Is there anything Apple wont sue over?!!

Stiggles · 21-12-2011, 21:17

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See my post above. It's actually Samsung and Motorola who's ethics are questionable in all this. But I suppose that doesn't matter to you. You've decided to don an Apple-hater hat so clearly no Android OEM could ever do any wrong.

And you, have got your Apple lover hat on which is clearly distorting your view on the arseholes that are apple.

Faking evidence, lying...no idea why any sane person would buy the overpriced tat from these fools.

See the thing is, apple may be huge now but, they are getting greedy. Self righteous. They will fall soon i think. Not completely, but they will come down with a bump. Its happened before to companies like this, it will happen again.

paulbrock · 21-12-2011, 21:21

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Originally Posted by chenks

you may find that HTC are the biggest smartphone producer.

I don't think we will.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/24318...han_apple.html

HTC are 4th.

Roush · 21-12-2011, 21:22

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

Are you still going to sit there and tell us its all above board?

Okay, so what about Samsung attempting to terminate their license agreement with Qualcomm just so they could sue Apple? Is that above board and ethical.

The French judge had to remind Samsung that their FRAND licensing agreement with Qualcomm was irrevocable.

It's silly that just because Apple printed one photo incorrectly (out of around 100 in that filing) that people assume they did it deliberately. Samsung pointed out the error, and the judge noted it. I'm not saying 100% it wasn't deliberate, but it seems rather unlikely when every other image was reproduced correctly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stiggles

And you, have got your Apple lover hat on which is clearly distorting your view on the arseholes that are apple.

Not an Apple lover, no. Like I said, I think some of the things they sue over are a bit misguided.

paulbrock · 21-12-2011, 21:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stiggles

And you, have got your Apple lover hat on which is clearly distorting your view on the arseholes that are apple.

Faking evidence, lying...no idea why any sane person would buy the overpriced tat from these fools.

See the thing is, apple may be huge now but, they are getting greedy. Self righteous. They will fall soon i think. Not completely, but they will come down with a bump. Its happened before to companies like this, it will happen again.

They know they can't hang on to the tablet market by technical innovation. Chances are the ipad 3 will be barely an improvement over ipad2, meanwhile the likes of Transformer Prime and Galaxy Tab are gaining ground and publicity, hence the threat which has meant Apple has turned to the lawyers rather than the innovators.

(Personally I'm amazed how much floor space is given to 'other' tablets in places such as Carphone Warehouse and PC World. I can only assume the profit margin for the shop is much higher for the retailer than the iPad; but it makes for an interesting battleground)

paulbrock · 21-12-2011, 21:26

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Originally Posted by Roush

Okay, so what about Samsung attempting to terminate their license agreement with Qualcomm just so they could sue Apple? Is that above board and ethical.

The French judge had to remind Samsung that their FRAND licensing agreement with Qualcomm was irrevocable.

It's silly that just because Apple printed one photo incorrectly (out of around 100 in that filing) that people assume they did it deliberately. Samsung pointed out the error, and the judge noted it. I'm not saying 100% it wasn't deliberate, but it seems rather unlikely when every other image was reproduced correctly.

Personally I think the patent wars are far less about loss of revenue and IP infringement and more about Apple attempting to cling on to the tablet/smartphone market; and the other manufacturers responding in kind - any ban of products (Tab in Australia, iphone in Germany) is symbolic - but it helps to damage the loser's credentials and makes their products less desirable.

alanwarwic · 21-12-2011, 21:30

It really depends whether you see it is a defence strategy against that 'declared war against Android'.

chenks · 21-12-2011, 21:35

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Originally Posted by paulbrock

I don't think we will.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/24318...han_apple.html

HTC are 4th.

That article is showing results for 1 quarter.
HTC have been making phones (and smart ones at that) for longer than apple and Samsung.

The xda windows mobile PDAs were technically smartphones and were out long before apple and Samsung.

paulbrock · 21-12-2011, 21:37

of course 'banned' products are sometimes more desirable -
Samsung's latest Australian advert:
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/16/2...let-ban-lifted

Stiggles · 21-12-2011, 21:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roush

Okay, so what about Samsung attempting to terminate their license agreement with Qualcomm just so they could sue Apple? Is that above board and ethical.

The French judge had to remind Samsung that their FRAND licensing agreement with Qualcomm was irrevocable.

Never said it was above board, but i certainly do not think for 1 min that this is any way shape or form worse than apple trying to stifle the market completely like they are attempting.

