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Leona - Has She Past Her Sell By Date?
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iseloid
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by Dave0893:
“She cant have left on bad terms, otherwise I doubt Simon would allow her to sit on the X Factor judging panel. Plus I still think it is a joint deal with Syco.

Also people keep saying Leona needs to leave Syco, perhaps they wont let her. If they have let Alexandra go then they obviously dont care about her as much.”

thats what I thought too. If a label dont renegotiate or do something to keep you, then they dont care about you. I don't think simon ever really wanted alexandra to be a big success at all. Leona is all he cares about. but now its all about 1D, Little mix and cher. leona is simply his poster girl for the show until something outdoes her and then he'll stop banging on about her.
Zack06
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“I guessed that too. But a generic album would do her good. Loud sold 8m WW. and songs like bleeding love arent made every day. and for the most part rihanna isnt generic and neither is Gaga. they're at the front of popular music. Katy perry wouldnt be caught dead singing rude boy or what's my name.”

No because she's singing Peacock and I Kissed A Girl instead....:S

Leona has good songs...Outta My Head could have been a hit, Glass Heart sounds like a hit, and Trouble from the rumours sounds awesome too...

It's Syco and their f**ked up promotion that is the problem.
iseloid
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by Boxfresh:
“Nope. Go back and read the first page.

Alex was first brought up by a Leona supporte (mistakenly) claiming she'd only sold 700,000 copies of Overcome off the back of 5 singles, as opposed to Leona's second album sales of 650,000 from two singles. Basically, Alex was brought up by a Leona fan, with mistaken information, in an attempt to make her second era seem more succesful than Alex's first era..

But don't let reality get in the way off you slagging off Burkey”

Glad someone said that. No one can shut us up, Lord...we're all mega stans of whoever
Dave0893
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“No because she's singing Peacock and I Kissed A Girl instead....:S

Leona has good songs...Outta My Head could have been a hit, Glass Heart sounds like a hit, and Trouble from the rumours sounds awesome too...

It's Syco and their f**ked up promotion that is the problem.”

I really hope Leona leaves Syco as soon as her contract is up, but I dont know if she will, according to her she gets alot of freedom.

Does anyone know when she will have completed her contract?
iseloid
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“No because she's singing Peacock and I Kissed A Girl instead....:S

Leona has good songs...Outta My Head could have been a hit, Glass Heart sounds like a hit, and Trouble from the rumours sounds awesome too...

It's Syco and their f**ked up promotion that is the problem.”

LOOOL true. I thought the same about OMH, why was that NOT a lead single in the summer?? followed by happy in the autumn, and then stop crying your heart out, then broken, then cant breathe and then i got you. but Syco....*SMH* :sleep: what else can I say?
iseloid
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by Dave0893:
“I really hope Leona leaves Syco as soon as her contract is up, but I dont know if she will, according to her she gets alot of freedom.

Does anyone know when she will have completed her contract?”

I guess in 2 albums time, not including glassheart.
Zack06
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by Dave0893:
“I really hope Leona leaves Syco as soon as her contract is up, but I dont know if she will, according to her she gets alot of freedom.

Does anyone know when she will have completed her contract?”

Shayne and Matt also said this and look how it turned out for them.

Good luck to Leona, but I'm willing to bet that Syco will be the reason why her career ends, and this makes me so mad because she is one of the most talented and beautiful singers this country has ever had...she deserves better than this.
mm83
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“she was probably signed like all other winners besides leona; to a one album deal. and so when it expired, she could leave or opt for a co-sign to another sony label. and then it was arranged via her lawyers as it always is, to become an RCA artist after this album. its all business.”

Sorry that's not how it works. It's a 5 album deal that Syco has an option to renew after each album. It's not up to the artist. You are locked in for 5 albums unless you're either dropped or allowed to leave. That's pretty much a standard recording contract. No label will pump money into you just to see you leave after 1 album.
iseloid
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by mm83:
“Sorry that's not how it works. It's a 5 album deal that Syco has an option to renew after each album. It's not up to the artist. You are locked in for 5 albums unless you're either dropped or allowed to leave. That's pretty much a standard recording contract. No label will pump money into you just to see you leave after 1 album.”

