RTD is tending to his partner at the moment-the
poor bloke is suffering from cancer. He's probably
putting his whole TV career on hold at the moment.

Isn't it strange that it started with:

CE an ACTOR who had had many major dramatic roles under his belt and he brought that acting skill to Dr Who and gave it gravitas and balls.

Then:

DT an ACTOR who had had many major dramatic roles under his belt and he brought that acting skill to Dr Who and gave it gravitas and balls.

Then:

MS an unknown who can't act he way out of a paper bag and doesn't know what gravitas is, but that's no problem as Moffet has change Dr Who to suit him and made it gravitas free Dr Who lite.

Obviously teenage boys (and older) who are incapable of doing emotion and think that it's all sissy will never understand this and will love Dr Who lite as it will never contain anything they can't cope with. Meanwhile, the rest of us who are capable of experiencing a full range of emotions are suffering in this vacuum since RTD and the actors left.

The current set up is about as emotional and dramatic as a One Show article about bird watching.

Running about with fast camera cuts does not equal emotion unless the actor has set it up before hand to convey that they are in grave danger to the point that the viewer believes that they are.

Who can forget way back when CE told the Darleks "NO!" Worked up to and set up by the whole production and delivered with excellent timing leaving the audience standing and cheering.

And way too many moments in the DT era but watch "The family of blood" two parter to see Gravitas at it's best. The under current of the coming war, the war games played by the children 1000s of whom would be dead in the next couple of years, the trapped and hunted Dr having feelings he could never continue... And so many more episodes like that that MS would just be totally incapable of handling - Forget Dr Who, it was great drama in it's own right and that is what attracted people who would normally not watch Dr Who.

It's so black and white, I'm surprised some are having problems understanding. Must be the people who where incapable of feeling it at the time and now love the new set up that doesn't tax them at all in any way.

Pretending somebody who makes their living from acting is in some way not an actor is nonsensical.

Remind me - out of Chris, David and Matt, which one was it who got a BAFTA nomination for playing the Doctor?

Human Nature is indeed great, though.

Anyone who doubts Matt Smith's acting ability only
has to watch his excellent performances as
the Doctor and in other dramas such as
"Christopher and His Kind".

It might just be me, but shouldn't someone of you're age know better about opinions? That they aren't facts, and that they are only as valid as everyone else's, so if you claim others' are worthless then you are invalidating your own? Please, by all means have opinions, but once you start claiming they are the only ones that count, they automatically don't themselves.

Also, you only appear to be capable of petulance, arrogance and disdain. Hardly a full range of emotions yourself, I see.

Instead of claiming to be an adult, why not show that you are by posting maturely?

In the DWM Season Surveys during the Davies Era, I was dishing out marks out of ten that varied from 1 or 2 out of 10 (Lazarus Experiment, Doctor's Daughter) up to 9 or 10 out of 10 (Midnight, Blink).

In the Moffat Era, it's much more of a 6 or 7 out of 10 all round. There's much more consistency, and much less that grabs me.

I thoroughly enjoy Matt Smith's performance, and the current Doctor is one of my favourites. Amy and Rory are very likeable, warm and winning. The problem is: I generally don't have any idea what they are doing or why they are doing it. Haven't the faintest clue.

Last night's Christmas story was nice and straightforward, but the need to wrap everything up in one hour and give everyone a happy ending constrains things as it has since the first.

DW is no better or worse now than it has been at any other point since 2005. It's just different. And that's what DW is about.

Wow, you claim to be 50, yet don't seem to be aware that Doctor Who, in fact, started with William Hartnell and not Christopher Eccelston.

But then you also don't seem to understand the difference between subjective opinion and objective fact, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

I actually enjoyed the episode, it was easy to follow and looked really nice, which is exactly what I want on Christmas Day when I am sozzled up with beer

Moffat also kept up his tradition of 'Everybody lives', which fits perfectly with Christmas.

I do wish the BBC would allow the Christmas specials to be a bit longer though, perhaps two hours or a two parter split over Xmas Day and Boxing Day with each half lasting an hour and a half.

If some idiot wants to pay for me to sing at the Royal National Opera house then I could, but it wouldn't make me an opera singer.

Just because someone gives someone a job, it doesn't follow that they are good at it. In many a big company completely the wrong person is in a high up job because of who they know not because they are good at the job.

And you don't seem to be aware of the fact that this thread is about the RTD v the Moffet eras and not in any way about Pre that Dr Who.