It's silly that just because Apple printed one photo incorrectly (out of around 100 in that filing) that people assume they did it deliberately. Samsung pointed out the error, and the judge noted it. I'm not saying 100% it wasn't deliberate, but it seems rather unlikely when every other image was reproduced correctly.

It matters not if it was 1 out of 100. It was the only photo that showed both tablets side by side. It was no error. It wasn't a printing error either. It was doctored plain and simple in the hope the judge wouldn't notice which he didn't.

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Not an Apple lover, no. Like I said, I think some of the things they sue over are a bit misguided.

Most i would say lol

You know, if i was Samsung i would drop the agreement with apple on its head leaving them up shit creek for their iphones.

paulbrock · 21-12-2011, 21:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by chenks

That article is showing results for 1 quarter.
HTC have been making phones (and smart ones at that) for longer than apple and Samsung.

The xda windows mobile PDAs were technically smartphones and were out long before apple and Samsung.

pretty sure most people don't consider products sold 3 years ago in determining who the biggest manufacturers now are. Otherwise we might be saying that Symbian is the biggest smartphone OS still.

Stiggles · 21-12-2011, 21:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulbrock

They know they can't hang on to the tablet market by technical innovation. Chances are the ipad 3 will be barely an improvement over ipad2, meanwhile the likes of Transformer Prime and Galaxy Tab are gaining ground and publicity, hence the threat which has meant Apple has turned to the lawyers rather than the innovators.

(Personally I'm amazed how much floor space is given to 'other' tablets in places such as Carphone Warehouse and PC World. I can only assume the profit margin for the shop is much higher for the retailer than the iPad; but it makes for an interesting battleground)

Very much like the iphone 4s then.

I'm sure i saw somewhere today that Android tablets now have over a quarter of the market. Not bad i f true considering earlier this year they were barely tickling the market.

Thine Wonk · 21-12-2011, 21:52

With all these patent actions Apple are looking like they are scared and on the defensive. Will they have anything new in the coming years? I think that is the question they are asking themselves, better protect what we have because there is unlikely to be another ipad or ipod moment, especially now Jobbs isn't around any more.

Meanwhile Samsung now advertising "the tablet Apple tried to ban" !

alanwarwic · 21-12-2011, 22:18

The likes of PC World and Asda on the whole give the most prominence to low cost high profit items.

Asda has by far the biggest amount of cheap junk on sale. Some of it actually can becomes good value in the sale but they certainly do manage to find the oldest PC chipsets of any reseller by far.
Its also another reason why decent netbooks are few and far between.

call100 · 21-12-2011, 23:22

I don't understand why people get so annoyed over this, or so protective about their chosen company. None of the companies involved give a tinkers cuss about any of us, the bottom line is profit, however that is achieved.
My opinion of anyone that has any brand loyalty, is that they are a misguided delusional fool. In a fast moving environment like technology, flexibility is crucial if you are to enjoy the benefits of the latest innovations to the fullest IMO.

alanwarwic · 22-12-2011, 00:21

A well written article on bloomberg business news.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-1...s-roll-in.html

"With about $80 billion in net cash, we believe Apple is not interested in a financial settlement with HTC or other Android vendors " (said a financial analyst).

"Barnes & Noble, the New York-based bookstore company, has asked the U.S. Justice Department to investigate Microsoft’s royalty demands, accusing that company of “embarking on a campaign of asserting trivial and outmoded patents” in order to increase the cost of Android and “drive out competition.”"

I also read that Android now has 70% of the US smartphone market. Units sold of course, not profit per purchase.

The Lord Lucan · 22-12-2011, 08:49

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

Absolutely. Look at jobs saying he would have bankrupted himself to kill Android.

Scared much?

The reason for that is the guy who helped design Andriod was at Apple then took the ideas and left to Google, he felt betrayed and since then waged war on Andriod.

Secondary I don't think Apple is stifling innovation quite the opposite companies copying Apple just to keep up are stifling innovation.. If they designed something that wasn't pretty much a direct copy and and bettered Apple's products fair and square then they would have actually innovated. Apple protecting its patents does not stifle at all.. Even the outcomes of these disputes have lead to the companies involved to actually innovate to get the same features without direct copying... Which I do believe is innovating!

Just copying and hoping its good enough isn't.