Not all artists are signed to 5 album deals. It does happen most of the time. Madonna was initally signed for a two single deal, labels now put major money behind you, but years ago, they wouldnt take such a heavy gamble. Yes I know its a 5 album deal but obviously syco let alexandra alter her deal. strange though.
Anika Hanson
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“thats what I thought too. If a label dont renegotiate or do something to keep you, then they dont care about you. I don't think simon ever really wanted alexandra to be a big success at all. Leona is all he cares about. but now its all about 1D, Little mix and cher. leona is simply his poster girl for the show until something outdoes her and then he'll stop banging on about her.”

Simon never cared about Alex and I never expected him to go out on a limb for her. I'm so glad she has left because Simon was holding her back. Unbelievably it was Beyonce who helped Alex get her US deal, Not Simon. He didn't even try to get her anything, yet he shopped Shayne Ward around America trying to get him a deal.
Anika Hanson
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by mm83:
“Sorry that's not how it works. It's a 5 album deal that Syco has an option to renew after each album. It's not up to the artist. You are locked in for 5 albums unless you're either dropped or allowed to leave. That's pretty much a standard recording contract. No label will pump money into you just to see you leave after 1 album.”

Well I'm not sure if she's got a joint deal with Syco and RCA or she has left the label altogether but she was not dropped. She would have been kept on with the sales she had of her first album.
Boxfresh
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“Not all artists are signed to 5 album deals. It does happen most of the time. Madonna was initally signed for a two single deal, labels now put major money behind you, but years ago, they wouldnt take such a heavy gamble. Yes I know its a 5 album deal but obviously syco let alexandra alter her deal. strange though.”

Simon Cowell is a pragmatist. Alex is one off the most succesful and visible acts X-Factor has produced. And one of the most independent and outspoken. If she's made up her mind to leave, and is willing to start kicking up a stink in the press and media, then it will hurt the X-Factor "brand" big time. I don't think he needed or wanted that sort of bad press, especially with X-Factor US launching at the time.

I don't think Cowell wanted Alex off his label, but he doesn't want her becoming an enemy either. It's best for everyone if Alex goes off and becomes even more succesful elsewhere, as it helps the X-Factor brand, which is ultimately what Cowell cares most about, not individual record contracts. Cowell doesn't make any money at all off JLS, but he'll get them on X-Factor any chance he gets, because they are a big success and promote the "success" brand of the show.

There's no way he'd have Alex back as the first contestant to be a Judge, if he didn't know her value as a star and "brand" ambassador for X-Factor. I think Cowell actually appreciates Alex a lot more, now that she's gone, and he realises the likes of Cher Llyod won't be suitable replacements.

I actually think it's highly likely that if Alex has material to promote in America during the next season of US X-Factor, Simon will extend her an invite to perform on the show. Because she's one of the strongest talents the show has produced, and she represents the show well.
iseloid
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by Boxfresh:
“Simon Cowell is a pragmatist. Alex is one off the most succesful and visible acts X-Factor has produced. And one of the most independent and outspoken. If she's made up her mind to leave, and is willing to start kicking up a stink in the press and media, then it will hurt the X-Factor "brand" big time. I don't think he needed or wanted that sort of bad press, especially with X-Factor US launching at the time.

I don't think Cowell wanted Alex off his label, but he doesn't want her becoming an enemy either. It's best for everyone if Alex goes off and becomes even more succesful elsewhere, as it helps the X-Factor brand, which is ultimately what Cowell cares most about, not individual record contracts. Cowell doesn't make any money at all off JLS, but he'll get them on X-Factor any chance he gets, because they are a big success and promote the "success" brand of the show.

There's no way he'd have Alex back as the first contestant to be a Judge, if he didn't know her value as a star and "brand" ambassador for X-Factor. I think Cowell actually appreciates Alex a lot more, now that she's gone, and he realises the likes of Cher Llyod won't be suitable replacements.

I actually think it's highly likely that if Alex has material to promote in America during the next season of US X-Factor, Simon will extend her an invite to perform on the show. Because she's one of the strongest talents the show has produced, and she represents the show well.”

Oh yes I know all that too. She actually wasnt really vocal about the split and joining RCA. everyone still thinks she's on his label and as you said, her success is indirectly, his success. I expected her to me on the show this year in the US and UK but she's releasing Elephant in february.
iseloid
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by Anika Hanson:
“Simon never cared about Alex and I never expected him to go out on a limb for her. I'm so glad she has left because Simon was holding her back. Unbelievably it was Beyonce who helped Alex get her US deal, Not Simon. He didn't even try to get her anything, yet he shopped Shayne Ward around America trying to get him a deal.”

