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Gumtree: Not a place to buy and sell animals
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Missjef
14-01-2012
Ad's like this break my heart - why on earth would a "break down in relationship" mean you had to sell your 9 month old husky, why couldn't one of them keep him?
http://www.gumtree.com/p/pets/full-p...-sale/94348385

I wish there was some kind of "vetting" system in place where people had to go through a registration process before getting a pet dog. Because i think it is just so so easy for people to buy puppies on websites like Gumtree - for example husky pups, because they are beautiful looking dogs, without realizing any of the hard work they take, so then they end up having to be rehomed...

I have a thing about huskys - we have a huskamute (husky x malamute) who we rehomed & the previous owners had just got him because they liked the film "whitefang" & they told us he only needed 1 walk a day -
As if!! luckily my step dad has had alaskan breeds of dog before so knew exactly what they were getting into with him, but he'd already been rehomed once before, so i think its especially breeds like this that are prone to going from home to home because people just don't seem to realise just how much effort it takes to look after them!

Also it really frustrates me that none of the people selling breeds like huskys on Gumtree put in the advert that they do need a LOT of exercise - which i think is something that should be pointed out.
Missjef
14-01-2012
just a question regarding Gumtree - when posts say the dog / puppy doesn't have papers, does that mean its likely a backyard breeder?
Missjef
14-01-2012
http://www.gumtree.com/p/pets/white-husky-pup/92945864 - 8 month old Husky for sale because " reason for sale is hes to much work for us unfortunally he needs alot of time" -
Did they not look into Huskys as a breed before getting him?!
does the fact that they are used as sled dogs.. not maybe lead to the conclusion that they might need a lot of walking....

I think i need to stop reading these ads before i explode with anger!!
cats_five
14-01-2012
Originally Posted by Missjef:
“just a question regarding Gumtree - when posts say the dog / puppy doesn't have papers, does that mean its likely a backyard breeder?”

With a young puppy yes, sometimes people lose their dog's papers.
StressMonkey
14-01-2012
Originally Posted by Missjef:
“just a question regarding Gumtree - when posts say the dog / puppy doesn't have papers, does that mean its likely a backyard breeder?”

Almost certainly - family 'pet' bred for a bit of cash with the nearest available dog of the same breed.

Some breeders sell their pups with the registration endorsed - which means if you breed from the pup you can't register the pups. This is to try to prevent BYBs and protect the breeders reputation. But it doesn't work as people are too happy to buy without papers - indeed it can be touted as a plus point by the unscrupulous - or buy 'designer' cross breeds.

But, being KC registered is absolutely no guarentee that they are not BYBs, just that they have used registered dogs, complied with the rules (dam's age, number of litters) and paid the registration fee.
Croctacus
14-01-2012
Originally Posted by Missjef:
“just a question regarding Gumtree - when posts say the dog / puppy doesn't have papers, does that mean its likely a backyard breeder?”

Its more likely that its not a full breed and is basically a mongrel that looks like something.
Soapoholic
16-01-2012
I had a look through Missjef and it made me feel really depressed.

I wish there was a vetting process as well, getting a pet should be a lot harder than it is now to stop selfish, irresponsible people having animals and treating them like toys.

What we can do for now is click on "Report" underneath any adverts that seem suspicious or cruel, Gumtree should then remove them.

The only thing is I wonder then what will happen to the animal concerned, i.e. if they can't "get rid" on Gumtree what will they do? I don't even want to think about it
Shadow2009
17-01-2012
If its any sort of comfort, the new owners to my puppy have been incredibly nice and send us pictures/videos every evening of her running around like mad with the tail wagging, and said we can visit whenever we like. Maybe we were just lucky in who we sold her to, who knows.
Missjef
17-01-2012
Originally Posted by Shadow2009:
“If its any sort of comfort, the new owners to my puppy have been incredibly nice and send us pictures/videos every evening of her running around like mad with the tail wagging, and said we can visit whenever we like. Maybe we were just lucky in who we sold her to, who knows.”

That is good to hear, it sounds like you were incredibly lucky & have ended up rehoming her to a caring home.
Mizzharrumph
18-01-2012
what worries me is the amount of small animals, hamsters, mice, rabbits that are offerred free and that are taken by 'nice people' who then feed their reptiles on them. I understand it is nature, but in my opinion, there are too many dangerous reptiles as pets, boa's pythons etc. there are always snakes passing through on gumtree and i feel deeply sorry for those also.