Also I love how people knock Apple for having less of a amazing spec sheet it doesn't matter it does what it's designed to with lesser spec meaning it's a better rounded, better coded device. Every Android product I've owned has been buggy, granted apple has been more buggy of late but it's getting attention as they have been slightly off mark but still way better than products I've owned from Samsung, HTC etc.. The battery issue for example my 4S still outlasts my friends Galaxy S2 and Sensation but apparently there is a battery issue.... Laughable.

Remember this..
There was little market for 'MP3' players before Apple brought out the iPod then the whole market became viable

There was a small market for Smart Phones until Apple brought out the iPhone.

There was barely a market for tablets until the iPad was launched.

Reason it just worked..

Innovation by Apple has created innovation in the Market. Stop hating Apple as they were not the lazy ones and have actually got companies to start thinking big.. Companies that didn't were left behind.. Nokia, Ericsson, Motorola etc who were all doing ok until the dumb phone was no longer the market to be in!

david.boobis · 22-12-2011, 09:22

The problem with this patent dispute is that it was a Samsung owned subsidiary that designed the case, Samsung immediately said it was nothing to do with them, and it was never sold. So basically Apple are suing over a couple of pictures on the internet.

Stiggles · 22-12-2011, 11:40

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Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan

The reason for that is the guy who helped design Andriod was at Apple then took the ideas and left to Google, he felt betrayed and since then waged war on Andriod.

What ideas? Android has never looked like iOS. On the other hand iOS has taken a good few ideas from Android.

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Secondary I don't think Apple is stifling innovation quite the opposite companies copying Apple just to keep up are stifling innovation..

Really? Apple copied LG in the first place for the design of the iphone. They have then copied Android and are suing every OEM who designs an Android based phone even though most times there is nothing to sue over. They attempt to block sales. Make up pictures to block sales. That is stifling innovation and its apple thats doing it.

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If they designed something that wasn't pretty much a direct copy and and bettered Apple's products fair and square then they would have actually innovated.

Which has been done and apple hate it. Hence the suing.

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Apple protecting its patents does not stifle at all.. Even the outcomes of these disputes have lead to the companies involved to actually innovate to get the same features without direct copying... Which I do believe is innovating!

Of course it does!! How can anyone patent a bloody case for goodness sake?

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Just copying and hoping its good enough isn't.

Apple have managed it for years so far....

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Also I love how people knock Apple for having less of a amazing spec sheet it doesn't matter it does what it's designed to with lesser spec meaning it's a better rounded, better coded device. Every Android product I've owned has been buggy, granted apple has been more buggy of late but it's getting attention as they have been slightly off mark but still way better than products I've owned from Samsung, HTC etc.. The battery issue for example my 4S still outlasts my friends Galaxy S2 and Sensation but apparently there is a battery issue.... Laughable.

Thats odd since my S2 outlasts my old iphone 4 and my dads 4S by a good day ....

As for the buggy bit i dont know where to start with that! lol

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Remember this..
There was little market for 'MP3' players before Apple brought out the iPod then the whole market became viable

Rubbish. There was always MP3 players. Just happened apple came out with at the time an absolute cracker. Now in terms of decent sound quality and screens they are bottom of the pile yet still popular. Go figure....

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There was a small market for Smart Phones until Apple brought out the iPhone.

Agreed, but the market was already becoming popular with them. Apple just gave it a quicker start.

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There was barely a market for tablets until the iPad was launched.

Agreed but remember, there still is. Most people i know at least who bought an ipad or any tablet have sold it on though as its pretty much useless for anything other than a quick surf.

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Reason it just worked..

As does any other device. Most imbecilic quote ever.

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Innovation by Apple has created innovation in the Market. Stop hating Apple as they were not the lazy ones and have actually got companies to start thinking big.. Companies that didn't were left behind.. Nokia, Ericsson, Motorola etc who were all doing ok until the dumb phone was no longer the market to be in!

What innovation? MP3 players were already around, phones were already around and tablets were kicking about as well.

Apple did kick them off in a big way although it was going to happen eventually on its own, but innovate they did not.

Stiggles · 22-12-2011, 11:42

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Originally Posted by david.boobis

The problem with this patent dispute is that it was a Samsung owned subsidiary that designed the case, Samsung immediately said it was nothing to do with them, and it was never sold. So basically Apple are suing over a couple of pictures on the internet.

Indeed.

I do think Apple are digging there own grave here. They have gone from having the nice company image to the absolute arseholes of the tech world...

