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Old 21-12-2011, 01:00
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What kind of quality is that? Personally I don't think she can command the stage very well. I've watched the Labyrinth tour and I found myself getting distracted quite a bit. Some artists I watch and I can't take my eyes off them.
Well some artists just don't bother to sing if they have to move about. Leona was maintaining fantastic vocals while moving, and it is actually hard to sing and look energetic at the same time, so it's great that she doesn't need to mime.
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Old 21-12-2011, 01:01
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I think some of you are being too harsh on Leona herself. It's SyCo you should be ranting about: They opened a fresh pint of milk and didn't put it back in the fridge.
She's hardly a pint of milk.
You can do different things involving milk. Make drinks, make ice cream, add it to other drinks, make sauces, make cakes, make bread, limitless options.
What hey got was more like a poppadom
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Old 21-12-2011, 01:03
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This is a poor justification. Yes, the chart climate changes constantly, but to blame Leona's utterly overwhelmingly poor second album sales on that is laughable. The album "flopped" (not a term I'm fond of) because the goods were not adequate.


That doesn't mean she wasn't aiming for it to be successful. You can dress it up anyway you want, but the true story behind the EP is obvious. After the somewhat lacking performance of 'Collide', SyCo would have been worried about the eventual performance of GlassHeart (which had a slated release date by this point) and so the album was thrown in the air once more to get some more clearly needed work done on it. And before someone starts on at me about 'Collide' being a summer, promotional single to create buzz, I urge you to think before you run your mouth. Club tracks have plagued the charts this year, SyCo were just trying to make Leona more appealing in the current wave. It didn't really mesh, unfortunately.
The Hurt EP is nothing more than SyCo saying "Hey, she's not dead! She's as relevent as she was 2 years ago!" Why do you think Hurt was even selected as a cover for her? SyCo are trying to recapture the magic of 'Run', but unfortunately it just hasn't worked.


Hurt is a very famous song, that's why its selling (though arguably the majority seem to be offended by the cover), and on top of that Leona is a very, very talented vocalist. I don't like her music, but I'd buy an album for her voice. Do you think Mariah Carey got where she is through just her song writing?
As for those examples, The Saturdays have always been very hit and miss, and the reviews for Pixie's album were overwhelmingly negative. I was looking forward to Pixie's album, I think 'Turn It Up' is great, however I still haven't bought it to this day because of the reviews. It's her loyal fans that got it to #18.
'All About Tonight' is a cracker though isn't it. Love it.

I wonder whether the public are 'sick' of almost being told what too like / who too like. When I think of the tracks I have liked this year, most have been slow burners. I am thinking 'Feels Like Jagger'. A track with balls and energy.

Very few people buy music because it is by a particular singer. If the song is great, people will buy it regardless.
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Old 21-12-2011, 01:05
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'All About Tonight' is a cracker though isn't it. Love it.

I wonder whether the public are 'sick' of almost being told what too like / who too like. When I think of the tracks I have liked this year, most have been slow burners. I am thinking 'Feels Like Jagger'. A track with balls and energy.

Very few people buy music because it is by a particular singer. If the song is great, people will buy it regardless.
I love All About Tonight too, it deserved a #1 imo...her second single did not. I assume you mean 'Moves Like Jagger'?
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Old 21-12-2011, 01:09
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How can you say little promotion when she sung Hurt on the X Factor, about 12 million viewers, and Royal Variety, just shy of 7 million viewers, on week of release?
Performing in front of an audience of 19 million is a pretty stealth tactic.
Yes it is great platform for a song but that was on Saturday, and it recieved a boost on Wednesday, but for a song to continue selling it needs video play and radio support, which Hurt did not have, that is why she got to #2 on iTunes itinially but then started falling.

