[Ash_735]

Originally Posted by rosetech

The vita supports official homebrew via ps-suite No need to hack it, Sony have already indicated the vita will have similar SDK to that of Android and IOS devices, so anyone can start developing apps (for Vita and any devices which support ps-suite - which may include the PS3).

Haha, you think Hackers give a crap about Official Support and Tools, no, that's just a cover story.

[misawa97]

Originally Posted by jjesso123

Its hard to tell why Sony have chosen to this, apparently from them its to do with supper fast cards, still does not explain the cost as I can't see them being any faster then class 10 SD's, or even why they could noy include 4gb card.

In my opinion I think Sony are really going to struggle, Its £284.97 for a 16gb Memory card, vita ,UC in amazon.

Too much. The early adopters will get it but its gonna Struggle. £285 plus a couple games like £350.

After the PSP go disaster I think Sony may of messed up again.

I really think once you go over £199 for a handheld people are reluctant to pay. Nintendo saw this with the 3ds.

[Fried Kickin]

Originally Posted by misawa97

Too much. The early adopters will get it but its gonna Struggle. £285 plus a couple games like £350.

After the PSP go disaster I think Sony may of messed up again.

I really think once you go over £199 for a handheld people are reluctant to pay. Nintendo saw this with the 3ds.

I'm beginning to get the feeling that dedicated handheld consoles are yesterdays toys now.
A phone that provides a quick 5-10 mins of gaming when you are a bit bored is enough to keep most people happy.
Serious gaming is the domain of the under the tv consoles and PC's.

[misawa97]

Originally Posted by Fried Kickin

I'm beginning to get the feeling that dedicated handheld consoles are yesterdays toys now.
A phone that provides a quick 5-10 mins of gaming when you are a bit bored is enough to keep most people happy.
Serious gaming is the domain of the under the tv consoles and PC's.

Well the popularity of smart phone gaming is a blow to the industry. Its changed the landscape and people are used to paying 99p for a game. Its not my thing as I can't dig the controls!!

Saying that though people will pay for quality. Just look at the sales of Mario 3d land and Mario Katy 7. People will buy quality and the reality is smartphones do not give you that experience. Handhelds can still sell as long as the price is right and they have must have software. What we wont see now is a handheld as successful as original DS.

I think if Sony go down the route of trying to push playing ps3 quality game on a handheld they could lose. Do people really want uncharted or cod on a handheld when they can already play it on there home console.

Sony are going to have to come with fresh original software which can only be played on the vita.

Sony losing monster hunter is a massive. That game alone saved the PSP in Japan but now Nintendo have it for the 3ds.

[Conroy]

Neither Capcom nor Nintendo have confirmed that MH4 is a 3DS exclusive, it just hasn't been announced for the Vita, but no new MH title for the Vita would be a huge blow in Japan especially as the series originated on the PlayStation.

[MartinImber]

Appendicitis

I was in hospital for a week and I played a lot of Motorstorm Arctic Edge, hand helds are here for at least another generation

[MD1500]

I've heard a lot of people say that the Vita didn't sell well this week because the more popular wi-fi only version was sold out, so I visited the Japanese version of Amazon via Google Translate to check.

http://bit.ly/w0wt9p

In Stock. Availability This title is, Amazon is selling, and more. Gift wrapping is available.
2012/1/3 delivered on Tuesday!

Sorry for the Japlish, but you get the idea...

[jjesso123]

Originally Posted by MD1500

I've heard a lot of people say that the Vita didn't sell well this week because they were sold out, so I visited the Japanese version of Amazon via Google Translate to check.

http://bit.ly/w0wt9p



Sorry for the Japlish, but you get the idea...

Well Sony skipped an extra 500K or so units to shops so there is no doubt it did not sell due it selling out. I think ot failed to attract to Japanese market.

[MD1500]

If you scroll down that page, some of the user reviews make for interesting reading, but of course, they're all in slightly mangled English.

[CSI-uk]

It should've being out before Christmas like in Japan.

[misawa97]

Originally Posted by Conroy

Neither Capcom nor Nintendo have confirmed that MH4 is a 3DS exclusive, it just hasn't been announced for the Vita, but no new MH title for the Vita would be a huge blow in Japan especially as the series originated on the PlayStation.

It will be a timed exclusive at minimum.

[alanwarwic]

You really need to compare technology when looking at prices.

Apart from the innovative screen the 3DS looks 'cheap and cheerful' compared to the cutting edge Vita.
Can the 3G Vita version make phone calls?

Did not the 3DS not also sell 400,000 in the first week yet only a million in 2 months for its Japan release?