Roush · 22-12-2011, 12:07

Coincidentally, Florian Mueller posted a very balanced view of Apple's stance towards its IP yesterday.

http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011...-are-what.html

(For anyone interested in a balanced and neutral view of what's going on in the smartphone patent wars then Florian's blog is a good starting point.)

alanwarwic · 22-12-2011, 12:08

Which also means Apple are also suing in order to stain perceptions which fits considering they are masters of myth.

Methinks I preferred the business partner pressure stuff that Intel and to an extent Microsoft are famous for.
That can be sold to us as 'wheeling dealing'.

Stiggles · 22-12-2011, 12:14

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Originally Posted by Roush

Coincidentally, Florian Mueller posted a very balanced view of Apple's stance towards its IP yesterday.

http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011...-are-what.html

(For anyone interested in a balanced and neutral view of what's going on in the smartphone patent wars then Florian's blog is a good starting point.)

Shall read it later when i get home.Ta.

alanwarwic · 22-12-2011, 12:22

" But at this stage, HTC is far away from having leverage along the lines of mutually assured destruction against Apple "

Obviously $80 billion comes in handy for Armageddon.
If you have read that guys stuff in the past you will well know where his sympathies lie.
Thus certainly comes across when judgements are declared misguided and on whom he eggs on.
His words are very fashionable though.

With Apple's scatter gun tactic its underwhelming in that portfolio of 10 they only won with a very dodgy sounding hyperlink patent.

Fran Blakes · 22-12-2011, 13:01

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

Absolute nonsense once again. I can go to a shop and order a PC with either windows or Linux.

What hoops are those?

I've just returned from Currys/PC World

To get a laptop or computer with Linux installed:
1, You have to order online
2, You need a business account

So I wouldn't be able to buy one

Thankfully Linux is easy to obtain

Stiggles · 22-12-2011, 13:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fran Blakes

I've just returned from Currys/PC World

To get a laptop or computer with Linux installed:
1, You have to order online
2, You need a business account

So I wouldn't be able to buy one

Thankfully Linux is easy to obtain

Ah but try any other shop and its perfectly easy.

21-12-2011, 21:17	#26
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by Roush See my post above. It's actually Samsung and Motorola who's ethics are questionable in all this. But I suppose that doesn't matter to you. You've decided to don an Apple-hater hat so clearly no Android OEM could ever do any wrong. And you, have got your Apple lover hat on which is clearly distorting your view on the arseholes that are apple. Faking evidence, lying...no idea why any sane person would buy the overpriced tat from these fools. See the thing is, apple may be huge now but, they are getting greedy. Self righteous. They will fall soon i think. Not completely, but they will come down with a bump. Its happened before to companies like this, it will happen again.

21-12-2011, 21:21	#27
paulbrock Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wapping, London Posts: 16,222	Quote: Originally Posted by chenks you may find that HTC are the biggest smartphone producer. I don't think we will. http://www.pcworld.com/article/24318...han_apple.html HTC are 4th.

21-12-2011, 21:22	#28
Roush Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Hertfordshire Posts: 2,938	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles Are you still going to sit there and tell us its all above board? Okay, so what about Samsung attempting to terminate their license agreement with Qualcomm just so they could sue Apple? Is that above board and ethical. The French judge had to remind Samsung that their FRAND licensing agreement with Qualcomm was irrevocable. It's silly that just because Apple printed one photo incorrectly (out of around 100 in that filing) that people assume they did it deliberately. Samsung pointed out the error, and the judge noted it. I'm not saying 100% it wasn't deliberate, but it seems rather unlikely when every other image was reproduced correctly. Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles And you, have got your Apple lover hat on which is clearly distorting your view on the arseholes that are apple. Not an Apple lover, no. Like I said, I think some of the things they sue over are a bit misguided.

