The John James Appreciation Thread (Part 11)

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Diddididi

04-04-2012

Originally Posted by ucra girl:
“Thank you very much for adding me on Loys Forever.However right now I couldnt careless.This so called 'adding' is coming now after I have gone public.You had all the time in the world to sort this out on FB.If I had kept my mouth shut ,you wouldnt be here trying to 'add' me?.I was bullied,fact and I was upset and disgusted over the way I was treated on Loys Forever. I havent named anyone and I know the names.Why do you assume it is you? Do you want me to name names?It works both ways you know,I am absolutely upset.

Everyone here knows I wanted to talk to you in particular before I told the JJAT.You had deleted me so where did you want to me to find you?No one bothered to talk to me or even inbox me about it as a group member.When I logged on to find out what was going on the cull was happening that night.I only told the JJAT after I confirmed that I had been deleted yesterday.I have priciples and I will stand by them.I can only be in a group if I have respect for people in it something I have lost.So no sleepless nights from me over it,sorry.I am more than happy to appreciate John James from the JJAT.”

I am not going to argue with you as there clearly is no reasoning,if you checked a message was placed on the loys admin page explaining about re adding way before you went public as you call, as you can imagine all the admin we busy receiving and replying to inboxes to individually message people, you were never bullied nor removed (as we could for the tagging) you along with all the others were removed as a non poster, as stated we then were going to check make sure mistakes had not been (we are human) and I would have vouched for you again but to be lumped in as bully was not called for
to be honest Gemma created the group and is entitled to run it as she see fit, John is not now nor never has been cohersed into joining or staying he chose to do so and we are grateful for that and try to respect his wishes as much as we can
Asking someone not to tag is not bullying and if you believe it is I have nothing but pity for you, I have totally lost any respect I had for you, after your bullying label we have never and would never bully any member of the club but the rule is there for a reason and playing the bullying card is a very low act, I too have principles and am appalled someone would accuse anyone of bullying with a proof and b coming to me first
I did not but try and help you in the first place and you included me in it all by saying admin,

I have no idea where you ever got the idea if you were a regular that we were a fan club/PR system you clearly did not read the group

Gemma was upset to have to make the decision but we need to try and stop all the leaks and I am not accusing you nor anyone, non poster were the first to be removed and like i said some have already been re added and you would have probably been one, but yo kissed that one by what you did, even upset yo could have tried to find out what had happened instead you chose to rant on here, which again is unfair to the posters on here

sorry everyone else didn't mean to drag the crap here but I will not be referred as a bully by anyone upset or not,

ucra girl

04-04-2012

Originally Posted by muggins14:
“I don't really know much about the subject at hand, in that I don't know the details of the recent 'cull' ... and I don't really want to know.

I understand Ucra's anger at what happened to her, it does sound like a massive overreaction to what was a mistake.

Whether the Fb page is a fan page or a group of friends, that's up to them. However, I would say that John sees it as a fanpage as obviously he is a member of the group and they are certainly not his friends ... I don't mean that as an insult but that isn't the basis of his interraction with the group or theirs with him; it's the basis of their interraction with each other. I imagine he trusts that the admins are allowing John supporters into the group as they say they do... but obviously don't... and I do recall the 'leaked' transcript where a bloke joined the group and it all kicked off for what seemed to be no apparent reason whatsoever; if that's the case with any new member, then who would really want to be a part of such a group anyway?

I wonder what he would think about 100 or so people being ejected from the group for no good reason... other than not posting much, which I'm told is the reason. Some people are shy about posting on public forums, it's an unfair, ridiculous reason if this is indeed the case. If John's timeline is anything like the Fb page, I wouldn't have much to say either I don't declare my love for anybody other than Laura and a couple of friends, and certainly not John or his friends that weren't even on BB lol.

The impression I get from what I hear is that it's very much the case that anything said about John, his friends, etc., has to be fairly obsequious; I always assumed this was because it was felt he might not post if anything negative or untoward was said regarding anybody. They didn't want to scare him away.

At the end of the day, I really don't think he cares that much who is and isn't a member of the group, and probably thought it would peter out eventually rather than become what it has now.”

Well said muggins

Diddididi

04-04-2012

Originally Posted by ucra girl:
“[/b]

Seriously Ucra girl-BA(SWSA) Makerere University Kampala ,Msc Social Research Middlesex University London,now Creative Writing CityLit London. Knows the difference between 'asked' and 'bullied'- I am a writer!!!!