My other bugbear is the amount of rabbit breeding as a quick buck when centres are full of unwanted rabbits that are non-domesticated, often un-rehomeable because they only see the inside of an inadequate hutch at the bottom of a garden.

The excuses for hutches that pass for a tenner on gumtree is, sorry to use the word, but sickening. I have had 3 house-trained rabbits over the years and know how much they pee, need room to move and fresh water. The hutches i see cannot possibly offer the room and general quality of life that these beautiful animals deserve.

I try to write this to gumtree advertisers, but have never had a reply, but i hope to generate awareness in other ways too.

thanks for listening to my gumtree rant.
Garlic
19-01-2012
I am so angry after just looking on Gumtree again.

A guy from Lincoln has posted 5 adverts today, all within the last 6 hours...when you read them you will see why it has angered me!

The first he posted..."hi as i am a registered breeder and dog trainer i am fully qualified and able to offer short term boarding for dogs that are friendly of any shape or size at a small fee of £20 per day which will include walking, feeding and time to play with other animals i currently work in association with lincolnshire police many thanks paul green'
http://www.gumtree.com/p/pets/dog-carer/94937051

Second advert...'Hi i have some german shepard working dogs and am very muchly in need of some dog kennels and runs as i dont have much money i can only offer donations please help me out and ill make sure they are taken and used appropiatly'
http://www.gumtree.com/p/pets/dog-ke...eeded/94936810

Third advert...'Female Black pedigree no paperd long coat german shepard age 23weeks due to work commitments and long hours can no longer spend the time with her that she deserves welcome to all offers £400 worth every penny but willing to lower price to good people brilliant around animals and children she is adoreable needs to grow into her ears but other than that she is amazing'
http://www.gumtree.com/p/pets/black-...epard/94943297

Fourth advert... 'long coated black and gold sable pedigree male 1 years old boy named rocko for sale £300 as no papers but can see full pedigree due to commitments i can no longer look after my boy he is wormed vaccinated and house trained brilliant around animals and children hes like a big soft teddy bear please no time wasters £300 wont take more or less i paid £600'
http://www.gumtree.com/p/pets/gsd-boy/94945094

Most recent advert...'Dog de bordeux x German shepard puppys due in the next two weeks scan show 8 pups no idea of the sex of the pups at present wanting £200 per pup mum and father can both be seen all been around people and children'
http://www.gumtree.com/p/pets/beutif...-pups/94944994

I have reported all of the ads so hopefully they will be removed.

Obviously a greedy BYB! Why is he advertising his services as a do sitter yet selling his dogs as he 'doen't have time for them'???
Soapoholic
20-01-2012
Shadow, I am really pleased to hear that. There are some nice people out there and looks like you got lucky.

Mizzharrumph, I completely agree with everything you have said. In relation to rabbits in particular, they are very inquisitive, intelligent animals and it is absolutely disgraceful when they are confined to a inadequate hutch at the bottom of someone's garden with no stimulation. It really does make my blood boil.

I'm glad you write to the advertisers, they probably don't reply as they know what you are saying is true. Hopefully it gives them food for thought, you can also report adverts to Gumtree by clicking the "Report" button.

Garlic, I'm angry too after reading these. Did they get removed? I feel like writing to the cheeky b*****d and finding out what he is up to.
Garlic
20-01-2012
Originally Posted by Soapoholic:
“Shadow, I am really pleased to hear that. There are some nice people out there and looks like you got lucky.

Mizzharrumph, I completely agree with everything you have said. In relation to rabbits in particular, they are very inquisitive, intelligent animals and it is absolutely disgraceful when they are confined to a inadequate hutch at the bottom of someone's garden with no stimulation. It really does make my blood boil.

I'm glad you write to the advertisers, they probably don't reply as they know what you are saying is true. Hopefully it gives them food for thought, you can also report adverts to Gumtree by clicking the "Report" button.

Garlic, I'm angry too after reading these. Did they get removed? I feel like writing to the cheeky b*****d and finding out what he is up to.”

No they are still there. I'm tempted to ring to say i'm interested and then give the address to the RSPCA. Poor doggies
Shadow70
22-01-2012
Just read this today, and it made me think of this thread http://www.bluecross.org.uk/1752-962...t-online-.html

Quote:
“We’ve met with Gumtree, one of the biggest websites which sell pets online, to discuss our research.

