Is there anything Apple wont sue over?!!

Fran Blakes · 22-12-2011, 13:54

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

Ah but try any other shop and its perfectly easy.

If only!

PC World/Currys is the only local computer/laptop retailer.

alanwarwic · 22-12-2011, 14:08

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Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan

Just copying and hoping its good enough isn't.

Apple shoved 10 quite stupid patents together to fudge the issue.

Methinks we were in a way lucky to have Microsoft controlling everything for so long.

Apple copied the PDA and improved it. Android has improved it even further making it all function like a traditional computer.
Apple's only answer to this is to turn the clock back several years.

Tigerpaws · 22-12-2011, 14:19

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Originally Posted by david.boobis

The problem with this patent dispute is that it was a Samsung owned subsidiary that designed the case, Samsung immediately said it was nothing to do with them, and it was never sold. So basically Apple are suing over a couple of pictures on the internet.

The latest patent dispute has been wrongly reported in the media it is not about the smart covers its about the actual casing on the phone and tablet

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Samsung has released an official statement on the issue, noting that the term "case" was misinterpreted in early media reports as referring to protective case accessories. In fact, the term was referring to the external design of the devices themselves.

Stiggles · 22-12-2011, 14:25

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Originally Posted by Tigerpaws

The latest patent dispute has been wrongly reported in the media it is not about the smart covers its about the actual casing on the phone and tablet

Good god!

I think apple are becoming desperate now tbh. Pretty much every other lawsuit has been thrown out so they cobble this one together lol

I do wish Samsung would fudge them completely and pull out supplying the parts to Apple. Might shut them up for a while.

Stiggles · 22-12-2011, 14:26

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Originally Posted by Fran Blakes

If only!

PC World/Currys is the only local computer/laptop retailer.

Ah ok lol

We have plenty here other then pcworld/currys.

Roush · 22-12-2011, 14:41

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

I do wish Samsung would fudge them completely and pull out supplying the parts to Apple. Might shut them up for a while.

For a while, but Samsung would be wholly liable for Apple's losses and would end up owing Apple billions in lost revenue. Fortunately Samsung have smarter people than that making decisions.

Tigerpaws · 22-12-2011, 14:43

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

Good god!

I think apple are becoming desperate now tbh. Pretty much every other lawsuit has been thrown out so they cobble this one together lol

I do wish Samsung would fudge them completely and pull out supplying the parts to Apple. Might shut them up for a while.

Why would they do that? It would cost them far too much money.

A number of the lawsuits have yet to be decided. Samsung were given a opportunity to settle one of the suits and pay the licence but choose to roll the dice and challenge the patent (not this one can't remember the specific one) which both companies have a right to do not sure why apple are the big bad here.

clonmult · 22-12-2011, 15:55

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

Good god!

I think apple are becoming desperate now tbh. Pretty much every other lawsuit has been thrown out so they cobble this one together lol

I do wish Samsung would fudge them completely and pull out supplying the parts to Apple. Might shut them up for a while.

Apple would just buy from another supplier, there are others out there ....

The lawsuits do appear to be getting somewhat petty though, and as with all such things, the only winners are invariably the lawyers.

alanwarwic · 22-12-2011, 17:00

Apple seldom buys suppliers, they just buy their merchandise whilst often requesting design enhancements.

Apple know that by choosing suppliers they can always stay towards the front lane of technology.
I'm also sure they are also quite happy having most of the heavy spenders as customers.

david.boobis · 22-12-2011, 17:16

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Originally Posted by Tigerpaws

The latest patent dispute has been wrongly reported in the media it is not about the smart covers its about the actual casing on the phone and tablet

So it's the same patent they've been throwing about for most of 2011? That's not news...

Stiggles · 22-12-2011, 20:09

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Originally Posted by Roush

Fortunately Samsung have smarter people than that making decisions.

Yup

Rossby41 · 22-12-2011, 21:43

I'm surprised Apple haven't sued the air we breath (Airport).

darkjedimaster · 22-12-2011, 22:15

Apple are not going to like this.

http://droidvideos.net/siri-holiday-...movie-trailer/

alanwarwic · 23-12-2011, 13:23

Do those supporting Apple also think iCloud should be banned?

Dropbox is said to have turned down a sale to Apple shortly before introduced the iCloud.

psionic · 30-12-2011, 12:38

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

Do those supporting Apple also think iCloud should be banned?

Dropbox is said to have turned down a sale to Apple shortly before introduced the iCloud.

Being a user of both iCloud and DropBox (which I still use in addition to iCloud), as far as I can tell they are totally different things. Dropbox is more for general purpose file syncing. ICloud is more for seamless iDevice data backup plus email and PIM syncing. It also provides automatic uploads of photos to computer via the Cloud. Although you can sync office docs with - it currently only really works well between iDevices and not so well with general purpose computers. This will probably improve when the new version of iWork is released.

moox · 30-12-2011, 12:55

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Originally Posted by chenks

again missing the point. it's the patent system that is flawed for allowing the patent to exist in the first place.

you can't blame any company for trying to protect something they think will give them an edge, the blame is in the system that allows them to do it.

