek, can i make it clear i'm not being 'negative' about Leona because I'm an an Alexandra fan, I actually can't stand her. Of the 2, I'd choose Leona every day of the week. Much more likeable. (runs and hides).”

I know you're not, it's always the same few regulars from the ABAT. I just think it's hilarious how out of all the people it's Alexandra fans always setting the bar so high for Leona considering Alexandra is hardly a roaring success.
Anika Hanson
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by mm83:
“Not every artist wants to be a brand. Not everyone's main ambition is fame and money. Alexandra is hardly a model for how an artist should build themselves up as a brand. After all, there is nothing more glamorous than reaching the dizzying heights of selling discount jewelery on ArgosTV.”

To be fair Argos TV is not her only venture, she has her own clothing line, she also has 6 figure deals with a high profile modelling agency and D & G.
iseloid
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by mm83:
“I love how Alexandra fans always set the bar so high for other artists (particularly Leona) but fail to do the same for Alexandra . Spirit sold over 7 Million copies WW , how can you say it isn't "all that" it was the second highest selling album in the world in 2008. How did Overcome do internationally in comparison ? it flopped harder than fish out of water. I doubt Alexandra will sell that many albums in her entire career.

But then of course Alexandra fans will say as always that she never got that kind of promotion. It's obvious why. I think some Alexandra fans will never understand how promotion works and why some artists get more promotion than others. The reason why "simon threw everything into it" is because the album and Leona clearly had potential and appealed to a world wide audience. It's all about potential, if you have it and if you are showing the ability to connect with an audience that will in turn lead to promotion. Labels will shell out the money for promotion only if they feel that there is a strong probability of return on investment.



This is exactly the way I feel about Alexandra. She has some of the tools but lacks "it".



And Alexandra didn't?




That's nonsense. Pop artists can sell as well and all you have to do is look at Lady GaGa's and Rihanna's sales. Artists do well when their material and the artists themselves connect with the audience.”

LOL but she didnt get all the promo in the world thats the point. everyone was raving about leona due to her voice. alex was seen as a good singer but nothing special.

and without the money NO artist can have massive sales. leona benefitted from being the best singer to come from a talent show, the news were even raving about her sales for a moment like this. and epic wouldnt sign her for a multi album US deal with no material so to speak if she wouldnt bring in money would they??

7m WW is very good of course, but if you look at the sales in each territory 21 has outdone it with far less promotion in less time. and overcome flopped due to a 2 week european promo trip promoting single 1 and that was it. leona was everywhere. simon (as my dad said) saw leona as the next whitney houston mid-80s. alexandra will sell albums internationally, just watch. rihanna and gaga are the ONLY 2 pop artists to sell over 8m copies of albums now.

loud sold 8m and the fame sold 12m+ adele's 21 is set to sell over 15m WW, mariah's music box and daydream and whitney's debut and follow up also sold over 20m worldwide. albums dont sell how they used to. and like I SAID, 3m copies were sold in the UK. so it only sold 4m WW. in perspective very good, but nothing extraordinary on a global scale. 1m was in the US (for the fastest selling debut artist of all time?? adele's 19 sold the same amount) so half its sales were outside the UK and US.

the reality is this: NO Syco artist has received the same amount of promo as leona, hence the reason alex left. she knows what the label is like. they hold her in such high regard, but its not paying off in the long run. if you give all the good artists promo you'll gain in the long term. but they DONT do that.
Tigerpaws
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by Carly_Thompson:
“You people need to realise some things.

1. Hurt was never intended to be a commercial success. It was a treat to fans as part of an EP. One X Factor performance and it went to number 2 on iTunes. No video, no other promotion, a single performance and it rocketed up iTunes. Does this sound like somebody who is passed their sell by date? Yes it's number 8 now, but considering she's performed it twice only with no other promotion and the EP release has been fairly low key...I'd say it's a sucess.
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A treat for the fans that they have to pay for? Come on are you serious? A treat for fans is what other artist do such as a free unreleased song to fan club members every year etc. Of course they expected it to be a commercial success - they had her performing on the xf final. I'm also guessing it was a stop gap to garner some Xmas sales and raise her profile because of the album delay.
iseloid
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by mm83:
“Not every artist wants to be a brand. Not everyone's main ambition is fame and money. Alexandra is hardly a model for how an artist should build themselves up as a brand. After all, there is nothing more glamorous than reaching the dizzying heights of selling discount jewelery on ArgosTV.”

well get OUT the damn industry! thats what its all about! i.e diana ross, whitney, mariah, beyonce ....all brands! they earn the most and are brands!

honestly! you might say sell jewelry but people wear it, and in the future going global, having her own fashion label and watches etc helps. fans buy it, i.e beyonce and tina knowles' fashion label 'house of dereon' and 'dereon'. Hardly a model?? the perfect one. take your time with your career and build it on YOUR terms.
mm83
19-12-2011
What Adele is doing is extraordinary and is unlikely to be repeated for a long time.

I already explained in my previous post why Alexandra didn't get more promotion (but naturally you chose to ignore it ), again it's because Alexandra and her music failed to connect with an audience and unless she has less generic material this time around the outcome will be very similar.
Zack06
19-12-2011
Some people need to put their handbags down. This thread is about LEONA not Alexandra...

