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Old 29-08-2015, 16:44
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Without giving major spoilers could somebody tell me if you see a Master to Missy regeneration scene in TMA?
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Old 29-08-2015, 16:49
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As unlikely as I think it is, wouldn't what you want be a huge spoiler in and of itself?
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Old 29-08-2015, 16:52
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As unlikely as I think it is, wouldn't what you want be a huge spoiler in and of itself?
It wouldn't be that big as I have my suspecions it will happen. Knowing if John Simm came back for it and what cause it would be a major spoiler
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Old 29-08-2015, 18:09
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a Master to Missy regeneration scene
Myself, I'd rather there be the reverse...
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Old 29-08-2015, 20:36
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I would absolutely love to see it, and given it is the most dramatic change we've ever seen happen with the master then I'd class such a scene as important to be seen.

When the 50th was happening Moffat said something about being a 'box set' man who liked to see all the regenerations which is why he finally sorted the Mcgann/ Eccleston gap by showing Mcgann to Hurt and then showing Hurt to (almost) Eccleston. I hope he sticks to that with the currently unseen Simm to Gomez regeneration and dosen't leave a 'regeneration gap' so to speak.
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Old 29-08-2015, 21:48
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Myself, I'd rather there be the reverse...
It did come as quite a shock when it was revealed that the Master was now a woman, I don't mind admitting!

I thought that the Master was always going to be played by a man, as the Doctor has been since the show's birth in 1963. It seems better that the Master is male and not female.

When I re-watched Dark Water/Death in Heaven on DVD a couple of weeks ago, I kept telling myself "No, it's The Rani. It can't be the Master."

So, it seems as though I'm set in my ways, that the Master has to be a man, having seen six other male actors play the character, most notably Roger Delgado, Anthony Ainley and John Simm.
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Old 29-08-2015, 21:53
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ide rather the case was that the master stole a females body.
just how many lives does he actually have ?!
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Old 29-08-2015, 22:30
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ide rather the case was that the master stole a females body.
just how many lives does he actually have ?!
At the moment, I would say seven.

1. Roger Delgado (1971-1973)
2. Peter Pratt/Geoffrey Beevers (1976 & 1981, same incarnation)
3. Anthony Ainley (1981-1989)
4. Eric Roberts (1996)
5. Derek Jacobi (2007)
6. John Simm (2007-2010)
7. Michelle Gomez (2014-present)

Hope this helps.
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Old 29-08-2015, 22:44
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If they don't show the regeneration at some point then there will always be camps that deny that Missy is truly The Master.

Without the circumstances behind the regeneration its impossible to know the reason for the change. But her two hearts does make the possession of a female less likely IMO.
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Old 29-08-2015, 22:59
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At the moment, I would say seven.

1. Roger Delgado (1971-1973)
2. Peter Pratt/Geoffrey Beevers (1976 & 1981, same incarnation)
3. Anthony Ainley (1981-1989)
4. Eric Roberts (1996)
5. Derek Jacobi (2007)
6. John Simm (2007-2010)
7. Michelle Gomez (2014-present)

Hope this helps.
Well... he had expended all his lives.... before he stole a body... may or may not have recieced a new regeneration cycle... was executed... stole another body.... killed.... ressurected... killed.... resurrected again as some supernatural undead skeletor man... then somehow regenerated again... so I would say...

"it's complicated"
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Old 29-08-2015, 23:06
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At the moment, I would say seven.

1. Roger Delgado (1971-1973)
2. Peter Pratt/Geoffrey Beevers (1976 & 1981, same incarnation)
3. Anthony Ainley (1981-1989)
4. Eric Roberts (1996)
5. Derek Jacobi (2007)
6. John Simm (2007-2010)
7. Michelle Gomez (2014-present)

Hope this helps.
What about Jonathan Pryce in curse of the fatal death(1999)? Also Derek Jacobi played the master in 2003 in scream of the shalka.
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Old 29-08-2015, 23:17
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At the moment, I would say seven.

1. Roger Delgado (1971-1973)
2. Peter Pratt/Geoffrey Beevers (1976 & 1981, same incarnation)
3. Anthony Ainley (1981-1989)
4. Eric Roberts (1996)
5. Derek Jacobi (2007)
6. John Simm (2007-2010)
7. Michelle Gomez (2014-present)

Hope this helps.
There's also the young Master (William Hughes) we see in flashbacks in The Sound of Drums/ Last of the Time Lords and The End of Time.
I think most fans believe the Gordon Tipple version in the 1996 tv movie to be the same as Ainley's version, but I suppose there is the possibility he's a separate one.
And, if we count Big Finish as canon, Alex MacQueen's version is between Robert's and Jacobi's. So there's been 9 or 10 depending on how you view the Tipple Version.
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Old 29-08-2015, 23:25
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Isn't the Peter Pratt/Geoffrey Beevers version the decayed remnants of the Delgado incarnation. I've not seen where that's been stated but it has been mentioned on here a few times.
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Old 29-08-2015, 23:30
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Could the meddling monk from the time meddler and the dalek masterplan be the master or was he just another time lord?
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Old 30-08-2015, 00:11
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Could the meddling monk from the time meddler and the dalek masterplan be the master or was he just another time lord?
If you accept the the books/audio's as canon he's another Time Lord (Doc 8 meets him again in the audio's) but there's never been anything on TV that actually says he and the Master are not the same.