While Gumtree does offer some guidelines for sellers and will remove ads if concerns are reported, the vast majority of entries are un-moderated.

We have made several recommendations to help them improve their self-regulation, services to customers and to spot rogue traders.”

Time will tell if they take notice of these recommendations.
RobbiesAngel
22-01-2012
I saw an advert this morning for a 10 week old Akita bitch - change in circumstances so can't keep her anymore. I had to send a message suggesting return to breeder or contact breed rescue. An Akita in the wrong hands doesn't bear thinking about.

In the past few weeks I've also seen a young adult cat that 'needs gone today', 2 Alaskan Malamutes 'grab a bargain at £400 for both', a young rottie that the owner doesn't have time for 'as i have 4 kids and other dogs and it's not fair on her' (did the kids and dogs just appear overnight?!), a teacup chihuahua £695 without papers, £950 with papers (yup, cos it costs £255 to register a pup with the KC), oh the list goes on and on.

One I saw last week did make me laugh out loud though - a 3 year old gerbil for £20! A gerbil of that age does not have long for this world and they are asking for twice the price of a baby one! Yeah, good luck with that. Am so tempted to message and see if it's still available
Missjef
22-01-2012
Originally Posted by RobbiesAngel:
“I saw an advert this morning for a 10 week old Akita bitch - change in circumstances so can't keep her anymore. I had to send a message suggesting return to breeder or contact breed rescue. An Akita in the wrong hands doesn't bear thinking about.

In the past few weeks I've also seen a young adult cat that 'needs gone today', 2 Alaskan Malamutes 'grab a bargain at £400 for both', a young rottie that the owner doesn't have time for 'as i have 4 kids and other dogs and it's not fair on her' (did the kids and dogs just appear overnight?!), a teacup chihuahua £695 without papers, £950 with papers (yup, cos it costs £255 to register a pup with the KC), oh the list goes on and on.

One I saw last week did make me laugh out loud though - a 3 year old gerbil for £20! A gerbil of that age does not have long for this world and they are asking for twice the price of a baby one! Yeah, good luck with that. Am so tempted to message and see if it's still available ”

Some of the adverts on Gumtree are just shocking. Especially the ones like you have pointed out above where it seems that kids / other pets have just appeared over night..

And no your right an Akita in the wrong hands just doesn't bear thinking about.

I've noticed as well a lot of pet adverts cropping up on local sales pages on facebook, and i always wonder why people are wanting rid of pets - like i've seen a lot of cats wanting new homes with things like "8 year old pair of cats must go ASAP" - i just don't know how anyone could just give away cats they've had for years to any old person on facebook.
Garlic
23-01-2012
Originally Posted by Soapoholic:
“Shadow, I am really pleased to hear that. There are some nice people out there and looks like you got lucky.

Mizzharrumph, I completely agree with everything you have said. In relation to rabbits in particular, they are very inquisitive, intelligent animals and it is absolutely disgraceful when they are confined to a inadequate hutch at the bottom of someone's garden with no stimulation. It really does make my blood boil.

I'm glad you write to the advertisers, they probably don't reply as they know what you are saying is true. Hopefully it gives them food for thought, you can also report adverts to Gumtree by clicking the "Report" button.

Garlic, I'm angry too after reading these. Did they get removed? I feel like writing to the cheeky b*****d and finding out what he is up to.”

He has posted up another advert today for the adult GSD and has added that she is 'a bit skinny as she has just been wormed'. As a GSD owner I feel so sad for these dogs as they need so much affection and time, it seems that they may just end up as gumtree dogs
Soapoholic
07-02-2012
Have just been reading about how dogs and cats advertised for free on sites like Gumtree are "rehomed" and then used as bait for dog fights. A cat recently "rehomed" via Gumtree was found, for want of a better phrase, ripped to shreds in a dustbin (the cat was microchipped hence was able to be identified) and a small Staffie was found wondering the street with severe injuries and nearly died after being used as bait for dog fights. Luckily she has survived and is being well looked after by an animal sanctuary. Gumtree wasn't mentioned in the latter case but I am using this instance to highlight just what can happen if pets are continued to be rehomed in this manner.

