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Leona falls 60 places to #68
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mkirilenkofan
27-12-2011
Originally Posted by leosw4:
“Just out of curiosity, if it was a 'present', then why wasn't it released as a free downland via her website or Soundcloud like other artists do?

I also find it very hard to believe that Cowell would line anyone up on XFACTOR-particularly one that he is associated with, to promote a 'present'-but he didn't did he because it wasn't free.

If it was intended as a gift then it should have been 'free'-it was'nt intended as 'gift' because 'free' equals ineligible for a chart placing. I am not sure who came up with this 'present' nonsense, but perhaps its either 'hype' or just an excuse in the event of poor performance .

Has it not crossed anyone's mind that Leona seems now to be treading the same path as Shayne Ward in her handling by SYCO?

In her defence, she would be best getting dropped by Cowell and then re-establishing her career. She is not going to be the next Mariah, she was never going to be. That was just the usual Cowell rubbish.

She should look to someone like Beverley Knight as an example. She does'nt have huge commercial success, but she is known, she is well respected and in the main she does what she wants to do (although Beverley does have a huge personality and stage presence which Leona I am afraid does not)”

Leona does have a stge presence. It's people like you that have probably never been to one of her shows create this stigma. I have never seen bev but I have heard her covers (yes covers and people criticise Leona for having too many) an they ain't exactly Affrojack style are they?
Anika Hanson
27-12-2011
Originally Posted by d56:
“Shock horror, but to earn money you need to get people to PAY for your downloads. Leona put out the EP and to get to itunes number 2 and top 8 on official chart with NO video and NO radio airplay is a job good!

If they really wanted to make the EP huge it would of had radio airplay and actually had a video and been released as a single!!”

I likw the EP, I bought it and it did well enough on the charts. The gift to the fans was touted before it was released so it's not just something fans are saying now. Other artists say they are doing somehting as a gift to the fans and still demand payment for it. However they (Leona and Syco) clearly wanted it to do well otherwise they wouldnt have got her a promo spot on one of the most watched programmes on the TV (the x-factor final) and then had her perform it again on the royal variety show. I'm not saying it has done badly, all im saying is that I think Syco thought hurt was another run, that all they needed to do was wheel Leona out on the X-factor in a dress, have a her give a great preformance and that it would do as well as run did. This seems to be Syco's pattern for Leona. They release a song (Collide, Forgive me, Happy) which doesn't do as well as they want it to do and then as a back up plan they wheel her out on the X-factor to perform a Rock cover ballad hence run, SCYHO, hurt. They really seem to have no other strategies.
Laura P
27-12-2011
Originally Posted by Carly_Thompson:
“Oh god, shut up people.”

Who do you think you are? This is a forum. People should be able to post without being confronted by such rudeness from ultra Stans who can't handle anyone criticising someone they like. I hope you're very young and will eventually grow up and learn how to debate properly, otherwise you've got no excuse to be talking to people like that.
soulmusic
27-12-2011
Originally Posted by Master Ozzy:
“I agree. I do think as well thought that part of the problem might be Leona herself. There's no denying that her voice is incredible, but I just don't think she has "IT". The voice is there, but she doesn't captivate me when she performs and I don't really feel any stage presence from her. Alexandra Burke ditched Simon and Syco after her first album and her 2nd album is rumored to be very, very good. She executive produced it herself too. In my opinion Alexandra is the only X Factor winner to ever have the X Factor and I've always thought she would have a long term career. I think her 2nd album will be the beginning of something very special for Alex. If this does prove to be the case, then maybe it will give Leona a jolt and make her ditch Simon. I fear though that even if Leona wants to part ways with Simon, that it won't be very easy. She's supposed to be the example of the X Factor that every other contestant is compared too...if Simon looses her then it sort of deflates the XF brand and ruins the standing of his tv show/brand. I also suspect that Alexandra probably voiced her opinion to death and really went hell for leather to get rid of him, whereas I can't see Leona standing up to him like that. I think Leona's next album is definitely make or break for her though. Sad really.”

Well, I hope it really works out well for Alexandra, lets be honest, Simon isn't going to let Leona go that easy. I do think she has "it", I have literally been to loads of concerts over the course of many years, and Leona's blew me away, I thought it was brilliant. She sold over 20 arena tours as well. Her tour dvd was in the top 10 for ages. Another thing, Leona wanted to record this EP for a long time now, and this seemed like the right time. It was not sent to radio or promoted, so I am actually amazed that it charted at all. Leona knows her own mind, and I am happy waiting for some good music and judging by comments from people who have heard Glassheart tracks, we have some good things to look forward too. Also to be fair Echo did sell about 1.4 million (I don't call that a failure lol). Alexandra also has had her album pushed back for whatever reason, but I look forward to hearing her new stuff.

