Is there anything Apple wont sue over?!!

Stiggles · 21-12-2011, 17:58

http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...e-patents.html

'Dec. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Apple Inc., which on Dec. 9 lost a bid to keep Samsung Electronics Co.’s Galaxy 10.1 tablet out of Australia, claims the case for the device and cases for Samsung phones infringe its patents and registered design.'

This is what i dislike about Apple and pretty much why i will never again buy one of their products.

chenks · 21-12-2011, 18:07

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

This is what i dislike about Apple and pretty much why i will never again buy one of their products.

you'd find that if it was HTC or Samsung that owned that patent and Apple had used it without licensing it, then you'd have HTC or Samsung suing Apple.

Blame the weird patent system, not the owner of the patent.

Stiggles · 21-12-2011, 18:10

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Originally Posted by chenks

you'd find that it it was HTC or Samsung that owned that patent and Apple had used it without licensing it, then you'd have HTC or Samsung suing Apple.

Blame the weird patent system, not the owner of the patent.

I do also blame the owner for being stupid enough to think they can patent a case.

Once again, idiocy.

chenks · 21-12-2011, 18:27

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

I do also blame the owner for being stupid enough to think they can patent a case.

Once again, idiocy.

again missing the point. it's the patent system that is flawed for allowing the patent to exist in the first place.

you can't blame any company for trying to protect something they think will give them an edge, the blame is in the system that allows them to do it.

HTC, Google, Microsoft, Apple, Samsung all own patents that are ridiculous. I assume you also boycott every one of these companies as they also sue people whilst protecting their patents.

alanwarwic · 21-12-2011, 18:41

The logical user chosen direction of Android is the mergering of the PC, tablet and smartphone technology.

Its simply not good for the bottom line of those who wish to control what we buy. Funnily enough it is no doubt Google's continued wish to control those who sell/advertise that led them to buy and develop Android.

DarthFader · 21-12-2011, 18:47

I am just glad Apple didn't invent the TV or we would only have one, under speced over pricd brand of televisions.

PJ

Inspiration · 21-12-2011, 18:53

Do we have only one brand of phone? Do we have only one brand of mp3 player? Do we have only one brand of computer?

chenks · 21-12-2011, 18:56

it's amazing how much hate people have for a company that has such a small market share!

alanwarwic · 21-12-2011, 18:58

Perception actually had near one brand of mp3 and near one brand of PC software.

The phone has now switched to nearly one brand, that being Android. Time is lagging on perception though.

chenks · 21-12-2011, 19:02

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

Perception actually had near one brand of mp3 and near one brand of PC software.

The phone has now switched to nearly one brand, that being Android. Time is lagging on perception though.

except Android isn't a "brand" of phone.

Stiggles · 21-12-2011, 19:06

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Originally Posted by chenks

again missing the point. it's the patent system that is flawed for allowing the patent to exist in the first place.

you can't blame any company for trying to protect something they think will give them an edge, the blame is in the system that allows them to do it.

HTC, Google, Microsoft, Apple, Samsung all own patents that are ridiculous. I assume you also boycott every one of these companies as they also sue people whilst protecting their patents.

Yes they do all have patents but i'm missing no point. Who the hell patents a case ffs and why is it only Samsung they are suing once again?

Apple really have it in for Samsung. I cant see any other reason for all the lies and nonsense apple are making up apart from sheer fear since Samsung is now the worlds biggest Smartphone producer and won phone of the year.

chenks · 21-12-2011, 19:09

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

Yes they do all have patents but i'm missing no point. Who the hell patents a case ffs.

the patent office does.

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

Apple really have it in for Samsung. I cant see any other reason for all the lies and nonsense apple are making up apart from sheer fear since Samsung is now the worlds biggest Smartphone producer and won phone of the year.

yet apple remain samsungs biggest customer. yeah they really have it in for them. HTC equally have patent issues against them, it's not just samsung.

you may find that HTC are the biggest smartphone producer.

alanwarwic · 21-12-2011, 19:11

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Originally Posted by chenks

except Android isn't a "brand" of phone.

And Microsoft Windows isn't a brand of PC even though we almost all choose Windows 7.
Its generally accepted that everyone selling Linux derived Android is under legal attack.

chenks · 21-12-2011, 19:12

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

And Microsoft Windows isn't a brand of PC even though we almost all choose Windows 7.

nobody said it was, you said " one brand of PC software", which Windows is. Android isn't a brand of smartphone.

and nobody really "chooses" windows 7, it comes pre-installed without much of a choice to not have it.