[jjesso123]

Originally Posted by alanwarwic

You really need to compare technology when looking at prices.

Apart from the innovative screen the 3DS looks 'cheap and cheerful' compared to the cutting edge Vita.
Can the 3G Vita version make phone calls?

Did not the 3DS not also sell 400,000 in the first week yet only a million in 2 months for its Japan release?

I was trying to explain that on other page however got pegged fanboy

However, I do feel the back touch pad is pointless, I don't know if I'm alone on this I can only see it being annoying, maybe something will show otherwise.

No the vita can't make phone calls. Imagine the battery life if it could.

Not to sure, but 3ds has sold amazingly now its got price drop.

[alanwarwic]

Battery life should be great when you consider what's inside.

It is a bit of a missed opportunity not to have the Vita Smartgamer.
I do wonder if Samsung vetoed it.

[Numa]

Some of you would consider me a Sony fan boy; I had a PS1, bought PS2 2 weeks after launch, PSP on launch day, a PS3 2 days of UK launch. I have a Sony Bravia, Sony 5.1 sound system, my alarm clock in Sony, my daughters iPod dock is Sony (mines Bose ) .. I like Sony products. Strange really, I work for Hitachi !

Anyway, I will not be buying a Vita on launch. I've been urmring and arhing about it for a while now and made the decision that its way over priced once you add the cost of memory cards and a game.

Sony have made a right royal ball-up with the cost of their memory cards, they should at least put a 4gig stick in with it as standard.

With the iPhone and iPad (which I have both) people have been used to paying significantly less for gaming on the move. The days of paying £30.00 for a mobile game; not matter how good it plays or looks are gone.

I will be holding off buying one for 6 months, I foresee a quick and steep price drop in its near future and after paying over £500 for my PS3 days after it’s launch only to see it reduced 4 months later I will not be caught again.

I'm willing to pay £220.00 with a 4gig stick and 1 game of my choice bundled. I reckon by my birthday in July that's what they'll be,

[Conroy]

Retailers can sell products at pretty much any price they want. The PS3 got its first official price cut when the 60GB was discontinued and replaced with the 80GB not before.

As for the Vita, I don't see it getting an official price drop until it has been out for at least 9 months (obviously that doesn't stop retailers from selling it cheap like they were doing at the 3DS launch). Before the Japan RRP was announced, people were expecting the Vita to cost upwards of £300. When it was given the same RRP as the 3DS, people started to ask why/how Nintendo could justify that price for the 3DS.

Nintendo knew it couldn't justify its price point on the shelves next to the Vita so they had to give it a more reasonable price. If retailers want to reduce the price of the Vita then that's great (especially for my wallet), but we shouldn't immediately expect Sony to reduce the price just because the competition grossly over priced their product intially.

There will always be a market for dedicated handheld gaming but people seem to focus on only one part of the differing pricing strategies (the price of games) and conveniently ignore everything else. So you can get iOS games for under £3 but how much does the phone cost and how long until your device becomes outdated and has to be upgraded because it cannot play the latest iOS titles?

People complain about the cost of a Vita and a 16GB (or a 32GB) memory card but how much does a new 16/32GB iPhone 4S or iPad 2 cost?

If the Vita lasts for 5yrs, how much will it cost for you to run your iPhone for the same period of time?

Is the gaming experience better than what the Vita offers? Can gaming on a mobile/tablet even match what the Vita offers?

Some people seem to have a problem with the Vita being viewed as a portable PS3 but seem to fine with Nintendo doing the same/similar with Zelda, Star Fox, Mario Kart, Resident Evil, Street Fighter, Metal Gear Solid and a few other franchises which all got their start on home consoles.

[ags_rule]

Originally Posted by Conroy

Some people seem to have a problem with the Vita being viewed as a portable PS3 but seem to fine with Nintendo doing the same/similar with Zelda, Star Fox, Mario Kart, Resident Evil, Street Fighter, Metal Gear Solid and a few other franchises which all got their start on home consoles.

I think the difference is that the games made for Nintendo handhelds are programmed with handheld gaming in mind, and the addition of a touchpad (since the DS) and now 3D effects it is much easier to make it a unique experience on an Nintendo console. An Nintendo handheld offers you an experience that cannot be replicated on any other gaming device.

Compare this to the PSP. I own one myself and think the technology was fantastic, but ultimately, the games that were being released could just as easily have been released on the PS2. And that is exactly what happened. Virtually every successful PSP title was re-released on the bigger brother; all the GTA titles were, and even the two God Of War titles - arguably the most important PSP exclusives the system had - were remastered in HD for the PS3.