On a separate note, there are lots of things posted about Leona that is not true, fair enough, if you don't like her music, but some of the name calling on these threads are beyond ridiculous. I tend not to respond to these sorts of threads, but sometimes feel the necessity lol.
amo1980
27-12-2011
hahaha... keep on fighting and arguing and hating... for such an 'irrelevant artist' leona does get people worked up!!!

i do enjoy reading opinions stated as fact 'she will never be a success' type of thing... crystal balls all round for xmas?

ps. there are some really nasty people on these forums... have an opinion, but lets not get too personal huh? at the end of the day u dont know each other or leona personally... so a little bit of diplomacy and well... xmas spirit... would be appreciated

merry bank holiday xxx
Laura P
27-12-2011
Originally Posted by amo1980:
“hahaha... keep on fighting and arguing and hating... for such an 'irrelevant artist' leona does get people worked up!!!
”

Most of us are actually attempting to have a rational debate. It's only the ultra Stans who seem to dislike the tone of this thread.

Maybe the Leona Lewis appreciation threads are more your cup of tea if you don't want to read any kind of criticism.
soulmusic
27-12-2011
Originally Posted by Irishguy123:
“Because it's shite, unoriginal and an insult to fans of the original songs.”

This was written on the subject by a wonderful person called Amy.

"To all these people who insult Leona and talk about ‘real music’ in the same breath, I wish I could understand how you define what is ‘real’. For me real music is the music that awakens something, that is more than sound. It finds something inside of you and it stays there. For me music is all about you, it’s why there is so much out there, because every person has a different story that needs a different soundtrack to tell it to. For me Leona is a part of that soundtrack.

For me the real insult to music isn’t someone covering a song, it is someone taking the magic away from it, to take away the freedom of what it can mean to someone else. Ownership of a song (when you cut out all the legalities) belongs to anyone who finds themselves in it, it will never be one person, it will forever belong to every single person it touched. That is what is so special about music, it’s a language that unites so many people in a shared but always different way. Some of the best music I have heard has taught me something about myself I didn’t even know, it’s put words in front of the feelings so that I could express it to myself. That’s what music means to me, it gives me the freedom to be me. Maybe this sounds a little dramatic but what is the point in arguing for something if you do not believe in it? If you are not equally as passionate then this release, and this post, should be of little consequence to you anyway.

‘Hurt’ is a brilliant song, it’s one of those songs that is powerful because it’s vulnerable, it’s timeless because it’s real. I love the song, I played it long before Leona sang it and I won’t limit myself to Leona now just because I’m a fan. Have I done drugs? No. Do I still identify with the song? Of course. You’re not getting my life story but my life isn’t perfect. It is extremely naïve to think that anyone lives a perfect life, we all crave, we all mourn, we all have moments where we’re lost and we all have moments when we don’t know if we’ll ever find ourselves again. ‘Hurt’ is a song about the darkness that lives inside of all of us, darkness that, for some of us, sometimes gets the better of us. NIN and Johnny Cash interpreted the song their way, Leona has interpreted it her way. It’s a compliment to the quality of the song that another person can listen to the song and be inspired by it, to hear it and feel that it expresses a part of themselves too.


“…that song in particular really speaks to me. Lyrically it’s a song that is very intense and has a painful lyrics.

“It’s reflective of a place where I was at. When I recorded it it was healing to get it out.”

As I said before, music is there to find yourselves in, Leona found herself in it too and she chose to record what she learnt. She isn’t up there pretending to be Trent Reznor or Johnny Cash, she has shaped her own version with her own pain and experiences. The vocals are beautiful and the sentiment behind it is sincere, it is a beautiful reflection of a beautiful song. Whether you choose to believe whether she is ‘qualified’ to sing such a tortured song is of little consequence because you don’t know her - this song, as with all her songs, is the closest any of us will get to her, and i admire her expression. She has no duty or obligation to justify her private life or private thoughts, but Leona is human and we all feel pain.

I will not say which song is “better”, it’s playground behaviour to say one thing is better simply because you like it more, your opinion doesn’t mean fact, ‘better for you’ doesn’t mean ‘better’, each song is different, each song is sung from a different heart.

If you don’t like the song, fair enough, no one is forcing you to hear it, it’s one track on an EP, not even released as a single, it’s been performed twice and you could easily just not listen to it. But you have no right saying that Leona is not allowed to sing this song and you have no right personally attacking the woman for doing what she loves, the charm of music is that it can be anyone’s, you put a restriction on that and you limit something wonderful."

For those who take the time & trouble to read this, thank you.
amo1980
27-12-2011
Originally Posted by Laura P:
“Most of us are actually attempting to have a rational debate. It's only the ultra Stans who seem to dislike the tone of this thread.