Same with Collide, the Avicii situation harmed her and radio werent as supportive, and she only performed on Red Or Black, but still achieved a number 4 hit, so she still has a good fanbase.
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Old 21-12-2011, 01:09
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Well some artists just don't bother to sing if they have to move about. Leona was maintaining fantastic vocals while moving, and it is actually hard to sing and look energetic at the same time, so it's great that she doesn't need to mime.
The tour DVD was dubbed. Of course she's going to sound like the choir of angels.
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Old 21-12-2011, 01:11
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The tour DVD was dubbed. Of course she's going to sound great.
I went to her show live at the O2 as well and she was excellent. Leona's vocals are faultless...even with some of her routines she still sounded amazing...

I'd much rather that than a clinical mimed performance where the vocals take a backseat.
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Old 21-12-2011, 01:13
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She's hardly a pint of milk.
You can do different things involving milk. Make drinks, make ice cream, add it to other drinks, make sauces, make cakes, make bread, limitless options.
What hey got was more like a poppadom
I gave some videos on the previous page that proves Leona is capable of more than ballads and is versatile.
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Old 21-12-2011, 01:14
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How do you know she wasn't miming anything? Obviously she was singing live, but all artists mime things here and there - the bigger belts, the highest notes. If Leona was to sing all her performances live she'd damage her voice beyond repair.
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Old 21-12-2011, 01:14
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I love All About Tonight too, it deserved a #1 imo...her second single did not. I assume you mean 'Moves Like Jagger'?
That too!

I think I might have just given them their next hit.

The track is the only thing that matters. Is it catchy? Has it got killer hooks? Pulsating rhythms? Thumping beats? Does it take you on an emotional journey?

It is actually really difficult to write a successful pop song.
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Old 21-12-2011, 01:16
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Yes it is great platform for a song but that was on Saturday, and it recieved a boost on Wednesday, but for a song to continue selling it needs video play and radio support, which Hurt did not have, that is why she got to #2 on iTunes itinially but then started falling.

Same with Collide, the Avicii situation harmed her and radio werent as supportive, and she only performed on Red Or Black, but still achieved a number 4 hit, so she still has a good fanbase.
I wasn't impressed re: the Avicii debarkle. I love the Avicii instrumental mind.
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Old 21-12-2011, 01:17
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I gave some videos on the previous page that proves Leona is capable of more than ballads and is versatile.
No one was saying she isn't adaptable, I was pointing out that SyCo don't let her do anything she's capable of. I know she's versatile, but she ain't showing it.
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Old 21-12-2011, 01:18
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Yes it is great platform for a song but that was on Saturday, and it recieved a boost on Wednesday, but for a song to continue selling it needs video play and radio support, which Hurt did not have, that is why she got to #2 on iTunes itinially but then started falling.

Same with Collide, the Avicii situation harmed her and radio werent as supportive, and she only performed on Red Or Black, but still achieved a number 4 hit, so she still has a good fanbase.
I wouldn't call 28'000 a good fan base.
If that single was selling at 79p they made a little over twenty grand on that record. Before iTunes take their cut. Oh and the producers, oh and writers, oh and record label.
So after performing in front of 19 million people she'll get enough to get a happy meal and a shake.
Not really much to 'base' anything on is it?
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Old 21-12-2011, 01:21
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How do you know she wasn't miming anything? Obviously she was singing live, but all artists mime things here and there - the bigger belts, the highest notes. If Leona was to sing all her performances live she'd damage her voice beyond repair.
Obviously she had some backing vocals and stopped sing during parts of songs, but all the belts and falsettos and whistle notes were live...she is a very competent live performer for sure.
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Old 21-12-2011, 01:32
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I wouldn't call 28'000 a good fan base.
If that single was selling at 79p they made a little over twenty grand on that record. Before iTunes take their cut. Oh and the producers, oh and writers, oh and record label.
So after performing in front of 19 million people she'll get enough to get a happy meal and a shake.
Not really much to 'base' anything on is it?
Again for a song to continue selling they need radio support and their video's played on the music channels, sometimes songs take more than a couple of listens to click with people. While I personally like Hurt it was slated, so it still did well considering the amount of hate it was generating.
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Old 21-12-2011, 01:34
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No one was saying she isn't adaptable, I was pointing out that SyCo don't let her do anything she's capable of. I know she's versatile, but she ain't showing it.
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She's hardly a pint of milk.
You can do different things involving milk. Make drinks, make ice cream, add it to other drinks, make sauces, make cakes, make bread, limitless options.
What hey got was more like a poppadom
Ok here is the comment I quoted, how is that not saying she isnt versatile?
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Old 21-12-2011, 01:45
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...all the belts and falsettos and whistle notes were live...
See, it is all the above business I can't be doing with. I call it...'Doing A Mariah'...all the mucking about...the vocal gymnastics. Why sing 53 notes when one will do? Greedy I reckon...

