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Beyonce or Britney?
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iseloid
23-12-2011
Originally Posted by O.Michel:
“Exactly!!Her fans/stans seem to regard her as an exceptional performer who can do no wrong, but what about THIS?? She's consistent, yes, but what she's consistent at is mediocrity, she's by no means as excellent as she's made out to be She could get there possibly, though, but not yet...”

note the song title. check on it. its about checking her out - hence the song title!
iseloid
23-12-2011
Originally Posted by Josh Pinder:
“^^ THIS!

I mean how many people had THAT much overnight attention since Baby One More Time was released Pre-BOMT, Britney who? Post-BOMT...i wanna be Britney! You know.

Beyonce and so so so many of todays pop stars havent achieved that level of fame and superstardom Britney achieved in one full swoop in 1999 and to this day!

Its fair enough saying Beyonce is more vocally talented and a more positive role model.

But at the end of the day Britney isnt about "powerhouse vocals" she is about the hysteria...i remember a fan saying months ago that they would pay to see Britney sit and eat a sandwich because it was Britney...Beyonce couldnt do that lol!

I feel that despite the media attention of her comeback...her most recent material Blackout onwards...is very overlooked and underrated! DS recent compilation of Song Of The Year shows that Till The WOrld Ends was as much a powerful stomper of an anthem as anything! But lower chart positions etc is disappointing really...not that it is "shit, generic, sub-par" but because it is very overlooked because Britney is capable of being THAT good. It is a sad irony really.”

but she didnt get the attention through talent. it was the whole label image thing. they create a persona through dress sense, style, music etc. britney was the barbie doll. and she brought it on herself, as did her label. i remember the head shaving rubbish.she looked like a woman possessed. beyonces been famous for longer and has maintained her cool through it. her family were there for her and taught her how to handle fame. i dont get how britney managed to go bonkers. yes they followed her, and unnecessarily too. cant a US star get an injunction of a sort, like they did for prince william when he went to uni? i guess not, seeing as its the USA. MJ had the same problem too. being friends with the media is like being friends with the devil.

in the end the media destroyed MJ, even writing rubbish and lies about him during the infamous 2005 trial, simply misquoting things and printing it as gospel, when the printed thing never happened in the court. they follow gaga, and rihanna but they dont go mad. MJ was hyper popular during the thriller era, but it didnt affect him. he simply didnt do interviews. and the media knew the score. once he let them in, that was it. in short, you can do things to stop/limit the media's power. beyonce manages it fine.
da3bool
23-12-2011
Beyonce as many of young and upcoming artists tout her as their inspiration growing up and she's only 30. We shouldn't forget how the legends of the pasts hold Beyonce in high regrads.

I also believe Beyonce's last 3/4 albums all outsold Britney's

I also adore Britney
big dan
23-12-2011
Originally Posted by Josh Pinder:
“^^ THIS!

I mean how many people had THAT much overnight attention since Baby One More Time was released Pre-BOMT, Britney who? Post-BOMT...i wanna be Britney! You know.

Beyonce and so so so many of todays pop stars havent achieved that level of fame and superstardom Britney achieved in one full swoop in 1999 and to this day!

Its fair enough saying Beyonce is more vocally talented and a more positive role model.

But at the end of the day Britney isnt about "powerhouse vocals" she is about the hysteria...i remember a fan saying months ago that they would pay to see Britney sit and eat a sandwich because it was Britney...Beyonce couldnt do that lol!

I feel that despite the media attention of her comeback...her most recent material Blackout onwards...is very overlooked and underrated! DS recent compilation of Song Of The Year shows that Till The WOrld Ends was as much a powerful stomper of an anthem as anything! But lower chart positions etc is disappointing really...not that it is "shit, generic, sub-par" but because it is very overlooked because Britney is capable of being THAT good. It is a sad irony really.”