Now, I don't know if Sony are going to get cold feet again this time and we'll end up seeing the Vita Uncharted game on PS3 within a year, but it certainly would not surprise me if the same pattern emerged.

[thomas2400]

Am hoping for a good deal when this launches so i will be pre ordering when i get some money

just an example of the deals that can be had at retail is,

Me and a friend went to get our 3DS at a midnight launch, the advertised price being about £200 i think for the 3DS yet after i queuing up with my friend he left with a 3DS and a game for £180 and i left with a 3DS + 4 games and a carry case for £240

this was in game as well a store that many people on here call rip offs

My honest advice if you are interested find the best deal in store or online and ask game to beat it that's what we did and ended up with such great deals

[alanwarwic]

Conroy is right about that price.

It has what should be an early 'Apple A6' and a bigged up Super Amoled Plus.
So it already looks great value in the scheme of things. Of course it does not stop sellers having decent margins they can cut,

[Numa]

My biggest gripe is the fact that you have to spend £230 on a console, and then you have to spend another £15.00+ just to make it work.

It’s a bit like buying a PS3 and then having to buy a controller separately.

A 4gig stick should be part of the £230.00

And £40.00 for a portable game, just not going to work anymore.

I really want one, I can easily afford one, but I’m not prepared to be ripped off.

Until the price of games drop dramatically the 3DS and Vita will never reach anywhere near the sales numbers of the DS or PSP.

[jjesso123]

Originally Posted by Conroy

Retailers can sell products at pretty much any price they want. The PS3 got its first official price cut when the 60GB was discontinued and replaced with the 80GB not before.

As for the Vita, I don't see it getting an official price drop until it has been out for at least 9 months (obviously that doesn't stop retailers from selling it cheap like they were doing at the 3DS launch). Before the Japan RRP was announced, people were expecting the Vita to cost upwards of £300. When it was given the same RRP as the 3DS, people started to ask why/how Nintendo could justify that price for the 3DS.

Nintendo knew it couldn't justify its price point on the shelves next to the Vita so they had to give it a more reasonable price. If retailers want to reduce the price of the Vita then that's great (especially for my wallet), but we shouldn't immediately expect Sony to reduce the price just because the competition grossly over priced their product intially.

There will always be a market for dedicated handheld gaming but people seem to focus on only one part of the differing pricing strategies (the price of games) and conveniently ignore everything else. So you can get iOS games for under £3 but how much does the phone cost and how long until your device becomes outdated and has to be upgraded because it cannot play the latest iOS titles?

People complain about the cost of a Vita and a 16GB (or a 32GB) memory card but how much does a new 16/32GB iPhone 4S or iPad 2 cost?

If the Vita lasts for 5yrs, how much will it cost for you to run your iPhone for the same period of time?

Is the gaming experience better than what the Vita offers? Can gaming on a mobile/tablet even match what the Vita offers?

Some people seem to have a problem with the Vita being viewed as a portable PS3 but seem to fine with Nintendo doing the same/similar with Zelda, Star Fox, Mario Kart, Resident Evil, Street Fighter, Metal Gear Solid and a few other franchises which all got their start on home consoles.

Looks like they could be doing just that in japan.

http://ps3gens.com/2012/01/05/ps-vit...nly-20000-yen/

Originally Posted by Numa

My biggest gripe is the fact that you have to spend £230 on a console, and then you have to spend another £15.00+ just to make it work.

It’s a bit like buying a PS3 and then having to buy a controller separately.

A 4gig stick should be part of the £230.00

And £40.00 for a portable game, just not going to work anymore.

I really want one, I can easily afford one, but I’m not prepared to be ripped off.

Until the price of games drop dramatically the 3DS and Vita will never reach anywhere near the sales numbers of the DS or PSP.

I agree I don't think the game prices will stick at all, and sure the Chinese are working on making us some cheaper alternative memory cards. I think its just become common for early buyers to get ripped off.

[MartinImber]

Originally Posted by Numa

Some of you would consider me a Sony fan boy; I had a PS1, bought PS2 2 weeks after launch, PSP on launch day, a PS3 2 days of UK launch. I have a Sony Bravia, Sony 5.1 sound system, my alarm clock in Sony, my daughters iPod dock is Sony (mines Bose ) .. I like Sony products. Strange really, I work for Hitachi !

Anyway, I will not be buying a Vita on launch. I've been urmring and arhing about it for a while now and made the decision that its way over priced once you add the cost of memory cards and a game.