21-12-2011, 21:24	#29
paulbrock Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wapping, London Posts: 16,222	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles And you, have got your Apple lover hat on which is clearly distorting your view on the arseholes that are apple. Faking evidence, lying...no idea why any sane person would buy the overpriced tat from these fools. See the thing is, apple may be huge now but, they are getting greedy. Self righteous. They will fall soon i think. Not completely, but they will come down with a bump. Its happened before to companies like this, it will happen again. They know they can't hang on to the tablet market by technical innovation. Chances are the ipad 3 will be barely an improvement over ipad2, meanwhile the likes of Transformer Prime and Galaxy Tab are gaining ground and publicity, hence the threat which has meant Apple has turned to the lawyers rather than the innovators. (Personally I'm amazed how much floor space is given to 'other' tablets in places such as Carphone Warehouse and PC World. I can only assume the profit margin for the shop is much higher for the retailer than the iPad; but it makes for an interesting battleground)

21-12-2011, 21:26	#30
paulbrock Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wapping, London Posts: 16,222	Quote: Originally Posted by Roush Okay, so what about Samsung attempting to terminate their license agreement with Qualcomm just so they could sue Apple? Is that above board and ethical. The French judge had to remind Samsung that their FRAND licensing agreement with Qualcomm was irrevocable. It's silly that just because Apple printed one photo incorrectly (out of around 100 in that filing) that people assume they did it deliberately. Samsung pointed out the error, and the judge noted it. I'm not saying 100% it wasn't deliberate, but it seems rather unlikely when every other image was reproduced correctly. Personally I think the patent wars are far less about loss of revenue and IP infringement and more about Apple attempting to cling on to the tablet/smartphone market; and the other manufacturers responding in kind - any ban of products (Tab in Australia, iphone in Germany) is symbolic - but it helps to damage the loser's credentials and makes their products less desirable.

21-12-2011, 21:30	#31
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	It really depends whether you see it is a defence strategy against that 'declared war against Android'.

21-12-2011, 21:35	#32
chenks Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: North Ayrshire Posts: 11,399	Quote: Originally Posted by paulbrock I don't think we will. http://www.pcworld.com/article/24318...han_apple.html HTC are 4th. That article is showing results for 1 quarter. HTC have been making phones (and smart ones at that) for longer than apple and Samsung. The xda windows mobile PDAs were technically smartphones and were out long before apple and Samsung.

21-12-2011, 21:37	#33
paulbrock Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wapping, London Posts: 16,222	of course 'banned' products are sometimes more desirable - Samsung's latest Australian advert: http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/16/2...let-ban-lifted

21-12-2011, 21:38	#34
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by Roush Okay, so what about Samsung attempting to terminate their license agreement with Qualcomm just so they could sue Apple? Is that above board and ethical. The French judge had to remind Samsung that their FRAND licensing agreement with Qualcomm was irrevocable. Never said it was above board, but i certainly do not think for 1 min that this is any way shape or form worse than apple trying to stifle the market completely like they are attempting. It's silly that just because Apple printed one photo incorrectly (out of around 100 in that filing) that people assume they did it deliberately. Samsung pointed out the error, and the judge noted it. I'm not saying 100% it wasn't deliberate, but it seems rather unlikely when every other image was reproduced correctly. It matters not if it was 1 out of 100. It was the only photo that showed both tablets side by side. It was no error. It wasn't a printing error either. It was doctored plain and simple in the hope the judge wouldn't notice which he didn't. Quote: Not an Apple lover, no. Like I said, I think some of the things they sue over are a bit misguided. Most i would say lol You know, if i was Samsung i would drop the agreement with apple on its head leaving them up shit creek for their iphones.

21-12-2011, 21:39	#35
paulbrock Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wapping, London Posts: 16,222	Quote: Originally Posted by chenks That article is showing results for 1 quarter. HTC have been making phones (and smart ones at that) for longer than apple and Samsung. The xda windows mobile PDAs were technically smartphones and were out long before apple and Samsung. pretty sure most people don't consider products sold 3 years ago in determining who the biggest manufacturers now are. Otherwise we might be saying that Symbian is the biggest smartphone OS still.

21-12-2011, 21:41	#36
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by paulbrock They know they can't hang on to the tablet market by technical innovation. Chances are the ipad 3 will be barely an improvement over ipad2, meanwhile the likes of Transformer Prime and Galaxy Tab are gaining ground and publicity, hence the threat which has meant Apple has turned to the lawyers rather than the innovators. (Personally I'm amazed how much floor space is given to 'other' tablets in places such as Carphone Warehouse and PC World. I can only assume the profit margin for the shop is much higher for the retailer than the iPad; but it makes for an interesting battleground) Very much like the iphone 4s then. I'm sure i saw somewhere today that Android tablets now have over a quarter of the market. Not bad i f true considering earlier this year they were barely tickling the market.

21-12-2011, 21:52	#37
Thine Wonk Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 14,577	With all these patent actions Apple are looking like they are scared and on the defensive. Will they have anything new in the coming years? I think that is the question they are asking themselves, better protect what we have because there is unlikely to be another ipad or ipod moment, especially now Jobbs isn't around any more. Meanwhile Samsung now advertising "the tablet Apple tried to ban" !