It's funny how Alex haters come running out to bring up her name any time Leona is mentioned to try and bring her down. Alexandra has done amazingly with one album and she will continue to improve.
mm83
19-12-2011
Alexandra was brought into the thread as always by the same regulars from the ABAT.
iseloid
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by mm83:
“What Adele is doing is extraordinary and is unlikely to be repeated for a long time.

I already explained in my previous post why Alexandra didn't get more promotion (but naturally you chose to ignore it ), again it's because Alexandra and her music failed to connect with an audience and unless she has less generic material this time around the outcome will be very similar.”

eh??? failed to connect? she sold more than double leona's debut single with hers...
and she chose to do pop rather than r&b which is what she'd have ended up doing which is good as r&b is a dying genre.
Anika Hanson
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“LOL but she didnt get all the promo in the world thats the point. everyone was raving about leona due to her voice. alex was seen as a good singer but nothing special.

and without the money NO artist can have massive sales. leona benefitted from being the best singer to come from a talent show, the news were even raving about her sales for a moment like this. and epic wouldnt sign her for a multi album US deal with no material so to speak if she wouldnt bring in money would they??

7m WW is very good of course, but if you look at the sales in each territory 21 has outdone it with far less promotion in less time. and overcome flopped due to a 2 week european promo trip promoting single 1 and that was it. leona was everywhere. simon (as my dad said) saw leona as the next whitney houston mid-80s. alexandra will sell albums internationally, just watch. rihanna and gaga are the ONLY 2 pop artists to sell over 8m copies of albums now.

loud sold 8m and the fame sold 12m+ adele's 21 is set to sell over 15m WW, mariah's music box and daydream and whitney's debut and follow up also sold over 20m worldwide. albums dont sell how they used to. and like I SAID, 3m copies were sold in the UK. so it only sold 4m WW. in perspective very good, but nothing extraordinary on a global scale. 1m was in the US (for the fastest selling debut artist of all time?? adele's 19 sold the same amount) so half its sales were outside the UK and US.

the reality is this: NO Syco artist has received the same amount of promo as leona, hence the reason alex left. she knows what the label is like. they hold her in such high regard, but its not paying off in the long run. if you give all the good artists promo you'll gain in the long term. but they DONT do that.”

Leona is suffering now. I find it quite sad that just a few years ago Simon was trying to tell us that Leona was the second coming of Christ, now he seems to have lost interest. Simon seems to hanker after success, but dumps people and moves onto the next thing. He couldn't get enough of Cheryl Cole when he saw how popular she was but once it didn't work out he dropped her like a brick. I'm sure Leona will always be kept on at Syco, but Simon seems to have moved onto other acts now like one direction, Olly Murs and Cher Lloyd. He doesn't seem that interested in Leona anymore, other than to wheel her out on US X-factor and say look what I found in the UK. I think
gpk
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“Some people need to put their handbags down. This thread is about LEONA not Alexandra...

It's funny how Alex haters come running out to bring up her name any time Leona is mentioned to try and bring her down. Alexandra has done amazingly with one album and she will continue to improve.”

a bit like you mentioning cheryl in that nicole thread the other day. :sleep:

i like the both of them. alexandra`s album did well in the uk and produced 2 platinum singles.
Zack06
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by mm83:
“Alexandra was brought into the thread as always by the same regulars from the ABAT.”

To be honest you seem more than happy to slate her at any opportunity. The fact of the matter is, Leona has had no #1s without the X Factor. Collide did flop, and her EP hasn't been racking up impressive sales at all. Alex got a 2 week #1 with no Radio 1 support and no X Factor slot.

I'd say Leona is in danger of becoming a flop unless she gets something together soon.
johnboybetter
19-12-2011
Hurt and Collide weren't pormoted well and they both charted well.
I think with the right promo and music videos they would have been massive.
Leona hasn't pasted her time, she still has a good fan base and with the right method she will be big again
Zack06
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by gpk:
“a bit like you mentioning cheryl in that nicole thread the other day. :sleep:

i like the both of them. alexandra`s album did well in the uk and produced 2 platinum singles.”

Because Cheryl fans don't bring up Nicole in any of her threads at all do they?

I LOVE them both too, but while Alex was smart enough to ditch Syco, Leona is in danger of having her glittering career trashed by their incompetence.
iseloid
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by mm83:
“Alexandra was brought into the thread as always by the same regulars from the ABAT.”

yep. and we AINT going away LOL.
The debate is finished. Leona is on the way down, and alexandra has the potential to outshine her in the long run.

Unless leona leaves syco, she'll never become the next mariah/whitney in terms of sales. if you can get 3/4Xplatinum singles in the USA frequently now with digital sales being all the rage then youve got no hope in hell. all leona needs to do is work with those hitmakers rihanna does. Its not THAT hard.

Seriously. rihanna and Gaga will sell like whitney and mariah by the time their careers have finished. 60m records sold by each in less than 7 years (rihanna) and 3 years (gaga).
Zack06
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“yep. and we AINT going away LOL.
The debate is finished. Leona is on the way down, and alexandra has the potential to outshine her in the long run.