Stiggles · 21-12-2011, 19:14

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Originally Posted by chenks

it's amazing how much hate people have for a company that has such a small market share!

Actually its about their practice. Bring out substandard products, pinch other ideas then sue everyone else who brings out far superior devices. Fake photos to have a tablet pulled from sale in countries then lie about that.

Do remember what apple said :- "We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas.". Yet when anyone else slightly copies an idea they sue.

That's what people dislike about apple.

Stiggles · 21-12-2011, 19:15

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Originally Posted by chenks

nobody said it was, you said " one brand of PC software", which Windows is. Android isn't a brand of smartphone.

and nobody really "chooses" windows 7, it comes pre-installed without much of a choice to not have it.

What nonsense. Of course they do!!

I can buy a PC with Windows 7 or a Mac running OSX. I can also buy a PC running Linux......

alanwarwic · 21-12-2011, 19:15

So why do the pedantic details matter?

chenks · 21-12-2011, 19:16

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

What nonsense. Of course they do!!

I can buy a PC with Windows 7 or a Mac running OSX. I can also buy a PC running Linux......

you're made to jump thru hoops if you don't want windows on a PC.

Stiggles · 21-12-2011, 19:21

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Originally Posted by chenks

you're made to jump thru hoops if you don't want windows on a PC.

Absolute nonsense once again. I can go to a shop and order a PC with either windows or Linux.

What hoops are those?

Roush · 21-12-2011, 20:41

Whist I don't agree with some of the things Apple litigates over, their behaviour is above board and they are well within their rights to protect their intellectual property.

Microsoft are doing exactly the same, the only difference being the strategies they are pursuing. Microsoft is actively looking for licensing opportunities whereas Apple wants exclusive use of their IP. This is entirely their prerogative, and their right.

It's actually Samsung (and to a lesser extent Motorola) that are engaging in underhand patent litigation strategies. They are suing Apple in several countries over 3G patents which have been FRAND pledged, and the European Competition Commission are currently considering whether or not Samsung's use of FRAND pledged patents should be the subject of a full scale anti-trust investigation.

In one case, a French court recently dismissed a Samsung case against the iPhone 4S after it was revealed that Qualcomm, who make the 4S baseband chip, already license the patents in question from Samsung so Apple are already licensed and Samsung never had a case at all.

TelevisionUser · 21-12-2011, 20:50

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...e-patents.html

'Dec. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Apple Inc., which on Dec. 9 lost a bid to keep Samsung Electronics Co.’s Galaxy 10.1 tablet out of Australia, claims the case for the device and cases for Samsung phones infringe its patents and registered design.'

This is what i dislike about Apple and pretty much why i will never again buy one of their products.

They've also been having a go at HTC too (and failing): http://www.windowsitpro.com/article/...ase-htc-141671

I don't have a problem with fair market competition but Apple aren't doing that. They've hired packs of commercial lawyers to try to disrupt and shut down the businesses of their two perceived main rivals, namely Samsung and HTC via legal technicalities. Even blocking sales for a few months means that their rivals lose $ millions in sales.

I regard Apple's conduct as unethical, greedy and monopolistic and I won't now buy their products on principle. They used to be the inovative and idealistic start-up but now they've turned into yet another domineering megalomaniac "Murdoch-style" big corporation.

Roush · 21-12-2011, 20:54

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Originally Posted by TelevisionUser

I regard Apple's conduct as unethical, greedy and monopolistic and I won't now buy their products on principle. They used to be the inovative and idealistic start-up but now they've turned into yet another domineering megalomaniac "Murdoch-style" big corporation.

See my post above. It's actually Samsung and Motorola who's ethics are questionable in all this. But I suppose that doesn't matter to you. You've decided to don an Apple-hater hat so clearly no Android OEM could ever do any wrong.

Thine Wonk · 21-12-2011, 21:05

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Originally Posted by Roush

See my post above. It's actually Samsung and Motorola who's ethics are questionable in all this. But I suppose that doesn't matter to you. You've decided to don an Apple-hater hat so clearly no Android OEM could ever do any wrong.

Only Apple fabricated evidence and deliberately tried to mislead the judges though.

Microsoft defends patents because they want a licence fee for technology they own, like you say Apple wants to stop innovation in the market and be the only people to use their IP, which is a shame seeing as you can patent silly things like long key presses on a software keyboard etc.