I would pay to see Beyonce sit and eat a sandwich.
iseloid
23-12-2011
Originally Posted by big dan:
“I would pay to see Beyonce sit and eat a sandwich. ”

oddly...so would I
O.Michel
23-12-2011
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“note the song title. check on it. its about checking her out - hence the song title! ”

And your point is?? Her moves are similar to what a 5-year old girl would do in the mirror, yet she got paid millions to do THAT on stage??So what if the song is about checking her out?She could just sit on a chair if she wanted people to check her out or better yet do actual choreography... How about that?The only title that would justify her "routine" on that performance would be "crazy sleep deprived lady clubbing after 10 cups of coffee". The actual title doesn't justify her choice of "dance steps", I'm afraid :sleep:
iseloid
23-12-2011
Originally Posted by O.Michel:
“And your point is?? Her moves are similar to what a 5-year old girl would do in the mirror, yet she got paid millions to do THAT on stage??So what if the song is about checking her out?She could just sit on a chair if she wanted people to check her out or better yet do actual choreography... How about that?The only title that would justify her "routine" on that performance would be "crazy sleep deprived lady clubbing after 10 cups of coffee". The actual title doesn't justify her choice of "dance steps", I'm afraid :sleep:”

seen the video for it? shes done more than check on it and you know it. shes quite the dancer.
TheChicagoBaron
23-12-2011
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“she brought it on herself, as did her label. i remember the head shaving rubbish.she looked like a woman possessed. beyonces been famous for longer and has maintained her cool through it. her family were there for her and taught her how to handle fame. i dont get how britney managed to go bonkers.”

If the stories about Britney suffering from post-natal depression and bi-polar disorder are true, which I think they are, it's a stupid comparison.

If you even take away the fact that Britney Spears is Britney Spears and put it in the context of an ''ordinary'' woman; we had a mother-of-two abusing alcohol, acting erratically in public, losing any sense of personal hygiene/care for herself, crying spontaneously outside of her home, reported drug use, losing custody of her kids, put under suicide watch after being sectioned - all in the aftermath of a divorce.

So comparing Beyoncé ''maintaining her cool'' to a person going through all of that is pretty ignorant.
O.Michel
23-12-2011
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“seen the video for it? shes done more than check on it and you know it. shes quite the dancer.”

I've seen the video and it got attention because she was hot, not because she executed her choreo well.And yes, after 10 years of hardcore training, Beyonce was capable to pull off a proper 2-step in 2006, which is why I think it's a true parody that she made a choreography out of patting her damn weave while spreading her legs.

Anyway, I truly hope those days are gone.Her 'RTW' choreography was promising (not the "look at me, I can shake like a chicken" or the rolling in the sand part, I'm talking about the choreo she did for the first verse), so maybe, after 15 years of training, she will showcase some clean, well orchestrated, synchronised choreography.However, since 'Check On It' was a much bigger hit than 'RTW', I'm afraid she'll come back wig tossing, booty popping and doing a 3-minute melisma competition with herself over a disposable pop song
CSweeet7
23-12-2011
Beyonce cannot be praised for 'keeping her cool' when Britney didn't as they are in two entirely different situations. In all honesty, I know that Beyonce is very popular and highly regarded by the music industry but the media/public/industry have never cared as much about Beyonce as they have Britney

Britney had to deal with: handling the pressure of being the number 1 female in the business at the time, 2 kids, a breakdown, a divorce, at least 20 paps following her around daily and just her life being totally ruined. So while Beyonce's family may have 'kept her grounded and taught her' or whatever, Beyonce's career has never seen the fever pinch of Britney's.
ScotchMisst
23-12-2011
I just get the feeling that Britney is being marketed, used manipulated by her people who are putting her out there and reaping the profits. Wasn't there something about her dad?
Beyonce on the other hand is totally in control and is a real business woman.

Maybe it's the naivety of Britney, she comes across as a little girl, and an unstable one at that, I forget she is a woman and a mother, but there are some mercenary people in that business and I really feel for her, I hope she is strong enough to assert herself and maybe take control of her music too.
lordo350
23-12-2011
Is there a niether vote?
Britney has the nostalgia of being big when I was growing up, but I was never a big fan.
Beyonce's okay, but man is she sexist. Pretty much every song she does is slagging off blokes. Sure, most diva songs concern a break up or a love affair at some kind, but she does not hold back telling us what complete prats all men are. "If I was a boy," especially is ridiculous! If a bloke released such a sexist single, he'd be slated. The lass is happily married for the love of God!
big dan
23-12-2011
Originally Posted by CSweeet7:
“Beyonce cannot be praised for 'keeping her cool' when Britney didn't as they are in two entirely different situations. In all honesty, I know that Beyonce is very popular and highly regarded by the music industry but the media/public/industry have never cared as much about Beyonce as they have Britney