I still maintain that shows like The X Factor are not the place to be if you want a long, successful career.

In all honesty, I suppose it is different strokes for different folks...ay.
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Old 21-12-2011, 02:24
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leona - leave syco. follow alex and get out. its not hard to have a mind of your own. misha b showed us that this year on the show. leona shouldnt take no shizzle from simon to say she's his biggest earner. echo could have been better. compare it to beyonce's 4 and see the difference. 4 isnt mainstream but the quality is there and its a great album live. echo was not great, as the critics said.

vocally leona nails it (moreso because of her range, than voice) but is slayed in the performance dept. by alex. alex doesnt have the range but easily has the power and soul..and is executively producing LP2, why did leona not do this? half of me thinks she has no idea how to be a star. its only her voice that got her attention and nothing else. and having a pitch perfect voice isnt enough. wooh - enough said. use your brain. its free.
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Old 21-12-2011, 02:29
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leona - leave syco. follow alex and get out. its not hard to have a mind of your own. misha b showed us that this year on the show. leona shouldnt take no shizzle from simon to say she's his biggest earner. echo could have been better. compare it to beyonce's 4 and see the difference. 4 isnt mainstream but the quality is there and its a great album live. echo was not great, as the critics said.
to be honest, i am not sure any of that is technically true.
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Old 21-12-2011, 02:44
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to be honest, i am not sure any of that is technically true.
what having a mind of your own? or the misha b bit? misha did show she wasnt going to change (before bullygate). leona cant leave, I know shes stuck with a multi album deal, but she should attempt to have an album that will sell well because of its quality, not just off the back of one song.

misha does have a mind of her own - none of the x factor producers would have arranged rolling in the deep or tainted love like that. think about how they've arranged tracks in the past. she also wrote her own raps too. leona has the voice but nothing else to offer. and mariah wrote/co-wrote every song (besides the covers) on her albums, leona hasn't done that - neither has alex or any of the others bar matt/rebecca. leona has a voice to offer but nothing else, and in todays climate, reaching the top of the hot 100 for her is a dream.
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Old 21-12-2011, 02:57
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what having a mind of your own? or the misha b bit? misha did show she wasnt going to change (before bullygate). leona cant leave, I know shes stuck with a multi album deal, but she should attempt to have an album that will sell well because of its quality, not just off the back of one song.

misha does have a mind of her own - none of the x factor producers would have arranged rolling in the deep or tainted love like that. think about how they've arranged tracks in the past. she also wrote her own raps too. leona has the voice but nothing else to offer. and mariah wrote/co-wrote every song (besides the covers) on her albums, leona hasn't done that - neither has alex or any of the others bar matt/rebecca. leona has a voice to offer but nothing else, and in todays climate, reaching the top of the hot 100 for her is a dream.
what about the terribly contrived `i have nothing` performance? also, i am not completely convinced alexandra `left` syco.
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Old 21-12-2011, 03:08
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what about the terribly contrived `i have nothing` performance? also, i am not completely convinced alexandra `left` syco.
I think she did, but she's quite polite about the whole thing. A joint deal was the best and less obvious way out. She knew she'd be dropped otherwise. Misha and I have nothing *sigh* Not her choice I dont think, Kelly chose that for her. In terms of song choice its been Kelly like any mentor, but misha's played with the songs and arranged them to her benefit (as some say Kelly spent more time with her; no - maybe misha knows what to do to entertain - unlike her other female rivals?)