Do you want me to put my CV here?

Gemma is owed an apology? Is that a joke?”

clearly you do not know the difference

sorry guys I know it not fair on you so I won't be replying again to this, anyone who knows and who I care ab out know I would never bully anyone, I actually feel sick at your accusations, I would never , ever dream of accusing anyone that way

ucra girl

04-04-2012

Originally Posted by Diddididi:
“I am not going to argue with you as there clearly is no reasoning,if you checked a message was placed on the loys admin page explaining about re adding way before you went public as you call, as you can imagine all the admin we busy receiving and replying to inboxes to individually message people, you were never bullied nor removed (as we could for the tagging) you along with all the others were removed as a non poster, as stated we then were going to check make sure mistakes had not been (we are human) and I would have vouched for you again but to be lumped in as bully was not called for
to be honest Gemma created the group and is entitled to run it as she see fit, John is not now nor never has been cohersed into joining or staying he chose to do so and we are grateful for that and try to respect his wishes as much as we can
Asking someone not to tag is not bullying and if you believe it is I have nothing but pity for you, I have totally lost any respect I had for you, after your bullying label we have never and would never bully any member of the club but the rule is there for a reason and playing the bullying card is a very low act, I too have principles and am appalled someone would accuse anyone of bullying with a proof and b coming to me first
I did not but try and help you in the first place and you included me in it all by saying admin,

I have no idea where you ever got the idea if you were a regular that we were a fan club/PR system you clearly did not read the group

Gemma was upset to have to make the decision but we need to try and stop all the leaks and I am not accusing you nor anyone, non poster were the first to be removed and like i said some have already been re added and you would have probably been one, but yo kissed that one by what you did, even upset yo could have tried to find out what had happened instead you chose to rant on here, which again is unfair to the posters on here

sorry everyone else didn't mean to drag the crap here but I will not be referred as a bully by anyone upset or not,”

I am a 48yr old woman with 2 children.I dont need pitying!!! Going our separate ways is the best solution and I cant be blackmailed into changing my statement.The poster who tagged me to alert me asked me proprely,before I could respond there were other spiteful posts which were being liked left right and centre.As the situation was being resolved Joanne came and told me to "get a grip".I did not decline a discussion with admn,the incident was around 1pm the message you are referring to was 9pm.There was time to sort this out if there was a will. If you call that 'asking' then I am happy to call English my second language.

Diddididi

04-04-2012

Originally Posted by ucra girl:
“I am a 48yr old woman with 2 children.I dont need pitying!!! Going our separate ways is the best solution and I cant be blackmailed into changing my statement.The poster who tagged me to alert me asked me proprely,before I could respond there were other spiteful posts which were being liked left right and centre.As the situation was being resolved Joanne came and told me to "get a grip".I did not decline a discussion with admn,the incident was around 1pm the message you are referring to was 9pm.There was time to sort this out if there was a will. If you call that 'asking' then I am happy to call English my second language.”

and I am 47 what has that got to do with anything, a post was made at 12.30p.m. on the admin page so get your facts correct, w cannot ask anyone not to like a comment I have read everything that was posted and a member of the admin asked you not to tag and by the way I have also checked it is not the first time you did it, if you call the jokey comments spiteful you do deserve every ounce of pity, from what I read Joanne told you to get a grip after you kicked off about the no tagging request and seriously if you cannot handle a comment like that you ready should steer clear of social networking sites

no one is blackmailing anyone

I suppose you will say I am bullying you now too and if you have no inbox as you claim how then do you expect the admin to message you

Diddididi

04-04-2012

sorry guys I think is best I steer clear from now as I don't think I will be welcome now..it has been nice knowing you and take car

sad it has come to this but I think it will probably be for the best

CrazyChick

04-04-2012

Originally Posted by Diddididi:
“sorry guys I think is best I steer clear from now as I don't think I will be welcome now..it has been nice knowing you and take car

sad it has come to this but I think it will probably be for the best”

You have every right to defend yourself Di. x

ellemay

04-04-2012

You will always be welcome on this thread. I've seen the crap the Loys have to put up with. x

Deeferone

04-04-2012

Good evening ladies and gentlemen, So is there any news from John James Parton - leaked or otherwise?

ellemay

04-04-2012

Originally Posted by Deeferone:
“Good evening ladies and gentlemen, So is there any news from John James Parton - leaked or otherwise?”