Britney had to deal with: handling the pressure of being the number 1 female in the business at the time, 2 kids, a breakdown, a divorce, at least 20 paps following her around daily and just her life being totally ruined. So while Beyonce's family may have 'kept her grounded and taught her' or whatever, Beyonce's career has never seen the fever pinch of Britney's.”

To be honest no true stars (by this I pretty much mean talented popular ones) really garner that much press attention, why? - Because they're classy, dignified and don't offer the press enough of a glimpse in their lives for the media industry to take interest in.

I assumed, rightly or wrongly, from the OP and first couple of pages that this was a debate about which of them was a better role model - now I'm not really sure what the debate is about to be honest? Seems to be a debate of talent vs personal problems/media coverage... in any instance I know which one wins for me! This is a music forum after all.
iseloid
23-12-2011
Originally Posted by CSweeet7:
“Beyonce cannot be praised for 'keeping her cool' when Britney didn't as they are in two entirely different situations. In all honesty, I know that Beyonce is very popular and highly regarded by the music industry but the media/public/industry have never cared as much about Beyonce as they have Britney

Britney had to deal with: handling the pressure of being the number 1 female in the business at the time, 2 kids, a breakdown, a divorce, at least 20 paps following her around daily and just her life being totally ruined. So while Beyonce's family may have 'kept her grounded and taught her' or whatever, Beyonce's career has never seen the fever pinch of Britney's.”

paparazzi are annoying but my gran had to go through a divorce and work multiple jobs with 9 kids. britneys image made her a target. thats not an excuse to completely lose it. her career might not have seen a fever pitch but shes only 25m records off britneys total. so not statistically far off. and the media wouldnt hawk beyonce although they try to. shes not an easy target, her lawyers are deadly and shes intensely private.
iseloid
23-12-2011
Originally Posted by lordo350:
“Is there a niether vote?
Britney has the nostalgia of being big when I was growing up, but I was never a big fan.
Beyonce's okay, but man is she sexist. Pretty much every song she does is slagging off blokes. Sure, most diva songs concern a break up or a love affair at some kind, but she does not hold back telling us what complete prats all men are. "If I was a boy," especially is ridiculous! If a bloke released such a sexist single, he'd be slated. The lass is happily married for the love of God!”

the song wasnt written by beyonce. bc jean (i think) wrote it. she sang it. and the idea is really good behind it, lyrically putting yourself in a woman/mans position.run the world girls was right though. looking at the music biz, women rule the world and have done since the mid 80s. there was only MJ being a massive star (stevie wonder was the legend of the 70s) compared to whitney and madonna. followed by mariah and then the spice girls, DC, TLC, en vogue etc. shes not sexist just feminist. there is only madonna and beyonce i can think of who lyrically 'stan' for women so to speak. other than that beyonce doesnt really slag men off.
sweetmiss
23-12-2011
Christina Aguilera
O.Michel
23-12-2011
Originally Posted by sweetmiss:
“Christina Aguilera ”

YES!
CSweeet7
23-12-2011
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“paparazzi are annoying but my gran had to go through a divorce and work multiple jobs with 9 kids. britneys image made her a target. thats not an excuse to completely lose it. her career might not have seen a fever pitch but shes only 25m records off britneys total. so not statistically far off. and the media wouldnt hawk beyonce although they try to. shes not an easy target, her lawyers are deadly and shes intensely private.”

I doubt your Gran was judged by the entire world though and critisized for everything that she did. And if I'm correct, I believe that Britney's first album sales fall just short of Beyonce's entire album sales added together so I think Britney will always have the edge commercially.

But back to role models, Britney is better as she turned her life around and came back better than ever but Beyonce is just a sexist pig who needs to find something else but how awful men are to put in her songs.
Namira
23-12-2011
As talented and polished as Beyonce is, I just can't connect with her or her music. She's like a robot and her songs aren't very good.