Yes, I know it was beyonce too. Sad that, Leona had a 5 album deal with J (RCA now) and simon got it for her. he wanted her to have some success, but oddly as he said himself, she's the best singer theyve had since leona. and a stunning contralto, and still didnt get anything for her. her and leona set the benchmark for talent and performance on the show. maybe alex decided to go to the USA with LP2 as its being done on her terms (ie executively produced by her). She's not a bitter person and so didnt go OTT with her split with them. I too am glad she's left.
Fatima502
19-12-2011
I think they were hoping that "Hurt" would do for her the same as "Make Me Feel Your Love" did for Adele this time last year. It hasn’t.
Rooftopcowboy
19-12-2011
I think it has got to a stage where the next single has to be of top drawer 'Bleeding Love' quality of her career is in the gutter.

I would stick my house on her getting a performance at the Olympics opening or closing ceremonies though, which is the biggest worldwide TV audience any artist will ever perform to.
MrIncredible
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by Rooftopcowboy:
“I think it has got to a stage where the next single has to be of top drawer 'Bleeding Love' quality of her career is in the gutter.

I would stick my house on her getting a performance at the Olympics opening or closing ceremonies though, which is the biggest worldwide TV audience any artist will ever perform to.”

Why would they want her at the Olympics?

Heather Small is more likely to be there than Leona imo.
staceyxxx23
19-12-2011
I think she's starting to get old and new people have come along now and taken her place
Rooftopcowboy
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by MrIncredible:
“Why would they want her at the Olympics?

Heather Small is more likely to be there than Leona imo.”

because she is from East London, she was chosen to perform in Britain's segment at the 2008 closing ceremony also.
MrIncredible
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by Rooftopcowboy:
“because she is from East London, she was chosen to perform in Britain's segment at the 2008 closing ceremony also.”

In 2008 her star was shining much brighter than it is now. Plus the 2008 segment was generally thought to be a complete shambles.
Dave0893
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by Fatima502:
“I think they were hoping that "Hurt" would do for her the same as "Make Me Feel Your Love" did for Adele this time last year. It hasn’t.”

I dont think they did, it would have been sent to radio and a video would have been made for it if that were the case.
Dynopia
19-12-2011
Glassheart will do very well if release as a single.
LeonalewisJfan
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“and overcome sold over 1m worldwide. about 780k here and 30k in ireland. so thats not too bad throughout europe to say that 100k was sold off the back of bad boys with a 2 week european promo trip. and that staggeringly low level of sales is poor due to *poor promo in the UK*. after broken heels which peaked in jan 2010,they didnt put out another single till mid may. BIG MISTAKE. the silence could've gone to number one in late march (debut week) as Alex was still red hot as the new XF winner with an album out/returning winner (if you get me). but they used the silence for the re-release; I'd have preferred her to have used overcome (the bridge has a more powerful belt - but thats by the by - and going off topic.)

spirit had all the promo in the world. simons threw everything into it, but technically it wasn't ALL that.

6m sold WW, and only 1m of that was in the USA, and 3m was in the UK, compare that to 21 (I know its been mental, but 4m sold in the US, and it outsold spirit in the same amount of time Spirit was a hot album.

a song cant make people love you. it has to be something about you. and leona (lovely girl) but she has no X factor. only the voice, and loads of classical singers have voices like hers. being classically trained, she got lucky entering a national comp where the average joe was the competition. simples.she's brilliant, but spirit (vocally) is her potential. she has no room for growth and thats the problem.

without the XF to launch glassheart it could help leona and alex so to speak. leona needs good charting material. stuff that can sell in the USA. and it'll sell here due to her name. but without that she'll flop. she wont be dropped as simon needs her name.

in short; balladeers always sell like spirit did (adele, whit, mariah, celine etc). Pop artists dont.”

Atleast get your facts right.. Spirit has sold over 7m worldwide, Echo 2.5m..
MrIncredible
19-12-2011
Originally Posted by LeonalewisJfan:
“Atleast get your facts right.. Spirit has sold over 7m worldwide, Echo 2.5m..”

Where does this mythical 2.5m figure come from?

It has sold just over 600k in the UK and barely 150k in the US.

So where does the other 1.75 million come from?
beanbean
19-12-2011
i think the problem with Leona is people constantly give her "covers " to sing. Yes she's got a great voice and she does the covers justice but she needs to be more like Adele, Amy whinehouse etc.. and write her own songs to be seen as credible.
Olly and Rebecca are doing it, she should follow lead because people get sick of acts that always sing covers no matter how good their voice is.
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