So it is YOU who have got it completely wrong and I can't remember stating that I thought Dr Who started with CE - That is your assumption entirely.

What next are you going to invent that has nothing to do with the thread just so you can attack people who are posting things you don't like?

You are, of course, entitled to your views as much as I (and others) are entitled to disagree with you. You are not, however, entitled to call yourself a Doctor Who fan when you are quite incapable of spelling the word "Daleks".

In only your opinion - Now why did your post just sound like you telling me what is what like what you have to say is some sort of fact?

Guilty of your own complaint.

You really don't get it, do you? It is funny to see you respond like this and not see how much you are playing the tune I expect - but without any idea of the irony of what you are saying.

I'm sure everyone else can see it, though.

I don't see the logic of the implication that Matt Smith being an unknown in some way means he cannot be defined as an actor even though his job is acting, and that because he's an unknown he has to be worse than the two established actors who came before him. You said yourself that just because someone is an actor doesn't make them good, so why not accept that some people think that the unknown Matt Smith is a better Doctor than the established Christopher Eccelston, for example?


I don't remember ever authorising you to speak for me, and I am certainly neither a teenage boy nor emotionally limited. Please don't act as if you speak for everyone, because you don't, and it's arrogant and rude to assume that you do.


How did you manage to garner the reactions of every single person who watched that episode?


Really? How can a useful comparison been made when they are not episodes that Matt Smith has filmed? The number of wild assumptions you are making really is astounding...



I really am left wondering how you can't see how black and white it is that everything you have said is entirely subjective and not objective at all, therefore black and white is about as far from reality as you can get.

Actually, if you know anything about debating, you'd know that what I said is a debating convention, not 'my opinion'. If you meant what I said about your immature postings, then that isn't opinion either, as it's evident for all to read.

It's actually quite amusing watching this fifty-year-old, emotionally-mature genius selectively apply logic to either bolster their own opinion or dismiss those of others, yet seemingly remain totally oblivious to the fact that they're doing it.

Apparently, they are old and therefore their opinions are more valid than anyone who disagrees with them - who are all emotionally-stunted teenagers. Apparently.

Indeed! It'd be laughable, if it wasn't fire the fact that at 50 you would have expected them to have been taught at least some manners along the way...

It's an unfortunate truth that some people have absolutely no respect for the opinions of others. Age doesn't change that. In fact, it often makes it worse.

This thread is sometimes uncomfortable to read. This is a debate forum not an area for personal insults.

which was series 1 where it was finding its feet.

agree i am happy its on its just that, i dunno, its just that some episodes seem to be the same as to what I saw.

I liked the pirate episode for example but that got slated by lots of people

It was the second series, not the first.

Love and Monsters was series 2, but the farting aliens were series 1.

Personally, I'd also add the Adipose babies (Partners in Crime) and the guy making buzzing noises with his mouth (Unicorn and the Wasp) as rather childish. Both had me cringing when I watched them.

There's always been some silly, childish bits scattered among the drama over the years. Of course, it doesn't take away from the great episodes that were there, too.

Multiple Masters (cringe), Daleks in Manhatten - all of it - Fear Her, Love & Monsters, 'Doctor I'm bringing you back to Earth', Voyage of the Damned, Planet of the Dead, The End of Time, 'Hello Rassilon and goodbye' - all dire,...it goes on. Some superb stuff and some real dross.

As for actors I'd heard of Ecleston and Tennant but never seen them in anything. Eccleston was incredible and compelling. Tennant could be amazing but got very wearying with the Time Lord Victorious, God-complex stuff and the sentimentality. I'd never heard of Matt Smith and he blew me away within minutes of the start of the Eleventh Hour, His is the most incredibly layered Doctor I've seen for many a long year, and he carries everything he's in, even the less brilliant episodes.

All in my opinion, of course

IMHO his only error is upcoming.
Amy and Rory had a near perfect Exit last series.
bringing them back only to leave again seems a mistake.

I do think he's allowed Negative feedback to get to him.

I was reading an Article about just how much DW is pulling in for BBC world.Theres no way the BBC will allow the series to fall like it did in the 80's because the entire situation around TV has changed.Mr Moffat needs to keep the Faith and not allow negative doubts to creep in that always leads to 2nd Guessing the direction the show's being taken.

When you really think RTD and DT left at the same time.2 major players it just shows how strong the show really is.