Maybe with alex it meant she had a good 2nd album with less pressure from syco. they were nice as she's technically leaving them, so the next LP ought to do well so they get a good cut. We'll never know. Interesting how only David mentioned the split and not Alex herself. She seems to have a lot of respect for simon and is quite smart too.
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Old 21-12-2011, 03:19
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I think she did, but she's quite polite about the whole thing. A joint deal was the best and less obvious way out. She knew she'd be dropped otherwise. Misha and I have nothing *sigh* Not her choice I dont think, Kelly chose that for her. In terms of song choice its been Kelly like any mentor, but misha's played with the songs and arranged them to her benefit (as some say Kelly spent more time with her; no - maybe misha knows what to do to entertain - unlike her other female rivals?)

Maybe with alex it meant she had a good 2nd album with less pressure from syco. they were nice as she's technically leaving them, so the next LP ought to do well so they get a good cut. We'll never know. Interesting how only David mentioned the split and not Alex herself. She seems to have a lot of respect for simon and is quite smart too.
she has been hinting herself that she`s left syco and maybe it is true. i will hold my hands up and say i was wrong if that`s really the case. the single drops early next year so we will all find out for sure. i think she`s great anyway.

with misha, again she has lot of technical expertise. i just cant warm to her on a personal level not the way i can with alex and leona. i think that was what the whole `i have nothing` week was all about to be honest.
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Old 21-12-2011, 03:26
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she has been hinting herself that she`s left syco and maybe it is true. i will hold my hands up and say i was wrong if that`s really the case. the single drops early next year so we will all find out for sure. i think she`s great anyway.

with misha, again she has lot of technical expertise. i just cant warm to her on a personal level not the way i can with alex and leona. i think that was what the whole `i have nothing` week was all about to be honest.
no worries. you speak a lot of truth
we don't know as alex is really really private (taking a good leaf out of beyonce's book - she had a boyfriend since 2009 even through that 'boyfriend ban' business) she uses twitter a lot, but of course, she's a businesswoman, and protects her interests. Misha, i felt sorry for, attacked for being her. and the bully thing, louis should have kept his mouth shut-saying what he did at his age (overconfident, and a bully) not necessary and he should have been reprimanded - which I suspect he was. We'll se with 'Elephant' was Alex has to offer. I've been stanning for too long for her to let me down. Seriously. And If LP2 flops, she always has 'Overcome' to push in the US!
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Old 21-12-2011, 03:40
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no worries. you speak a lot of truth
we don't know as alex is really really private (taking a good leaf out of beyonce's book - she had a boyfriend since 2009 even through that 'boyfriend ban' business) she uses twitter a lot, but of course, she's a businesswoman, and protects her interests. Misha, i felt sorry for, attacked for being her. and the bully thing, louis should have kept his mouth shut-saying what he did at his age (overconfident, and a bully) not necessary and he should have been reprimanded - which I suspect he was. We'll se with 'Elephant' was Alex has to offer. I've been stanning for too long for her to let me down. Seriously. And If LP2 flops, she always has 'Overcome' to push in the US!
its not the whole `bully` thing that put me off her though. i just didn't feel the warmth from her at all. kind of too business like, too confident. i would never deny her talent though. there was that thread about her `who you are` performance and i was active there too. while technically she killed it, she really did. i still prefer jessie singing the song. the connection jessie has with the song and the video is so striking, its her song. period.

i am really excited for alex and leona`s returns next year. both projects could be really great for the both of them.
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