Stiggles · 21-12-2011, 21:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roush

Whist I don't agree with some of the things Apple litigates over, their behaviour is above board and they are well within their rights to protect their intellectual property.

Microsoft are doing exactly the same, the only difference being the strategies they are pursuing. Microsoft is actively looking for licensing opportunities whereas Apple wants exclusive use of their IP. This is entirely their prerogative, and their right.

It's actually Samsung (and to a lesser extent Motorola) that are engaging in underhand patent litigation strategies. They are suing Apple in several countries over 3G patents which have been FRAND pledged, and the European Competition Commission are currently considering whether or not Samsung's use of FRAND pledged patents should be the subject of a full scale anti-trust investigation.

In one case, a French court recently dismissed a Samsung case against the iPhone 4S after it was revealed that Qualcomm, who make the 4S baseband chip, already license the patents in question from Samsung so Apple are already licensed and Samsung never had a case at all.

Hang on a second lol

Are you telling us here that Apple are the victims in all these lawsuits they are flinging about and Samsung and Motorola are the culprits?!!! Haha!

They believed it hadn't been licensed properly and apple had agreed a settlement to which they disagree on.

However, that does not take away the fact apple are a lying, manipulative, hideous company who fabricate photos to have a rivals products taken off sale. That is disgusting behavior. They also have the cheek to pinch LG's form factor for a large touch screen phone then make one of their own and sue anyone else who dares to make a phone with a large touchscreen.

Samsung this year came out with a belter of a phone, the S2 knocking apple off its perch. What did apple do? Ah yes, they cried saying it looked like an iphone which every sane person knows it doesn't and sued

Are you still going to sit there and tell us its all above board?

Stiggles · 21-12-2011, 21:14

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Originally Posted by Thine Wonk

Only Apple fabricated evidence and deliberately tried to mislead the judges though.

Microsoft defends patents because they want a licence fee for technology they own, like you say Apple wants to stop innovation in the market and be the only people to use their IP, which is a shame seeing as you can patent silly things like long key presses on a software keyboard etc.

Absolutely. Look at jobs saying he would have bankrupted himself to kill Android.

Scared much?

21-12-2011, 17:58	#1
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Is there anything Apple wont sue over?!! http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...e-patents.html 'Dec. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Apple Inc., which on Dec. 9 lost a bid to keep Samsung Electronics Co.’s Galaxy 10.1 tablet out of Australia, claims the case for the device and cases for Samsung phones infringe its patents and registered design.' This is what i dislike about Apple and pretty much why i will never again buy one of their products.

21-12-2011, 18:07	#2
chenks Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: North Ayrshire Posts: 11,399	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles This is what i dislike about Apple and pretty much why i will never again buy one of their products. you'd find that if it was HTC or Samsung that owned that patent and Apple had used it without licensing it, then you'd have HTC or Samsung suing Apple. Blame the weird patent system, not the owner of the patent.

21-12-2011, 18:10	#3
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by chenks you'd find that it it was HTC or Samsung that owned that patent and Apple had used it without licensing it, then you'd have HTC or Samsung suing Apple. Blame the weird patent system, not the owner of the patent. I do also blame the owner for being stupid enough to think they can patent a case. Once again, idiocy.

21-12-2011, 18:27	#4
chenks Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: North Ayrshire Posts: 11,399	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles I do also blame the owner for being stupid enough to think they can patent a case. Once again, idiocy. again missing the point. it's the patent system that is flawed for allowing the patent to exist in the first place. you can't blame any company for trying to protect something they think will give them an edge, the blame is in the system that allows them to do it. HTC, Google, Microsoft, Apple, Samsung all own patents that are ridiculous. I assume you also boycott every one of these companies as they also sue people whilst protecting their patents.

21-12-2011, 18:41	#5
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	The logical user chosen direction of Android is the mergering of the PC, tablet and smartphone technology. Its simply not good for the bottom line of those who wish to control what we buy. Funnily enough it is no doubt Google's continued wish to control those who sell/advertise that led them to buy and develop Android.

21-12-2011, 18:47	#6
DarthFader Forum Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Fareham, Hampshire Posts: 3,753	I am just glad Apple didn't invent the TV or we would only have one, under speced over pricd brand of televisions. PJ

21-12-2011, 18:53	#7
Inspiration Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 53,398	Do we have only one brand of phone? Do we have only one brand of mp3 player? Do we have only one brand of computer?

