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Leona falls 60 places to #68
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Irishguy123
26-12-2011
Because it's shite, unoriginal and an insult to fans of the original songs.
leosw4
26-12-2011
Originally Posted by VoodooChic:
“What will they call the next flop? Easter egg mp3??”

LOL
Irishguy123
26-12-2011
Originally Posted by SonofaBeast:
“I always laugh when I read this.

Collide was not a buzz single. It was the lead single from the Glassheart album which was supposed to have been out in November. The single flopped and her label put the album back because they didn't want to release it on the back of an underperforming first single and at such a busy time of the year. They can spout of the excuse of "more inspiration" as the reason for putting it back all they want but they were scared the album would also flop.

Collide was in no way advertised as a buzz single when it was first released, fans are only calling it that now because it flopped.”

This, this and this!
trevvytrev21
26-12-2011
Originally Posted by shn321:
“It wasn't a proper single anyway, the EP is a gift to her fans so it's brilliant that it reached #8 in the first place. The lead single from Glassheart will be out in the new year.”

If it's a "gift to her fans" why isn't it on sale for free?

Originally Posted by shn321:
“Yes, plenty of artists release EPs for their fans, a recent example being Lady GaGa - A Very GaGa Holiday. It's like what many rap artists do when they release a mixtape, just a collection of songs for their fans that won't make it onto official album releases.

And like what many have pointed out on this thread, Collide was a summer single.”

A Christmas album isn't quite the same as an EP that's a so-called gift to her fanbase. I like Leona - she's talented and can acually sing an uptempo well (Outta My Head would have slayed Eurovision, IMO). Her label need to get real and stop thinking any old shit will sell because her name's on the front cover.
Irishguy123
26-12-2011
Originally Posted by snoopy10:
“It wasn't a buzz single, it was just a random summer single, said by Leona herself. Who keeps spreading the buzz single nonsense?

Anyway, Hurt's position was great that was off the back of two performances, she had no video/airplay at all ”

No it was not, it was the lead single from Glassheart, which had an intended release for November.
FleetSeb
26-12-2011
Hurt was far from a 'treat' if that was how it was intended. Johnny Cash must be turning in his grave and its not even his song!
Master Ozzy
26-12-2011
A buzz single, a summer single, a gift to her fans . These excuses from her fans just get better and better. I guess she's gearing up to release her Valentine's single next.
Alrightmate
26-12-2011
Originally Posted by shn321:
“No radio airplay and no video. The only promo it had was XF and RVP which can do only so much!

It wasn't a proper single anyway, the EP is a gift to her fans so it's brilliant that it reached #8 in the first place. The lead single from Glassheart will be out in the new year.”


That's generous isn't it?
Jewels501
26-12-2011
I'm a huge Leona fan and have supported her from the X Factor but I must say I am really disappointed with how her career is being managed.

I don't know how much input she has in the big decisions but I am dismayed at the lack of direction and cohesion from her label. She is a huge talent - her vocals are amazing and yet somehow she has a less than stellar career. Buzz single, present for the fans - to me just excuses.

She should be producing hit after hit - all the momentum from Spirit (which I actually didn't really rate) has been lost. On the evidence of Collide, it's hard to imagine her getting it back especially in America which she seemed to have broken.

I hope the new Glassheart resusicitates her career because as I said I really like her voice and she seems like a nice girl but at the moment things are on a downward trajectory.
Sazaleeno
26-12-2011
Originally Posted by Anika Hanson:
“.

The scene of the crime was a good song, Leona's best uptempo and suited her. I just can't keep up with collides official designation, buzz single, Summer song, random summer single, lead single. Anyhow I liked Collide, but it seems to me that Syco release weak uptempos and then when they don't do aswell as they wanted, they quickly get Leona to release a cover ballad and get her on the x-factor. They really have no other strategies at all.”

It is a bit confusing for sure lol . Collide was not the lead single from Glassheart. Even if the album was still released in November, there would have been another track premeired in October to be released the week before the album.
Abraham412
26-12-2011
Originally Posted by Master Ozzy:
“A buzz single, a summer single, a gift to her fans . These excuses from her fans just get better and better. I guess she's gearing up to release her Valentine's single next.”

Urgh so annoying. She FLOPPED! Plain and simple. Christina Aguilera, who is one of my fav artists ever flopped with her most recent album, Bionic. There are many things that made it flop such as choice of singles, lack of promo, media backlash etc but still that doesn't take away the fact that she flopped and she/her label could have done a few things differently.

Leona needs to leave Simon and his whole nonsense team. They thought they could re-create Bleeding Love from her 1st album with Happy from her 2nd but that clearly didn't work. Then they made her release that awful Collide out of nowhere. Her styling throughout the summer looked like a BAD attempt at her trying to be edgy coz she was probably fed up of being called 'boring' but that didn't help her single either.