HTC, Google, Microsoft, Apple, Samsung all own patents that are ridiculous. I assume you also boycott every one of these companies as they also sue people whilst protecting their patents.

I don't recall HTC/Google/Samsung suing for rather malicious reasons like Apple do.

The reason why those companies are arming themselves up with patents is to protect themselves if Apple do sue - it's always a good thing to be able to say "if you sue us, I'm sure we have a few patents that your product infringes on" with the result being a settlement or cross-licensing.

Google bought Motorola Mobility for largely that reason - since Motorola holds a ton of patents on mobile phone technology. That is also why Google gave some of these to HTC.

alanwarwic · 30-12-2011, 13:07

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Originally Posted by psionic

Dropbox is more for general purpose file syncing. ICloud is more for seamless iDevice data backup plus email and PIM syncing.

That is a main problem for any non games iAPP. Integration is only at the behest of Apple.

Roush · 30-12-2011, 13:15

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Originally Posted by moox

Google bought Motorola Mobility for largely that reason - since Motorola holds a ton of patents on mobile phone technology. That is also why Google gave some of these to HTC.

Google haven't bought Motorola Mobility (not yet anyway).

MMI only hold 370 US patents, most of which are either irrelevant to the current disputes, or cover hardware technology to which Apple already has an implied license through its suppliers. There are a couple of key ones though, including the synchronisation patent they are currently litigating over regarding iCloud in Germany.

To put the patent relevance issue into perspective, Samsung hold 46,613 US patents and they are struggling to find ones that are both relevant to their disputes with Apple and strong enough to affect Apple in significant way.

alanwarwic · 17-06-2016, 19:10

http://macdailynews.com/2016/06/16/c...n-in-iphone-6/

And later https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...-beijing-china

It is the same sort of rubbish, just reversed. Some of it likely filters into the China US trade tensions.

I guess banning last years iPhone is no big deal. If anything it may have increased sales for Baidi.

d123 · 17-06-2016, 20:33

You had to necro a 5 year old thread?

Surely the logical way was to just post a new thread? especially as the link talks about someone suing Apple, not Apple suing someone...

22-12-2011, 13:54	#51
Fran Blakes Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: In bed watching TV Posts: 837	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles Ah but try any other shop and its perfectly easy. If only! PC World/Currys is the only local computer/laptop retailer.

22-12-2011, 14:08	#52
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Quote: Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan Just copying and hoping its good enough isn't. Apple shoved 10 quite stupid patents together to fudge the issue. Methinks we were in a way lucky to have Microsoft controlling everything for so long. Apple copied the PDA and improved it. Android has improved it even further making it all function like a traditional computer. Apple's only answer to this is to turn the clock back several years.

22-12-2011, 14:19	#53
Tigerpaws Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Anywhere but here Posts: 10,736	Quote: Originally Posted by david.boobis The problem with this patent dispute is that it was a Samsung owned subsidiary that designed the case, Samsung immediately said it was nothing to do with them, and it was never sold. So basically Apple are suing over a couple of pictures on the internet. The latest patent dispute has been wrongly reported in the media it is not about the smart covers its about the actual casing on the phone and tablet Quote: Samsung has released an official statement on the issue, noting that the term "case" was misinterpreted in early media reports as referring to protective case accessories. In fact, the term was referring to the external design of the devices themselves.

22-12-2011, 14:25	#54
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by Tigerpaws The latest patent dispute has been wrongly reported in the media it is not about the smart covers its about the actual casing on the phone and tablet Good god! I think apple are becoming desperate now tbh. Pretty much every other lawsuit has been thrown out so they cobble this one together lol I do wish Samsung would fudge them completely and pull out supplying the parts to Apple. Might shut them up for a while.

22-12-2011, 14:26	#55
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by Fran Blakes If only! PC World/Currys is the only local computer/laptop retailer. Ah ok lol We have plenty here other then pcworld/currys.

22-12-2011, 14:41	#56
Roush Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Hertfordshire Posts: 2,938	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles I do wish Samsung would fudge them completely and pull out supplying the parts to Apple. Might shut them up for a while. For a while, but Samsung would be wholly liable for Apple's losses and would end up owing Apple billions in lost revenue. Fortunately Samsung have smarter people than that making decisions.

22-12-2011, 14:43	#57
Tigerpaws Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Anywhere but here Posts: 10,736	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles Good god! I think apple are becoming desperate now tbh. Pretty much every other lawsuit has been thrown out so they cobble this one together lol I do wish Samsung would fudge them completely and pull out supplying the parts to Apple. Might shut them up for a while. Why would they do that? It would cost them far too much money. A number of the lawsuits have yet to be decided. Samsung were given a opportunity to settle one of the suits and pay the licence but choose to roll the dice and challenge the patent (not this one can't remember the specific one) which both companies have a right to do not sure why apple are the big bad here.