21-12-2011, 18:56	#8
chenks Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: North Ayrshire Posts: 11,399	it's amazing how much hate people have for a company that has such a small market share!

21-12-2011, 18:58	#9
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Perception actually had near one brand of mp3 and near one brand of PC software. The phone has now switched to nearly one brand, that being Android. Time is lagging on perception though.

21-12-2011, 19:02	#10
chenks Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: North Ayrshire Posts: 11,399	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic Perception actually had near one brand of mp3 and near one brand of PC software. The phone has now switched to nearly one brand, that being Android. Time is lagging on perception though. except Android isn't a "brand" of phone.

21-12-2011, 19:06	#11
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by chenks again missing the point. it's the patent system that is flawed for allowing the patent to exist in the first place. you can't blame any company for trying to protect something they think will give them an edge, the blame is in the system that allows them to do it. HTC, Google, Microsoft, Apple, Samsung all own patents that are ridiculous. I assume you also boycott every one of these companies as they also sue people whilst protecting their patents. Yes they do all have patents but i'm missing no point. Who the hell patents a case ffs and why is it only Samsung they are suing once again? Apple really have it in for Samsung. I cant see any other reason for all the lies and nonsense apple are making up apart from sheer fear since Samsung is now the worlds biggest Smartphone producer and won phone of the year.

21-12-2011, 19:09	#12
chenks Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: North Ayrshire Posts: 11,399	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles Yes they do all have patents but i'm missing no point. Who the hell patents a case ffs. the patent office does. Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles Apple really have it in for Samsung. I cant see any other reason for all the lies and nonsense apple are making up apart from sheer fear since Samsung is now the worlds biggest Smartphone producer and won phone of the year. yet apple remain samsungs biggest customer. yeah they really have it in for them. HTC equally have patent issues against them, it's not just samsung. you may find that HTC are the biggest smartphone producer.

21-12-2011, 19:11	#13
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Quote: Originally Posted by chenks except Android isn't a "brand" of phone. And Microsoft Windows isn't a brand of PC even though we almost all choose Windows 7. Its generally accepted that everyone selling Linux derived Android is under legal attack.

21-12-2011, 19:12	#14
chenks Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: North Ayrshire Posts: 11,399	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic And Microsoft Windows isn't a brand of PC even though we almost all choose Windows 7. nobody said it was, you said " one brand of PC software", which Windows is. Android isn't a brand of smartphone. and nobody really "chooses" windows 7, it comes pre-installed without much of a choice to not have it.

21-12-2011, 19:14	#15
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by chenks it's amazing how much hate people have for a company that has such a small market share! Actually its about their practice. Bring out substandard products, pinch other ideas then sue everyone else who brings out far superior devices. Fake photos to have a tablet pulled from sale in countries then lie about that. Do remember what apple said :- "We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas.". Yet when anyone else slightly copies an idea they sue. That's what people dislike about apple.

21-12-2011, 19:15	#16
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by chenks nobody said it was, you said " one brand of PC software", which Windows is. Android isn't a brand of smartphone. and nobody really "chooses" windows 7, it comes pre-installed without much of a choice to not have it. What nonsense. Of course they do!! I can buy a PC with Windows 7 or a Mac running OSX. I can also buy a PC running Linux......

21-12-2011, 19:16	#18
chenks Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: North Ayrshire Posts: 11,399	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles What nonsense. Of course they do!! I can buy a PC with Windows 7 or a Mac running OSX. I can also buy a PC running Linux...... you're made to jump thru hoops if you don't want windows on a PC.

21-12-2011, 19:21	#19
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by chenks you're made to jump thru hoops if you don't want windows on a PC. Absolute nonsense once again. I can go to a shop and order a PC with either windows or Linux. What hoops are those?

21-12-2011, 20:41	#20
Roush Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Hertfordshire Posts: 2,938	Whist I don't agree with some of the things Apple litigates over, their behaviour is above board and they are well within their rights to protect their intellectual property. Microsoft are doing exactly the same, the only difference being the strategies they are pursuing. Microsoft is actively looking for licensing opportunities whereas Apple wants exclusive use of their IP. This is entirely their prerogative, and their right. It's actually Samsung (and to a lesser extent Motorola) that are engaging in underhand patent litigation strategies. They are suing Apple in several countries over 3G patents which have been FRAND pledged, and the European Competition Commission are currently considering whether or not Samsung's use of FRAND pledged patents should be the subject of a full scale anti-trust investigation. In one case, a French court recently dismissed a Samsung case against the iPhone 4S after it was revealed that Qualcomm, who make the 4S baseband chip, already license the patents in question from Samsung so Apple are already licensed and Samsung never had a case at all.