I have contacted Gumtree to ask why they continue to allow this to happen and as yet no response. Their discussions with The Blue Cross and The Dogs Trust seem to achieve nothing and the "advice" they put on their site is just being ignored.
Snappysnapsnap
07-02-2012
Reposted from Dogs Today Magazine's FB page


great news that the One Show are featuring this... reposted from Get Gumtree Animal Free
Hi all, we have been approached by the BBC with regards to a feature on The One Show requesting information and case studies with regards to the unscrupulous sale of dogs online. In particular they would like to hear from anyone who may have had a bad experience as a result of buying a dog/puppy online. Have you purchased a sick dog/puppy or have you taken on a dog/puppy described as a particular breed only to discover the dog is actually another breed? Any negative experiences would be worth passing on.
Could you email us at getgumtreeanimalfree@yahoo.co.uk
They are filming later this week or Monday next week. Please share.
Thanks.
sesmo
07-02-2012
Originally Posted by Soapoholic:
“Have just been reading about how dogs and cats advertised for free on sites like Gumtree are "rehomed" and then used as bait for dog fights. A cat recently "rehomed" via Gumtree was found, for want of a better phrase, ripped to shreds in a dustbin (the cat was microchipped hence was able to be identified) and a small Staffie was found wondering the street with severe injuries and nearly died after being used as bait for dog fights. Luckily she has survived and is being well looked after by an animal sanctuary. Gumtree wasn't mentioned in the latter case but I am using this instance to highlight just what can happen if pets are continued to be rehomed in this manner.

I have contacted Gumtree to ask why they continue to allow this to happen and as yet no response. Their discussions with The Blue Cross and The Dogs Trust seem to achieve nothing and the "advice" they put on their site is just being ignored.”

After reading a couple of the posts above, I was looking at Gumtree and found an ad placed by someone who said the same thing. If (and it's a big if) I was no longer able to look after the grumpy cat and I couldn't find anyone else who would have her out of friends, family and cat rescue organisations then I honestly think I'd rather have her put down than risk her ending up like this.

I really find some of those adverts sickening. Is there a petition anywhere or is there anyone to write to- other than Gumtree who seem to be sticking there heads in the sand.
SupernovaNebula
07-02-2012
Originally Posted by avasgranny:
“Mmmm someone looking to rehome their 9 year old cat. Why keep a pet that length of time then decide to get rid. I could see the point if the owner had died or something. ”

I don't understand it either, perhaps the owner is moving abroad or dying or found a new partner who is allergic to cats. Nothing in this world would make me give up our cat or dog. They're like my babies.
RobbiesAngel
08-02-2012
One I saw earlier today:

My little grey kitten called figo is looking for a new home, he's dark grey, litter trained, he's good around kids as I have 2 toddlers, I'm only re-homing him as my little girl is too rough with him

Looking for £40 ONO

If you want a pic tx me and I can send one


Now maybe it's just me, but I'd be educating my child on how to behave with/around animals rather than rehoming the pet.
Soapoholic
09-02-2012
Snappy, thanks for that. I am a member of Get Gumtree Animal Free on Facebook


Sesmo, there is a link to a petition here on my blog http://animalnewsflash.blogspot.com/...ds-animal.html there are also suggestions for other ways to help.

Supernova, I completely agree.

Robbies, yes I would too. Or why get a kitten in the first place if you aren't going to teach your child to be caring and gentle with animals
sesmo
09-02-2012
Soapoholic- thanks so much for that. Am signing it now. Will pass it on to other people as well. Just hope that someone there listens and puts a stop to it.

Do you think Trading Standards would do anything if it looks like a BYB?
Iqoniq
10-02-2012
Originally Posted by RobbiesAngel:
“I saw an advert this morning for a 10 week old Akita bitch - change in circumstances so can't keep her anymore. I had to send a message suggesting return to breeder or contact breed rescue. An Akita in the wrong hands doesn't bear thinking about.

In the past few weeks I've also seen a young adult cat that 'needs gone today', 2 Alaskan Malamutes 'grab a bargain at £400 for both', a young rottie that the owner doesn't have time for 'as i have 4 kids and other dogs and it's not fair on her' (did the kids and dogs just appear overnight?!), a teacup chihuahua £695 without papers, £950 with papers (yup, cos it costs £255 to register a pup with the KC), oh the list goes on and on.