Nothing i think thats the way he wants it.

ellemay

04-04-2012

Originally Posted by Deeferone:
“Good evening ladies and gentlemen, So is there any news from John James Parton - leaked or otherwise?”

I want the book list any ideas?

Deeferone

04-04-2012

Originally Posted by ellemay:
“Nothing i think thats the way he wants it.”

Oh does he, well Mr Parton, how about sharing the love - I will have you know Georgy a well respected member of our thread as a lovely pair of pom poms, ready and waiting for your return - so please tweet us, something cryptic if possible, I like the debates afterwards. Yours sincerely a John James supporter, - well to be honest, there was that time you promoted "GoryFest" did not totally support you then - but blind support is worthless- anyway stop listening to me and get tweeting.

P.S Please

ellemay

04-04-2012

Originally Posted by Deeferone:
“Oh does he, well Mr Parton, how about sharing the love - I will have you know Georgy a well respected member of our thread as a lovely pair of pom poms, ready and waiting for your return - so please tweet us, something cryptic if possible, I like the debates afterwards. Yours sincerely a John James supporter, - well to be honest, there was that time you promoted "GoryFest" did not totally support you then - but blind support is worthless- anyway stop listening to me and get tweeting.

P.S Please”

You tell him x

Gloryfest seems so long ago

kfb

04-04-2012

Originally Posted by ellemay:
“I want the book list any ideas?”

Don't know if you really want the booklist or just a distraction but here it is.

Dark Fire - A J Sansome
Call the Midwives
Snowdrops - A L Miller
The Postmistress
Notes from a Small Island - Bill Bryson
Thousand Splendid Suns - Hosseini
The Book Thief - Zusak
The Help
The Photograph - Penelope Lively
The Paris Wife (dk who this is by)

ellemay

04-04-2012

Originally Posted by kfb:
“Don't know if you really want the booklist or just a distraction but here it is.

Dark Fire - A J Sansome
Call the Midwives
Snowdrops - A L Miller
The Postmistress
Notes from a Small Island - Bill Bryson
Thousand Splendid Suns - Hosseini
The Book Thief - Zusak
The Help
The Photograph - Penelope Lively
The Paris Wife (dk who this is by)”

Thanks i did want the book list but your right about the distraction too. x

I love the book thief x

Deeferone

04-04-2012

Originally Posted by ellemay:
“Thanks i did want the book list but your right about the distraction too. x

I love the book thief x”

Distraction from what? Sorry did I say something wrong

ellemay

04-04-2012

Originally Posted by Deeferone:
“Distraction from what? Sorry did I say something wrong”

Course you didnt

ucra girl

04-04-2012

Originally Posted by Diddididi:
“and I am 47 what has that got to do with anything, a post was made at 12.30p.m. on the admin page so get your facts correct, w cannot ask anyone not to like a comment I have read everything that was posted and a member of the admin asked you not to tag and by the way I have also checked it is not the first time you did it, if you call the jokey comments spiteful you do deserve every ounce of pity, from what I read Joanne told you to get a grip after you kicked off about the no tagging request and seriously if you cannot handle a comment like that you ready should steer clear of social networking sites

no one is blackmailing anyone

I suppose you will say I am bullying you now too and if you have no inbox as you claim how then do you expect the admin to message you”

BIB 1 That is patronising to the highest degree.It is actually sad that you had to resort to that.Loys Forever is not social networking sites btw.I came on DS in 2008,two years before you.I suppose I have more experience about social networking on this forum than you have and have been invloved in various ATs.

BIB2 You saved me from saying it. Sorry it hasnt worked.I did not claim not to have an in box,that is your imagination.If admin(Joanne) said they were putting the discussion on inbox why didnt they send me a message as well if there was a will to sort it out, is what I meant if you didnt understand my irony.

ucra girl

04-04-2012

Originally Posted by ellemay:
“You tell him x

Gloryfest seems so long ago”

I have no energy to laugh but this is funny lol.