Not a huge Britney fan, and she's not nearly as talented but I prefer her to Beyonce.
iseloid
23-12-2011
Originally Posted by CSweeet7:
“I doubt your Gran was judged by the entire world though and critisized for everything that she did. And if I'm correct, I believe that Britney's first album sales fall just short of Beyonce's entire album sales added together so I think Britney will always have the edge commercially.

But back to role models, Britney is better as she turned her life around and came back better than ever but Beyonce is just a sexist pig who needs to find something else but how awful men are to put in her songs.”

no of coure not, but she held it together over tough times. tougher than britneys. so people watch her like a hawk. get someone to do your shopping and be on your best behaviour. its not THAT hard. madonna managed it fine. britney has the records edge but beyonce has the business/financial edge. and deserves her success which britney does not. its not about turning your life around its about you as a person and beyonce is the better person, she isnt sexist at all or she wouldnt have married a MAN would she? and actually listen besides run the world and if i were a boy, she hasnt dissed men at all. she professes a lot of love for her man on 4. and she has love at the centre of her songs. have an actual look.
iseloid
23-12-2011
Originally Posted by Namira:
“As talented and polished as Beyonce is, I just can't connect with her or her music. She's like a robot and her songs aren't very good.

Not a huge Britney fan, and she's not nearly as talented but I prefer her to Beyonce.”

and britneys are better? crazy in love v hit me baby one more time? single ladies v i'm a slave 4 u? just NO. listen to her music properly. most of it is about jay-z believe it or not. from her debut to 4. beyonce's songs are good, dont be silly.
iseloid
23-12-2011
opinions are cool, but look at things seriously.
CSweeet7
23-12-2011
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“opinions are cool, but look at things seriously.”

But when anyone offers an opinion you don't agree with you just shoot it down and ignore and claim you're right all the time Both deserve the success, but Britney worked incredibly hard in her early years so deserves everything positive she has been given. But why do people always slate Britney for having the breakdown? She had an unbelivevably hard time and people just label it as a 'rough patch' she deserved. Few people could be in her situation and pull through unscathed.
iseloid
23-12-2011
Originally Posted by CSweeet7:
“But when anyone offers an opinion you don't agree with you just shoot it down and ignore and claim you're right all the time Both deserve the success, but Britney worked incredibly hard in her early years so deserves everything positive she has been given. But why do people always slate Britney for having the breakdown? She had an unbelivevably hard time and people just label it as a 'rough patch' she deserved. Few people could be in her situation and pull through unscathed.”

no i slate her full stop, i dont appreciate an act having success without the necessary talent - ie live vocals and overall performance. i was referring to saying beyonces songs are bad/not good when thats not the case. i never claim im right all the time at all. few would end up in that situation anyway, it should be about the music. the media were more obsessed about MJ than her during his career and he handled it fine until the 90s. he never went mad because of the pressure of fame, he'd had it since he was 9. from a non fan perspective, britneys breakdown just looked stupid. it really did, she looked like a silly woman. people were thinking 'what on earth is she doing?'
big dan
23-12-2011
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“no of coure not, but she held it together over tough times. tougher than britneys. so people watch her like a hawk. get someone to do your shopping and be on your best behaviour. its not THAT hard. madonna managed it fine. britney has the records edge but beyonce has the business/financial edge. and deserves her success which britney does not. its not about turning your life around its about you as a person and beyonce is the better person, she isnt sexist at all or she wouldnt have married a MAN would she? and actually listen besides run the world and if i were a boy, she hasnt dissed men at all. she professes a lot of love for her man on 4. and she has love at the centre of her songs. have an actual look.”

Was just about to post about this. '4' is possibly one of the most completely positively themed albums I've ever heard to be honest - a shame she picked pretty much the one song on the album that helps perpetuate people's ideas of her as a 'man-hater' as the lead single.

I'm not normally one to shoot down the opinions, but I've seen some people on this thread use the fact that Beyonce hasn't faced the challenges Britney has as a negative against her and that Britney wins as she's overcame her obstacles. I don't understand, when comparing musical artists, the small fact that one is vastly more talented than the other can be overlooked in favour of such factors?!
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