Unless leona leaves syco, she'll never become the next mariah/whitney in terms of sales. if you can get 3/4Xplatinum singles in the USA frequently now with digital sales being all the rage then youve got no hope in hell. all leona needs to do is work with those hitmakers rihanna does. Its not THAT hard.

Seriously. rihanna and Gaga will sell like whitney and mariah by the time their careers have finished. 60m records sold by each in less than 7 years (rihanna) and 3 years (gaga).”

Syco are trashing her career. People can make excuses, but this is the truth at the end of the day.
mm83
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“Because Cheryl fans don't bring up Nicole in any of her threads at all do they?

I LOVE them both too, but while Alex was smart enough to ditch Syco, Leona is in danger of having her glittering career trashed by their incompetence.”

LOL

Do you honestly believe Alexandra just turned around and left, lmao you can't be that deluded. She was allowed to leave and I'm sure on terms very favorable to Syco.
gpk
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“Because Cheryl fans don't bring up Nicole in any of her threads at all do they?

I LOVE them both too, but while Alex was smart enough to ditch Syco, Leona is in danger of having her glittering career trashed by their incompetence.”

i tend to stick to the topic, unless someone else steers the conversation away from the subject.

is alexandra`s position with syco clarified yet, or are you still basing that opinion on her tweet? hopefully, leona`s us performance on the x factor will give her a boost.
Zack06
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by mm83:
“LOL

Do you honestly believe Alexandra just turned around and left, lmao you can't be that deluded. She was allowed to leave and I'm sure on terms very favorable to Syco.”

It wasn't amicable that much is sure. There were plenty of hints from Alex and her family, that her decision to leave Syco was based around her own career interests. They were not acting in her best interests so she left.

She still has her US deal to think about, and she's spent time working on a quality album.

Leona and Alex are releasing at the same time so we'll see how they do.
iseloid
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by johnboybetter:
“Hurt and Collide weren't pormoted well and they both charted well.
I think with the right promo and music videos they would have been massive.
Leona hasn't pasted her time, she still has a good fan base and with the right method she will be big again”

collide could have been a massive tune with a bit more focus. and why wasn't it sent to US radio and heavily promoted there? It reached no.1 on the hot dance club songs so it had appeal?? bad label choices....and that will kill her career. hurt was set to be a top 3 single but as the week went on, its sales dropped.
Dave0893
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“yep. and we AINT going away LOL.
The debate is finished. Leona is on the way down, and alexandra has the potential to outshine her in the long run.

Unless leona leaves syco, she'll never become the next mariah/whitney in terms of sales. if you can get 3/4Xplatinum singles in the USA frequently now with digital sales being all the rage then youve got no hope in hell. all leona needs to do is work with those hitmakers rihanna does. Its not THAT hard.

Seriously. rihanna and Gaga will sell like whitney and mariah by the time their careers have finished. 60m records sold by each in less than 7 years (rihanna) and 3 years (gaga).”

Perhaps Leona doesnt want generic music like Rihanna etc. She said she wants to create a timeless album and that is why she has been working on this album for so long.
iseloid
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by mm83:
“LOL

Do you honestly believe Alexandra just turned around and left, lmao you can't be that deluded. She was allowed to leave and I'm sure on terms very favorable to Syco.”

she was probably signed like all other winners besides leona; to a one album deal. and so when it expired, she could leave or opt for a co-sign to another sony label. and then it was arranged via her lawyers as it always is, to become an RCA artist after this album. its all business.
Dave0893
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“It wasn't amicable that much is sure. There were plenty of hints from Alex and her family, that her decision to leave Syco was based around her own career interests. They were not acting in her best interests so she left.

She still has her US deal to think about, and she's spent time working on a quality album.

Leona and Alex are releasing at the same time so we'll see how they do.”

She cant have left on bad terms, otherwise I doubt Simon would allow her to sit on the X Factor judging panel. Plus I still think it is a joint deal with Syco.

Also people keep saying Leona needs to leave Syco, perhaps they wont let her. If they have let Alexandra go then they obviously dont care about her as much.
iseloid
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by Dave0893:
“Perhaps Leona doesnt want generic music like Rihanna etc. She said she wants to create a timeless album and that is why she has been working on this album for so long.”

I guessed that too. But a generic album would do her good. Loud sold 8m WW. and songs like bleeding love arent made every day. and for the most part rihanna isnt generic and neither is Gaga. they're at the front of popular music. Katy perry wouldnt be caught dead singing rude boy or what's my name.
Boxfresh
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by mm83:
“Alexandra was brought into the thread as always by the same regulars from the ABAT.”

Nope. Go back and read the first page. Alex wasn't brought up by her supporters.

Alex was first brought up by a Leona supporter (mistakenly) claiming she'd only sold 700,000 copies of Overcome off the back of 5 singles, as opposed to Leona's second album sales of 650,000 from two singles. Basically, Alex was brought up by a Leona fan, with mistaken information, in an attempt to make her second era seem more succesful than Alex's first era..

But don't let reality get in the way off you slagging off Burkey
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