Good night peeps.I am utterly exhausted!

bblover

04-04-2012

Originally Posted by ucra girl:
“Sorry bblover and augusta if you thought I was over reacting.I feel you are infact patronising me.It takes alot for me to react this way.I am a proffessional peson and a team player.You cant judge a situation you were not part of this harshly.I was nearly in tears at the time because I didnt think a minor mistake warranted such nastiness.If it a small thing for you,it is not a small thing for me.We are different people.
I am sensible enough to know that this should have been resolved on FB,but Loys did not give me an opporunity.

bblover you have got all my arguments wrong and out of context.If that is what you want to see you are free to see it,but it not what this is about.

Read muggins' post,she has put the situation clearly”

Is this shit still going on?

I Always saw you as a rational poster Ucra,believe it or not,i know you are upset,but frankly you are also exaggerating,i had no intention to patronise you,i come on here for lighthearted fun

Maybe once you calmed down,you'll see why i think your post were OTT.

Pls,don't take it personally,i am only addressing your posts,not the poster.

bblover

04-04-2012

Originally Posted by kfb:
“Don't know if you really want the booklist or just a distraction but here it is.

Dark Fire - A J Sansome
Call the Midwives
Snowdrops - A L Miller
The Postmistress
Notes from a Small Island - Bill Bryson
Thousand Splendid Suns - Hosseini
The Book Thief - Zusak
The Help
The Photograph - Penelope Lively
The Paris Wife (dk who this is by)”

There is no Horror books?

Diddididi

04-04-2012

Originally Posted by ucra girl:
“[/b]

BIB 1 That is patronising to the highest degree.It is actually sad that you had to resort to that.Loys Forever is not social networking sites btw.I came on DS in 2008,two years before you.I suppose I have more experience about social networking on this forum than you have and have been invloved in various ATs.

BIB2 You saved me from saying it. Sorry it hasnt worked.I did not claim not to have an in box,that is your imagination.If admin(Joanne) said they were putting the discussion on inbox why didnt they send me a message as well if there was a will to sort it out, is what I meant if you didnt understand my irony.”

strange reason LF is on facebook a social networking site..FACT

I have help run a website which includes a forum since 1998,till my health took a turn for the worse I was regular poster and surely it doesn't matter when you joined I was made very welcome so I have a very good grasp of social networking sites and forum usage

you said and by the way there is not now nor never has been an Admin called Joanne, you were advised and I have just re read it all if you had a problem to take to inbox if you chose not to it was up to you

I will say again I have never ever bullied anyone and am utterly disgusted that you even suggest it

and you are right it would never work because you actually seen unable to listen to my point of view what so ever

to everyone else I am really sorry about this in my opinion upset or not this should have never been brought across here at all it is totally unfair on all of you and for that I apologise

take care xxx

jackyo55

04-04-2012

Originally Posted by bblover:
“There is no Horror books?”

typical

Lindy_Loue

04-04-2012

Originally Posted by AlexBB3:
“I do think this has been an interesting discussion because there are 2 quite genuinely held perspectives on this.

Looking at it from POV of LoysAdmin, I can clearly see the quandary they've been put in. Observing the group in the earlier open days, I used to be astounded at some of the folks who were still in the membership list - peeps whose primary loyalty was clearly to Josie. So when the malicious leaks via the Pucks came, it was entirely predictable. Imo the Admins had a very real problem from the start, through no fault of their own. And if you add to that the fact John might be reluctant to post unless he has a smaller more stable environment in which to do so (understandable given the Sandlloys experience), Admins have had a difficult, nigh intractable, problem to deal with.

But then looking at it from POV of however many genuine John supporters who have now been "culled" (temporary, or not), their anger is perfectly understandable too. And it seems to me that Ucra's anger is only reflecting how many of those 100+ (?) peeps will be feeling. A seemingly 'arbitrary' split of the group with half being ejected with no notice was bound to cause serious annoyance and in some cases encourage peeps to give up on J/JJ completely.

Hopefully there's room for both these points of view on the thread, and certainly I empathise with both. But ultimately I agree with those who say we need to do what's necessary to encourage John into more communication.

”

I have been away from here for a day or two, and wow!

have things kicked off ! I am very sorry that people have been so upset (especially you, ucra, as you are such a long time and loyal supporter of John). As usual, Alex is the voice of reason

I think the above post is extremely well balanced, so far as I understand the issues ........

Thanks Alex

Lindy_Loue

05-04-2012

Goodnight all, sleep well :yawn: :sleep: :sleep:

Lindy xx

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