It seems like they don't know what to do with her. But if she knows what SHE wants to do, sound like, sing and look like, she should either voice it to Syco or find another label/management that will. She would not have trouble find either of those if she was to leave Syco.
shn321
26-12-2011
Originally Posted by trevvytrev21:
“If it's a "gift to her fans" why isn't it on sale for free? ”

OK, gift was probably the wrong choice of words on my part

Originally Posted by trevvytrev21:
“A Christmas album isn't quite the same as an EP that's a so-called gift to her fanbase. I like Leona - she's talented and can acually sing an uptempo well (Outta My Head would have slayed Eurovision, IMO). Her label need to get real and stop thinking any old shit will sell because her name's on the front cover.”

I don't see how they're different things tbh?

And I don't think it was the labels decision to release the EP. If the label wanted it to be a proper single release they'd have sent the songs to radio and got a music video etc. It was something Leona decided to record for the fans whilst we wait for Glassheart because the album has been unfortunately pushed back for whatever reason.

I agree about her label being awful though.
Master Ozzy
27-12-2011
Originally Posted by Abraham412:
“Urgh so annoying. She FLOPPED! Plain and simple. Christina Aguilera, who is one of my fav artists ever flopped with her most recent album, Bionic. There are many things that made it flop such as choice of singles, lack of promo, media backlash etc but still that doesn't take away the fact that she flopped and she/her label could have done a few things differently.

Leona needs to leave Simon and his whole nonsense team. They thought they could re-create Bleeding Love from her 1st album with Happy from her 2nd but that clearly didn't work. Then they made her release that awful Collide out of nowhere. Her styling throughout the summer looked like a BAD attempt at her trying to be edgy coz she was probably fed up of being called 'boring' but that didn't help her single either.

It seems like they don't know what to do with her. But if she knows what SHE wants to do, sound like, sing and look like, she should either voice it to Syco or find another label/management that will. She would not have trouble find either of those if she was to leave Syco.”

I agree. I do think as well thought that part of the problem might be Leona herself. There's no denying that her voice is incredible, but I just don't think she has "IT". The voice is there, but she doesn't captivate me when she performs and I don't really feel any stage presence from her. Alexandra Burke ditched Simon and Syco after her first album and her 2nd album is rumored to be very, very good. She executive produced it herself too. In my opinion Alexandra is the only X Factor winner to ever have the X Factor and I've always thought she would have a long term career. I think her 2nd album will be the beginning of something very special for Alex. If this does prove to be the case, then maybe it will give Leona a jolt and make her ditch Simon. I fear though that even if Leona wants to part ways with Simon, that it won't be very easy. She's supposed to be the example of the X Factor that every other contestant is compared too...if Simon looses her then it sort of deflates the XF brand and ruins the standing of his tv show/brand. I also suspect that Alexandra probably voiced her opinion to death and really went hell for leather to get rid of him, whereas I can't see Leona standing up to him like that. I think Leona's next album is definitely make or break for her though. Sad really.
snoopy10
27-12-2011
Originally Posted by SonofaBeast:
“I always laugh when I read this.

Collide was not a buzz single. It was the lead single from the Glassheart album which was supposed to have been out in November. The single flopped and her label put the album back because they didn't want to release it on the back of an underperforming first single and at such a busy time of the year. They can spout of the excuse of "more inspiration" as the reason for putting it back all they want but they were scared the album would also flop.

Collide was in no way advertised as a buzz single when it was first released, fans are only calling it that now because it flopped.”

FANS DO NOT CALL IT A BUZZ SINGLE, WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THIS FROM!

The poster you quoted isn't a Leona fan, just a casual listener. How about you do a DS forum search and find posts with 'Leona Collide buzz single' - you will not find a SINGLE Leona fan calling it that. I've challenged many like you to do this and all of you have failed it's all the casual fans. Leona fans themselves know perfectly well that it was a summer single - intended to keep her in the limelight, introduce her to a new market and to increase anticipation before Trouble, the lead single for Glassheart (which was supposed to be released in November) and would actually launch the album. In this sense, it serves a similar PURPOSE to a buzz single, but it's not. It was released as a proper single.

So try again

Originally Posted by Irishguy123:
“No it was not, it was the lead single from Glassheart, which had an intended release for November.”

No, not lead single it was just her summer single. That's all it was called from the very start (pre-Avicii mess) - that's another thing her detractors try and claim, that they 'changed it' to being called a summer single when it looked like it wouldn't hit #1. Completely untrue again - Leona's announcement of the song (when everyone predicted it would be huge, again pre-Avicii mess), was her calling it her summer single. Nothing more.
SonofaBeast
27-12-2011
Originally Posted by snoopy10:
“FANS DO NOT CALL IT A BUZZ SINGLE, WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THIS FROM!”