22-12-2011, 15:55	#58
clonmult Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,291	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles Good god! I think apple are becoming desperate now tbh. Pretty much every other lawsuit has been thrown out so they cobble this one together lol I do wish Samsung would fudge them completely and pull out supplying the parts to Apple. Might shut them up for a while. Apple would just buy from another supplier, there are others out there .... The lawsuits do appear to be getting somewhat petty though, and as with all such things, the only winners are invariably the lawyers.

22-12-2011, 17:00	#59
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Apple seldom buys suppliers, they just buy their merchandise whilst often requesting design enhancements. Apple know that by choosing suppliers they can always stay towards the front lane of technology. I'm also sure they are also quite happy having most of the heavy spenders as customers.

22-12-2011, 17:16	#60
david.boobis Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 376	Quote: Originally Posted by Tigerpaws The latest patent dispute has been wrongly reported in the media it is not about the smart covers its about the actual casing on the phone and tablet So it's the same patent they've been throwing about for most of 2011? That's not news...

22-12-2011, 20:09	#61
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by Roush Fortunately Samsung have smarter people than that making decisions. Yup

22-12-2011, 21:43	#62
Rossby41 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 844	I'm surprised Apple haven't sued the air we breath (Airport).

22-12-2011, 22:15	#63
darkjedimaster Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Deathstar Posts: 15,398	Apple are not going to like this. http://droidvideos.net/siri-holiday-...movie-trailer/

23-12-2011, 13:23	#64
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Do those supporting Apple also think iCloud should be banned? Dropbox is said to have turned down a sale to Apple shortly before introduced the iCloud.

30-12-2011, 12:38	#65
psionic Forum Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Crystal Palace TX Posts: 19,702	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic Do those supporting Apple also think iCloud should be banned? Dropbox is said to have turned down a sale to Apple shortly before introduced the iCloud. Being a user of both iCloud and DropBox (which I still use in addition to iCloud), as far as I can tell they are totally different things. Dropbox is more for general purpose file syncing. ICloud is more for seamless iDevice data backup plus email and PIM syncing. It also provides automatic uploads of photos to computer via the Cloud. Although you can sync office docs with - it currently only really works well between iDevices and not so well with general purpose computers. This will probably improve when the new version of iWork is released.

30-12-2011, 12:55	#66
moox Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 14,645	Quote: Originally Posted by chenks again missing the point. it's the patent system that is flawed for allowing the patent to exist in the first place. you can't blame any company for trying to protect something they think will give them an edge, the blame is in the system that allows them to do it. HTC, Google, Microsoft, Apple, Samsung all own patents that are ridiculous. I assume you also boycott every one of these companies as they also sue people whilst protecting their patents. I don't recall HTC/Google/Samsung suing for rather malicious reasons like Apple do. The reason why those companies are arming themselves up with patents is to protect themselves if Apple do sue - it's always a good thing to be able to say "if you sue us, I'm sure we have a few patents that your product infringes on" with the result being a settlement or cross-licensing. Google bought Motorola Mobility for largely that reason - since Motorola holds a ton of patents on mobile phone technology. That is also why Google gave some of these to HTC.

30-12-2011, 13:07	#67
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Quote: Originally Posted by psionic Dropbox is more for general purpose file syncing. ICloud is more for seamless iDevice data backup plus email and PIM syncing. That is a main problem for any non games iAPP. Integration is only at the behest of Apple.

30-12-2011, 13:15	#68
Roush Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Hertfordshire Posts: 2,938	Quote: Originally Posted by moox Google bought Motorola Mobility for largely that reason - since Motorola holds a ton of patents on mobile phone technology. That is also why Google gave some of these to HTC. Google haven't bought Motorola Mobility (not yet anyway). MMI only hold 370 US patents, most of which are either irrelevant to the current disputes, or cover hardware technology to which Apple already has an implied license through its suppliers. There are a couple of key ones though, including the synchronisation patent they are currently litigating over regarding iCloud in Germany. To put the patent relevance issue into perspective, Samsung hold 46,613 US patents and they are struggling to find ones that are both relevant to their disputes with Apple and strong enough to affect Apple in significant way.

17-06-2016, 19:10	#69
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	http://macdailynews.com/2016/06/16/c...n-in-iphone-6/ And later https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...-beijing-china It is the same sort of rubbish, just reversed. Some of it likely filters into the China US trade tensions. I guess banning last years iPhone is no big deal. If anything it may have increased sales for Baidi.

17-06-2016, 20:33	#70
d123 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,993	You had to necro a 5 year old thread? Surely the logical way was to just post a new thread? especially as the link talks about someone suing Apple, not Apple suing someone...

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