21-12-2011, 22:18	#38
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	The likes of PC World and Asda on the whole give the most prominence to low cost high profit items. Asda has by far the biggest amount of cheap junk on sale. Some of it actually can becomes good value in the sale but they certainly do manage to find the oldest PC chipsets of any reseller by far. Its also another reason why decent netbooks are few and far between.

21-12-2011, 23:22	#39
call100 Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 6,572	I don't understand why people get so annoyed over this, or so protective about their chosen company. None of the companies involved give a tinkers cuss about any of us, the bottom line is profit, however that is achieved. My opinion of anyone that has any brand loyalty, is that they are a misguided delusional fool. In a fast moving environment like technology, flexibility is crucial if you are to enjoy the benefits of the latest innovations to the fullest IMO.

22-12-2011, 00:21	#40
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	A well written article on bloomberg business news. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-1...s-roll-in.html "With about $80 billion in net cash, we believe Apple is not interested in a financial settlement with HTC or other Android vendors " (said a financial analyst). "Barnes & Noble, the New York-based bookstore company, has asked the U.S. Justice Department to investigate Microsoft’s royalty demands, accusing that company of “embarking on a campaign of asserting trivial and outmoded patents” in order to increase the cost of Android and “drive out competition.”" I also read that Android now has 70% of the US smartphone market. Units sold of course, not profit per purchase.

22-12-2011, 08:49	#41
The Lord Lucan Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,966	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles Absolutely. Look at jobs saying he would have bankrupted himself to kill Android. Scared much? The reason for that is the guy who helped design Andriod was at Apple then took the ideas and left to Google, he felt betrayed and since then waged war on Andriod. Secondary I don't think Apple is stifling innovation quite the opposite companies copying Apple just to keep up are stifling innovation.. If they designed something that wasn't pretty much a direct copy and and bettered Apple's products fair and square then they would have actually innovated. Apple protecting its patents does not stifle at all.. Even the outcomes of these disputes have lead to the companies involved to actually innovate to get the same features without direct copying... Which I do believe is innovating! Just copying and hoping its good enough isn't. Also I love how people knock Apple for having less of a amazing spec sheet it doesn't matter it does what it's designed to with lesser spec meaning it's a better rounded, better coded device. Every Android product I've owned has been buggy, granted apple has been more buggy of late but it's getting attention as they have been slightly off mark but still way better than products I've owned from Samsung, HTC etc.. The battery issue for example my 4S still outlasts my friends Galaxy S2 and Sensation but apparently there is a battery issue.... Laughable. Remember this.. There was little market for 'MP3' players before Apple brought out the iPod then the whole market became viable There was a small market for Smart Phones until Apple brought out the iPhone. There was barely a market for tablets until the iPad was launched. Reason it just worked.. Innovation by Apple has created innovation in the Market. Stop hating Apple as they were not the lazy ones and have actually got companies to start thinking big.. Companies that didn't were left behind.. Nokia, Ericsson, Motorola etc who were all doing ok until the dumb phone was no longer the market to be in!

22-12-2011, 09:22	#42
david.boobis Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 376	The problem with this patent dispute is that it was a Samsung owned subsidiary that designed the case, Samsung immediately said it was nothing to do with them, and it was never sold. So basically Apple are suing over a couple of pictures on the internet.