Same goes for the War Chief.
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Old 30-08-2015, 00:15
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If you accept the the books/audio's as canon he's another Time Lord (Doc 8 meets him again in the audio's) but there's never been anything on TV that actually says he and the Master are not the same.

Same goes for the War Chief.
What about the Master of Fiction in The Mind Robber? Was he the first Master by any chance?
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Old 30-08-2015, 00:18
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There's also the young Master (William Hughes) we see in flashbacks in The Sound of Drums/ Last of the Time Lords and The End of Time.
I think most fans believe the Gordon Tipple version in the 1996 tv movie to be the same as Ainley's version, but I suppose there is the possibility he's a separate one.
And, if we count Big Finish as canon, Alex MacQueen's version is between Robert's and Jacobi's. So there's been 9 or 10 depending on how you view the Tipple Version.
I was just talking about the TV Masters. I don't class the Big Finish Masters as canon, unless someone like Eric Roberts was to reprise the role, then that one plus the story would be canon.
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Old 30-08-2015, 00:19
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If they don't show the regeneration at some point then there will always be camps that deny that Missy is truly The Master.
And yet I bet those people have no problem accepting that Jacobi was The Master. They'll use the lack of a regeneration scene to try and justify their issue with gender-changing Time Lords...why not be upfront about their clear prejudices?
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Old 30-08-2015, 00:32
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It wouldn't be that big as I have my suspecions it will happen. Knowing if John Simm came back for it and what cause it would be a major spoiler
John Simm was excellent as The Master. Also a fan of his previous roles in "Human Traffic" and "Life on Mars".

The BBC may not be able to afford him now, which would be a shame, because he really played a good slightly insane "The Master" in my opinion.
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Old 30-08-2015, 00:40
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And yet I bet those people have no problem accepting that Jacobi was The Master. They'll use the lack of a regeneration scene to try and justify their issue with gender-changing Time Lords...why not be upfront about their clear prejudices?
On the mark.
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Old 30-08-2015, 01:06
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John Simm was excellent as The Master. Also a fan of his previous roles in "Human Traffic" and "Life on Mars".

The BBC may not be able to afford him now, which would be a shame, because he really played a good slightly insane "The Master" in my opinion.
John Simm was also great in State of Play alongside David Morrissey. The Lakes was also enjoyable. Got both on DVD.
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Old 30-08-2015, 01:09
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John Simm was also great in State of Play alongside David Morrissey. The Lakes was also enjoyable. Got both on DVD.
Haven't seen either unfortunately, but it would be nice if the BBC would reshow Life on Mars or rent it out to some other free to air channel like Dave.

Reminds me, I still haven't ordered that Human Traffic Blu Ray, its been on my wishlist for yonks!
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Old 30-08-2015, 01:19
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Haven't seen either unfortunately, but it would be nice if the BBC would reshow Life on Mars or rent it out to some other free to air channel like Dave.

Reminds me, I still haven't ordered that Human Traffic Blu Ray, its been on my wishlist for yonks!
I just looked on eBay, and the only Human Traffic Blu-Rays on there are from the US, Germany and France, so if you are prepared to pay 19 for it plus p&p, and get it shipped from overseas then go ahead. Otherwise, I'd look on amazon UK.

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Old 30-08-2015, 01:32
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I just looked on eBay, and the only Human Traffic Blu-Rays on there are from the US, Germany and France, so if you are prepared to pay 19 for it plus p&p, and get it shipped from overseas then go ahead. Otherwise, I'd look on amazon UK.

i knew there was a reason, I think you can get the DVD a lot cheaper, probably find it at CEX or Cash Converters for 50p!

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Old 30-08-2015, 02:30
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At the moment, I would say seven.

1. Roger Delgado (1971-1973)
2. Peter Pratt/Geoffrey Beevers (1976 & 1981, same incarnation)
3. Anthony Ainley (1981-1989)
4. Eric Roberts (1996)
5. Derek Jacobi (2007)
6. John Simm (2007-2010)
7. Michelle Gomez (2014-present)

Hope this helps.
According to the TARDISArchives channel on YouTube, The Master has had quite a few more "bodies" than that.

YouTube - TARDISArchives ... How many bodies has The Master had?
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