I've seen it written on here numerous time by different people. I'm not the only one I assure you.

Originally Posted by snoopy10:
“The poster you quoted isn't a Leona fan, just a casual listener. How about you do a DS forum search and find posts with 'Leona Collide buzz single' - you will not find a SINGLE Leona fan calling it that.”

Actually if you search the music forum for "buzz single" you get quite a few Leona Lewis threads come up with posts from fans.

Originally Posted by snoopy10:
“ I've challenged many like you to do this and all of you have failed it's all the casual fans. Leona fans themselves know perfectly well that it was a summer single - intended to keep her in the limelight, introduce her to a new market and to increase anticipation

before Trouble, the lead single for Glassheart (which was supposed to be released in November) and would actually launch the album. In this sense, it serves a similar PURPOSE to a buzz single, but it's not. It was released as a proper single.”

I've personally never called it a buzz single. I said OTHERS have been calling it a buzz single because it underperformed. I've said all along that it was a proper single and it pretty much flopped.

"Collide" was also reported by Digital Spy at the LEAD single here:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/ne...ses-album.html

and here:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/ne...e-collide.html


Attach an OFFICIAL announcement that states "Trouble" was to be the second single from the album in November. The album push back was announced in September just weeks after Collide was released.



Originally Posted by snoopy10:
“No, not lead single it was just her summer single. That's all it was called from the very start (pre-Avicii mess) - that's another thing her detractors try and claim, that they 'changed it' to being called a summer single when it looked like it wouldn't hit #1. Completely untrue again - Leona's announcement of the song (when everyone predicted it would be huge, again pre-Avicii mess), was her calling it her summer single. Nothing more.”

"Collide" was released in September - bit late for a summer single.


From Wikipedia:

"Collide" was first announced as the first single from Lewis's third studio album, Glassheart via her official Twitter account on 14 July 2011.

A lead single is the first single released from an album which means "Collide" was the lead single.



Face it! Her album was pushed back because a) "Collide" underperformed b) the single cause trouble and bad publicity and c) several tracks from the album leaked ahead of its release and one of those was "Trouble".

Bury your head in the sand all you want.
shn321
27-12-2011
Originally Posted by SonofaBeast:
“Face it! Her album was pushed back because a) "Collide" underperformed b) the single cause trouble and bad publicity and c) several tracks from the album leaked ahead of its released including "Trouble".

She's pretty much done. Bury your head in the sand all you want.”

As far as I know, none of the tracks she's been recording for Glassheart have leaked so if you have links to these tracks, please send them my way.

And how is she "pretty much done"? People have been commenting on how the material for Glassheart is the strongest she's ever produced, Dean Piper's tweets for example:

Quote:
“So....alarm bells went when I heard Leona Lewis was heading back into the studio without a new album until next year. But.....

...I've just heard four tracks of new music. Can't give too much away but two tracks are easily her best work. Completely different....

...Different kettle of fish to her other work. Full of anger, emotion and very dark. Thrilled for Leona. Can't wait for you all to hear!

Also huge radio songs. Far cooler than anything she's ever done. Collide is weak in comparison. #leona”

I know that those tweets aren't fact but you can't say she's done without hearing her new material and seeing how it performs. If she's managed correctly this time round, I think it could be a successful era for her.
SonofaBeast
27-12-2011
Originally Posted by shn321:
“As far as I know, none of the tracks she's been recording for Glassheart have leaked so if you have links to these tracks, please send them my way.”

People have been messaging "Trouble" to each other on several forums including this one: http://www.popoverdose.com/showthread.php?p=333650

I've head it.

Originally Posted by shn321:
“and how is she "pretty much done"? People have been commenting on how the material for Glassheart is the strongest she's ever produced, Dean Piper's tweets for example:”

People were saying the material on "Echo" was her best yet and it was going to surprise a lot of people and look how that turned out. Her success diminished A LOT between her first and second album. "Echo" sold about 5 million less than "Spirit" and only pulled off one top 10 hit in the UK after her debut had 5. "Collide" also pretty much bombed outside the UK as well as underperforming in.

She will never come close to achieving the success she did with "Bleeding Love" again. She's a nice enough person and has a great voice but she has zero stage presence. She's just...meh. She needs better material and she needs to work on, well, working it.
shn321
27-12-2011
Originally Posted by SonofaBeast:
“People have been messaging "Trouble" to each other on several forums including this one: http://www.popoverdose.com/showthread.php?p=333650

I've head it.