22-12-2011, 11:40	#43
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan The reason for that is the guy who helped design Andriod was at Apple then took the ideas and left to Google, he felt betrayed and since then waged war on Andriod. What ideas? Android has never looked like iOS. On the other hand iOS has taken a good few ideas from Android. Quote: Secondary I don't think Apple is stifling innovation quite the opposite companies copying Apple just to keep up are stifling innovation.. Really? Apple copied LG in the first place for the design of the iphone. They have then copied Android and are suing every OEM who designs an Android based phone even though most times there is nothing to sue over. They attempt to block sales. Make up pictures to block sales. That is stifling innovation and its apple thats doing it. Quote: If they designed something that wasn't pretty much a direct copy and and bettered Apple's products fair and square then they would have actually innovated. Which has been done and apple hate it. Hence the suing. Quote: Apple protecting its patents does not stifle at all.. Even the outcomes of these disputes have lead to the companies involved to actually innovate to get the same features without direct copying... Which I do believe is innovating! Of course it does!! How can anyone patent a bloody case for goodness sake? Quote: Just copying and hoping its good enough isn't. Apple have managed it for years so far.... Quote: Also I love how people knock Apple for having less of a amazing spec sheet it doesn't matter it does what it's designed to with lesser spec meaning it's a better rounded, better coded device. Every Android product I've owned has been buggy, granted apple has been more buggy of late but it's getting attention as they have been slightly off mark but still way better than products I've owned from Samsung, HTC etc.. The battery issue for example my 4S still outlasts my friends Galaxy S2 and Sensation but apparently there is a battery issue.... Laughable. Thats odd since my S2 outlasts my old iphone 4 and my dads 4S by a good day .... As for the buggy bit i dont know where to start with that! lol Quote: Remember this.. There was little market for 'MP3' players before Apple brought out the iPod then the whole market became viable Rubbish. There was always MP3 players. Just happened apple came out with at the time an absolute cracker. Now in terms of decent sound quality and screens they are bottom of the pile yet still popular. Go figure.... Quote: There was a small market for Smart Phones until Apple brought out the iPhone. Agreed, but the market was already becoming popular with them. Apple just gave it a quicker start. Quote: There was barely a market for tablets until the iPad was launched. Agreed but remember, there still is. Most people i know at least who bought an ipad or any tablet have sold it on though as its pretty much useless for anything other than a quick surf. Quote: Reason it just worked.. As does any other device. Most imbecilic quote ever. Quote: Innovation by Apple has created innovation in the Market. Stop hating Apple as they were not the lazy ones and have actually got companies to start thinking big.. Companies that didn't were left behind.. Nokia, Ericsson, Motorola etc who were all doing ok until the dumb phone was no longer the market to be in! What innovation? MP3 players were already around, phones were already around and tablets were kicking about as well. Apple did kick them off in a big way although it was going to happen eventually on its own, but innovate they did not.

22-12-2011, 11:42	#44
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by david.boobis The problem with this patent dispute is that it was a Samsung owned subsidiary that designed the case, Samsung immediately said it was nothing to do with them, and it was never sold. So basically Apple are suing over a couple of pictures on the internet. Indeed. I do think Apple are digging there own grave here. They have gone from having the nice company image to the absolute arseholes of the tech world...

22-12-2011, 12:07	#45
Roush Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Hertfordshire Posts: 2,938	Coincidentally, Florian Mueller posted a very balanced view of Apple's stance towards its IP yesterday. http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011...-are-what.html (For anyone interested in a balanced and neutral view of what's going on in the smartphone patent wars then Florian's blog is a good starting point.)

22-12-2011, 12:08	#46
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Which also means Apple are also suing in order to stain perceptions which fits considering they are masters of myth. Methinks I preferred the business partner pressure stuff that Intel and to an extent Microsoft are famous for. That can be sold to us as 'wheeling dealing'.

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Is there anything Apple wont sue over?!!

22-12-2011, 12:14	#47
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by Roush Coincidentally, Florian Mueller posted a very balanced view of Apple's stance towards its IP yesterday. http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011...-are-what.html (For anyone interested in a balanced and neutral view of what's going on in the smartphone patent wars then Florian's blog is a good starting point.) Shall read it later when i get home.Ta.

22-12-2011, 12:22	#48
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	" But at this stage, HTC is far away from having leverage along the lines of mutually assured destruction against Apple " Obviously $80 billion comes in handy for Armageddon. If you have read that guys stuff in the past you will well know where his sympathies lie. Thus certainly comes across when judgements are declared misguided and on whom he eggs on. His words are very fashionable though. With Apple's scatter gun tactic its underwhelming in that portfolio of 10 they only won with a very dodgy sounding hyperlink patent.

22-12-2011, 13:01	#49
Fran Blakes Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: In bed watching TV Posts: 837	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles Absolute nonsense once again. I can go to a shop and order a PC with either windows or Linux. What hoops are those? I've just returned from Currys/PC World To get a laptop or computer with Linux installed: 1, You have to order online 2, You need a business account So I wouldn't be able to buy one Thankfully Linux is easy to obtain

22-12-2011, 13:23	#50
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by Fran Blakes I've just returned from Currys/PC World To get a laptop or computer with Linux installed: 1, You have to order online 2, You need a business account So I wouldn't be able to buy one Thankfully Linux is easy to obtain Ah but try any other shop and its perfectly easy.