Sony have made a right royal ball-up with the cost of their memory cards, they should at least put a 4gig stick in with it as standard.

With the iPhone and iPad (which I have both) people have been used to paying significantly less for gaming on the move. The days of paying £30.00 for a mobile game; not matter how good it plays or looks are gone.

I will be holding off buying one for 6 months, I foresee a quick and steep price drop in its near future and after paying over £500 for my PS3 days after it’s launch only to see it reduced 4 months later I will not be caught again.

I'm willing to pay £220.00 with a 4gig stick and 1 game of my choice bundled. I reckon by my birthday in July that's what they'll be,

You fail as a Sony fanboy

A few Sony VCRs (proper ones with the smaller tapes and better PQ), had 4 Sony TVs, Sony video camera and portable, Sony camcorders.

Got a PMP a Sony Minidisc jobbie - it does me.

Got Pioneer DVD though and all Pioneer DVD drives

[Conroy]

Originally Posted by ags_rule

I think the difference is that the games made for Nintendo handhelds are programmed with handheld gaming in mind, and the addition of a touchpad (since the DS) and now 3D effects it is much easier to make it a unique experience on an Nintendo console. An Nintendo handheld offers you an experience that cannot be replicated on any other gaming device.

How are those games providing a unique experience (3D aside) impossible to replicate elsewhere (whether on a Wii or the upcoming 3D supported Wii U)?

Zelda is a remake of an N64 game.

Mario Kart... has it really changed since the SNES version?
Street Fighter 4... the less said the better considering how many versions and platforms it's available for.

I haven't seen any Super Mario 3D Land footage but is it completely different to every other Super Mario title that has been released in the last 16yrs and has been developed in such a way that it could not be replicated in any shape or form on a home console?

[misawa97]

Originally Posted by Conroy

How are those games providing a unique experience (3D aside) impossible to replicate elsewhere (whether on a Wii or the upcoming 3D supported Wii U)?

Zelda is a remake of an N64 game.

Mario Kart... has it really changed since the SNES version?
Street Fighter 4... the less said the better considering how many versions and platforms it's available for.

I haven't seen any Super Mario 3D Land footage but is it completely different to every other Super Mario title that has been released in the last 16yrs and has been developed in such a way that it could not be replicated in any shape or form on a home console?

The point is nintendo produce must play games which can only be played on there handhelds.

Mario 3D is incredible. Literally blows u away withe creativity produced in every single level.

With the iPhone and iPad (which I have both) people have been used to paying significantly less for gaming on the move. The days of paying £30.00 for a mobile game; not matter how good it plays or looks are gone.

People will pay for quality. Mario Kart 7 and Mario 3D land have sold over 1 mil in Japan. Price is not an issue as long as the quality is there.

As for the Vita, I don't see it getting an official price drop until it has been out for at least 9 months (obviously that doesn't stop retailers from selling it cheap like they were doing at the 3DS launch). Before the Japan RRP was announced, people were expecting the Vita to cost upwards of £300. When it was given the same RRP as the 3DS, people started to ask why/how Nintendo could justify that price for the 3DS.

Nintendo knew it couldn't justify its price point on the shelves next to the Vita so they had to give it a more reasonable price. If retailers want to reduce the price of the Vita then that's great (especially for my wallet), but we shouldn't immediately expect Sony to reduce the price just because the competition grossly over priced their product intially.

Hardware is as only good as the software. Nintendo dropped the price as it wasnt selling. It had nothing to do with the vita. They main reason the 3ds wasnt selling was down to lack of killer titles. The price was a factor but not the main reason. The 3DS is selling very well now cos it has killer titles.

42k vita's sold in Japan last week. Its getting lower. Is it priced to high? No it just doesnt have killer titles and people can buy a 3DS for cheaper and a machine which has must play games right now.

You really need to compare technology when looking at prices.

Apart from the innovative screen the 3DS looks 'cheap and cheerful' compared to the cutting edge Vita.
Can the 3G Vita version make phone calls?

Thats arguement doesnt work. Android tablets are cutting edge but guess what they are priced far too high. It does not matter how good they are as they are priced far too close to the dominant player which is Ipad.

I remember when the PSP came out and magazines like T3 said how bad the DS was in comparison. Many years later we see the DS is still a beast and sells like crazy. Software is what matters!!

[alanwarwic]

Originally Posted by Numa

Some of you would consider me a Sony fan boy

I very much doubt it.You work in sales then?

This Vita is quite like two iPhone 4S's inside complete with a massively improved Galaxy S2 screen on the outside.

Build costs have to be far more than the 4s. It is thus well priced already.