People were saying the material on "Echo" was her best yet and that it was going to surprise a lot of people and look how that turned out. Her success diminished A LOT between her first and second album. "Echo" sold about 5 million less than "Spirit" and only pulled off one top 10 hit in the UK after her debut had 5. "Collide" also pretty much bombed outside the UK as well as underperforming in.

She will never come close to achieving the success she did with "Bleeding Love". She's nice enough and she has a great voice but is void of any stage presence and she's boring. She's just....meh.”

Yeah, I've heard about Trouble being sent around on other forums but I've not heard it so I'm just going by what reviews have said so far, think this is from the guardian:

Quote:
“Most intriguingly, there’s the stunning trip-hop of Trouble (“It’s very London,”), as if Kate Bush in 1979 was transported through a pop Tardis to front Massive Attack in 1991. Her spectral vocal imploring “I’m a whole lot of trouble.””

The version you've heard, is it a demo or the final version do you know? Some have said it was the Emeli Sande piano version that people have heard and not Leona's final version.

And I think Echo was actually a decent album (it did better with the critics than Spirit) but it was the wrong sound at the wrong time. When everyone was releasing Dance/RnB she came out with a Pop-Rock sound with the wrong lead single (even though I love Happy). Also, Syco never really gave Echo a chance, they only released 2 singles and even then it managed to go 2x platinum.

She was massive in 2007/08 with Spirit which I agree was most likely her peak, but I think she could still perform well internationally IF Syco manage her right and learn from their mistakes with Echo.
mrcynical
27-12-2011
Originally Posted by abarthman:
“That's unfair.

She'd still go down a storm in Butlins, Haven, Blackpool and the Costas if she did a show with Steve Brookstein, Shayne Ward and Leon Jackson.”

There should be a 'super group' made of X Factor winners. Like the Travelling Wilbury's, but without the musical ability.
d56
27-12-2011
Some people on here really love having a go at Leona! I think its Cowell you're really having a go at!

It was an EP as a present to fans for waiting extra for the album, it wasn't even meant to chart well in the first place so the fact it got number 2 on Itunes and top 10 in the official charts shows a lot without radio airplay or a video and off just two performances!

Give Leona a break, its getting boring. By the way OP are your Steve Brookstein?
Kanzi
27-12-2011
Anyone else read 'Glassheart' as 'Gla-shart'?
konebyvax
27-12-2011
Didn't want to get involved but had to with D56s last post. I think next year I will give presents to all family and friends and ask them for the money to pay for them. A present to fans is surely a free download or some such. A present you have to pay for? Pack it in...
d56
27-12-2011
Originally Posted by konebyvax:
“Didn't want to get involved but had to with D56s last post. I think next year I will give presents to all family and friends and ask them for the money to pay for them. A present to fans is surely a free download or some such. A present you have to pay for? Pack it in...”


Shock horror, but to earn money you need to get people to PAY for your downloads. Leona put out the EP and to get to itunes number 2 and top 8 on official chart with NO video and NO radio airplay is a job good!

If they really wanted to make the EP huge it would of had radio airplay and actually had a video and been released as a single!!
konebyvax
27-12-2011
Originally Posted by d56:
“Shock horror, but to earn money you need to get people to PAY for your downloads. Leona put out the EP and to get to itunes number 2 and top 8 on official chart with NO video and NO radio airplay is a job good!

If they really wanted to make the EP huge it would of had radio airplay and actually had a video and been released as a single!!”




It's really really simple. You put it up on your site for free download. This is hardly rocket science, D56.


PS Hmmmm..you have totally edited your post! You original post was:

How do you expect people to download an EP which I replied to above. You've clearly realised the idiocy of the post hence the edit. lame.

EDIT: In all seriousness I do admire your passion and it's just a shame so many other once passionate fans seem to have deserted Leona now she's not on top. Such is life.
leosw4
27-12-2011
Just out of curiosity, if it was a 'present', then why wasn't it released as a free downland via her website or Soundcloud like other artists do?

I also find it very hard to believe that Cowell would line anyone up on XFACTOR-particularly one that he is associated with, to promote a 'present'-but he didn't did he because it wasn't free.

If it was intended as a gift then it should have been 'free'-it was'nt intended as 'gift' because 'free' equals ineligible for a chart placing. I am not sure who came up with this 'present' nonsense, but perhaps its either 'hype' or just an excuse in the event of poor performance .

Has it not crossed anyone's mind that Leona seems now to be treading the same path as Shayne Ward in her handling by SYCO?

In her defence, she would be best getting dropped by Cowell and then re-establishing her career. She is not going to be the next Mariah, she was never going to be. That was just the usual Cowell rubbish.

She should look to someone like Beverley Knight as an example. She does'nt have huge commercial success, but she is known, she is well respected and in the main she does what she wants to do (although Beverley does have a huge personality and stage presence which Leona I am afraid does not)
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