21-12-2011, 20:50	#21
TelevisionUser Forum Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Storbritannia Posts: 28,930	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...e-patents.html 'Dec. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Apple Inc., which on Dec. 9 lost a bid to keep Samsung Electronics Co.’s Galaxy 10.1 tablet out of Australia, claims the case for the device and cases for Samsung phones infringe its patents and registered design.' This is what i dislike about Apple and pretty much why i will never again buy one of their products. They've also been having a go at HTC too (and failing): http://www.windowsitpro.com/article/...ase-htc-141671 I don't have a problem with fair market competition but Apple aren't doing that. They've hired packs of commercial lawyers to try to disrupt and shut down the businesses of their two perceived main rivals, namely Samsung and HTC via legal technicalities. Even blocking sales for a few months means that their rivals lose $ millions in sales. I regard Apple's conduct as unethical, greedy and monopolistic and I won't now buy their products on principle. They used to be the inovative and idealistic start-up but now they've turned into yet another domineering megalomaniac "Murdoch-style" big corporation.

21-12-2011, 20:54	#22
Roush Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Hertfordshire Posts: 2,938	Quote: Originally Posted by TelevisionUser I regard Apple's conduct as unethical, greedy and monopolistic and I won't now buy their products on principle. They used to be the inovative and idealistic start-up but now they've turned into yet another domineering megalomaniac "Murdoch-style" big corporation. See my post above. It's actually Samsung and Motorola who's ethics are questionable in all this. But I suppose that doesn't matter to you. You've decided to don an Apple-hater hat so clearly no Android OEM could ever do any wrong.

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Is there anything Apple wont sue over?!!

21-12-2011, 21:05	#23
Thine Wonk Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 14,577	Quote: Originally Posted by Roush See my post above. It's actually Samsung and Motorola who's ethics are questionable in all this. But I suppose that doesn't matter to you. You've decided to don an Apple-hater hat so clearly no Android OEM could ever do any wrong. Only Apple fabricated evidence and deliberately tried to mislead the judges though. Microsoft defends patents because they want a licence fee for technology they own, like you say Apple wants to stop innovation in the market and be the only people to use their IP, which is a shame seeing as you can patent silly things like long key presses on a software keyboard etc.

21-12-2011, 21:13	#24
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by Roush Whist I don't agree with some of the things Apple litigates over, their behaviour is above board and they are well within their rights to protect their intellectual property. Microsoft are doing exactly the same, the only difference being the strategies they are pursuing. Microsoft is actively looking for licensing opportunities whereas Apple wants exclusive use of their IP. This is entirely their prerogative, and their right. It's actually Samsung (and to a lesser extent Motorola) that are engaging in underhand patent litigation strategies. They are suing Apple in several countries over 3G patents which have been FRAND pledged, and the European Competition Commission are currently considering whether or not Samsung's use of FRAND pledged patents should be the subject of a full scale anti-trust investigation. In one case, a French court recently dismissed a Samsung case against the iPhone 4S after it was revealed that Qualcomm, who make the 4S baseband chip, already license the patents in question from Samsung so Apple are already licensed and Samsung never had a case at all. Hang on a second lol Are you telling us here that Apple are the victims in all these lawsuits they are flinging about and Samsung and Motorola are the culprits?!!! Haha! They believed it hadn't been licensed properly and apple had agreed a settlement to which they disagree on. However, that does not take away the fact apple are a lying, manipulative, hideous company who fabricate photos to have a rivals products taken off sale. That is disgusting behavior. They also have the cheek to pinch LG's form factor for a large touch screen phone then make one of their own and sue anyone else who dares to make a phone with a large touchscreen. Samsung this year came out with a belter of a phone, the S2 knocking apple off its perch. What did apple do? Ah yes, they cried saying it looked like an iphone which every sane person knows it doesn't and sued Are you still going to sit there and tell us its all above board?

21-12-2011, 21:14	#25
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by Thine Wonk Only Apple fabricated evidence and deliberately tried to mislead the judges though. Microsoft defends patents because they want a licence fee for technology they own, like you say Apple wants to stop innovation in the market and be the only people to use their IP, which is a shame seeing as you can patent silly things like long key presses on a software keyboard etc. Absolutely. Look at jobs saying he would have bankrupted himself to kill Android. Scared much?