One I saw last week did make me laugh out loud though - a 3 year old gerbil for £20! A gerbil of that age does not have long for this world and they are asking for twice the price of a baby one! Yeah, good luck with that. Am so tempted to message and see if it's still available ”

Aren't Akitas classed as a dangerous dog, which means you need some sort of special licence to own one? I may be getting it confused with another Japanese dog though.

As far as rehoming animals goes, I've noticed several sites on Facebook that try to do the same as Gumtree, but most of them seem to be for free (no payment, except for stuff like petrol if you need it delivered). No doubt they're set up by well meaning people, but get abused. I've heard some horror stories about people involved in dog fighting keeping an eye on these groups for dogs that may make good fighters or for dogs that would be a good animal to use for training their fighting dogs on.

A friend 'rescued' a 21-month, male Staffy through a group on Facebook (about 2 years ago) and the blurb it was advertised with was it was a good natured dog, great around kids,chipped and vaccinated, and all the usual stuff, but that it had been neutered, and was looking to be rehomed due to the previous owners having to move into a flat. Thankfully, it had been neutered which meant it was unattractive to BYBs or people looking to train dogs for fights, but as my friend was actually looking for a dog that had been neutered as she wasn't interested in breeding, finds the idea of two dogs fighting sickening, and when they're neutered they're also less aggressive (important when you have kids around a lot), she took an interest.

When the dog turned up everything 'seemed' normal. It was manic and excitable like Staffies are, was really adorable, and as I was actually staying at hers due to work at the time it didn't make me in the least bit nervous which is rare around dogs I don't know well. Within days the cracks began to show. If voices were raised (whether due to arguments or high spirits) the dog would actually find a corner and cower with it's tail between it's legs. If you tried to give it some fuss at random it just looked confused, even though it was all happy and waggy-tails when you came in. I've also never known a dog not to play "tug" with a bit of rope or dog toys. It also would wolf down any food you put in front of it in one go at a speed that meant it made itself sick, and we found out it was crawling with fleas. Add to that, the fact that it was needing to go to the loo every three hours, and if it couldn't when it wanted to it would make a mess (and look pretty pitiful afterwards) it looked like it hadn't even been house trained. This last point caused problems because myself and my friend had to take it in turns to have the dog sleep with us so we could let it out when it needed to go.

Getting rid of the fleas was relatively easy, but when it came to it getting it's jabs a few months in, my friend mentioned about the chip and the fact that any attempts to get the registered owner papers (or whatever they're called) from the original owners had failed, the vet ran a reader over the dog and found no chip. He guessed it hadn't even been jabbed and was possibly not as old as he was meant to be. From the looks of it, the dog had been mistreated and was probably passed on because of it's chewing (it would chew almost anything if it couldn't find it's toys), but Staffies generally chew simply because they can (yes, I know it's also a sign of boredom, but the dog was taken on walks three times a day) and they love mouthing things (I had a Staffy/Elkhound cross that wouldn't fall asleep unless he had my hand in his mouth and no, he never bit me by accident!).

It was not so much a retraining, but a rehabilitation. Even now the dog is still wary around raised voices although not to the point of cowering, and still occasionally gives in to easily when playing tug, but the house training was a breeze (took about 6 months before it was able to spend a full night). He will now let you give him belly rubs as long as he knows you, and has stopped eating a full bowl of food the second it's put in front of him. There has been some unexpected bonuses though. Due to his nature, you can take a bone from him without him snarling or trying to defend it, he's also quite obedient and not aggressive with other dogs, although will defend himself if he has to. He'd make a crap guard dog though, and would more likely just lick any intruders to death, although I will admit when I was playing rough and tumble with my mate's nephew, he did seem to be on alert and watching my intentions.

I suppose we should have picked up on the fact that within 2 minutes of the dog arriving the original owners asked whether my friend wanted him. The home check was basically just them trying to dump him on my friend. It was pretty sad really, because one thing we noticed was when they left he didn't even follow them to the door. He had plonked himself on the sofa, and when they went to pat him to say "goodbye" he seemed like he wasn't interested. We put that down to him realising what was happening and was just making his feelings known, although in hindsight he was probably just relieved. He's just been lucky that my friend had the patience and devotion she has, and that she's a nice person or I shudder to think where he could have ended up.

While I agree there should be some monitoring in place in regards to breeders and people looking to take in dogs, this would probably just drive it underground. I could also see people who have had animals that escaped and managed to mate just dumping the puppies or worse.
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