Maybe the Leona Lewis appreciation threads are more your cup of tea if you don't want to read any kind of criticism.”

re-read my post... i did not say i dont like 'any kind of criticism'... please do not read into my comments things that are not there

i simply said that i dont like criticism when it is unneccessarily personal (both about artists and other posters)... or opinions stated as fact... but thank you for reading! lol
**Julie**
27-12-2011
Leona has managed/had her career managed really badly in the last five years. She has needed to take control of it and find her own image/sound/identity but she has not. Instead she has taken bad advice and the result is that at this point in time her career is floundering...

This is not all bad news as many artists can turn their fate around with the right direction.

She should have toured more. She is British yet has done just one tour since she won Xfactor. Compare that with Will Young who has done over 17 tours in ten years!! People need to hear and artist, watch them grow and develop and engage with their personailty. I have found that Will for example has a wicked sense of humour and in concert his personality is as engaging as his voice. Her loyal fans need at least once concert a year or so, they deserve it.
ags_rule
27-12-2011
Originally Posted by **Julie**:
“Leona has managed/had her career managed really badly in the last five years. She has needed to take control of it and find her own image/sound/identity but she has not. Instead she has taken bad advice and the result is that at this point in time her career is floundering...

This is not all bad news as many artists can turn their fate around with the right direction.

She should have toured more. She is British yet has done just one tour since she won Xfactor. Compare that with Will Young who has done over 17 tours in ten years!! People need to hear and artist, watch them grow and develop and engage with their personailty. I have found that Will for example has a wicked sense of humour and in concert his personality is as engaging as his voice. Her loyal fans need at least once concert a year or so, they deserve it.”

SyCo artists don't tour very often because the artists get a much bigger cut of the proceeds through touring than they do sitting in a studio singing songs somebody else wrote.
mimi123456
27-12-2011
I feel sorry for her, but I guess these things happens. At least she had a good time.

I thought she actually made a big effort to be sexy what with the cleavage almost bopping out of her bikini in Collide, but hey ho, some things are just a no no!

Let's just hope her new album does not go along the same tune of Echo or else she definitely has had it.
Gill P
27-12-2011
Perhaps people found it too boring to buy the track - I know I found it so tedious that I fell asleep! (I know I've said this before!)
Sazaleeno
27-12-2011
Whatever you may think, Leona's career is certainly not over, but I agree the next era will be a make or break situation. It's all about the right material and the right promotion at the end of the day. If she comes back in March with a dreary ballad that takes ages to get anywhere then radio won't take to it. But if she comes back with a punchy mid/uptempo with a great hook and a great beat, coupled with solid promotion and good radio airplay, Leona will have another top 5 hit on her hands that will have longevity. The public still have faith in Leona and she still has a large and solid fanbase (evident through her tour). The label just have to get it right next year.
**Julie**
27-12-2011
Originally Posted by Sazaleeno:
“Whatever you may think, Leona's career is certainly not over, but I agree the next era will be a make or break situation. It's all about the right material and the right promotion at the end of the day. If she comes back in March with a dreary ballad that takes ages to get anywhere then radio won't take to it. But if she comes back with a punchy mid/uptempo with a great hook and a great beat, coupled with solid promotion and good radio airplay, Leona will have another top 5 hit on her hands that will have longevity. The public still have faith in Leona and she still has a large and solid fanbase (evident through her tour). The label just have to get it right next year.”

And an artist's success is also about engaging with your public IMO. Leona did release a punchy mid uptempo song with Collide but the public did not engage with it. Maybe she should get out there and do a radio tour. It did wonders for JLS, Olly, One Direction, Alexandra etc etc..
iseloid
27-12-2011
Originally Posted by **Julie**:
“And an artist's success is also about engaging with your public IMO. Leona did release a punchy mid uptempo song with Collide but the public did not engage with it. Maybe she should get out there and do a radio tour. It did wonders for JLS, Olly, One Direction, Alexandra etc etc..”

true. i know about alexandra's plans etc because of twitter. she's private too (as we all are/should be) but blogs as well. same for adele. leona to me, doesnt seem cut out to be a star. she should have performed on US XF (collide) but didnt. why perform Run? completely pointless when you have a product to promote
BrokenArrow
27-12-2011
Originally Posted by mimi123456:
“I feel sorry for her, but I guess these things happens. At least she had a good time.

I thought she actually made a big effort to be sexy what with the cleavage almost bopping out of her bikini in Collide, but hey ho, some things are just a no no!

Let's just hope her new album does not go along the same tune of Echo or else she definitely has had it.”

Well I love Echo , so I would definitely be happy of it goes along the same lines.
franster
27-12-2011
Alongside their terrible promotion tactics that I mentioned earlier, I think the other glaring issue is that aside from her core fanbase (which is not enough to keep anybody relevant) her team doesn't seem to have decided who exactly her target audience is.
kutox
27-12-2011
Originally Posted by Anika Hanson:
“Nope. Apparently that was just a buzz single. Either way the project will be re-launched next year and even if it was the intended first single it won't be anymore.”

Hahaha!! Of all the excuses I've heard for singles which haven't lived up to expectations, that's a new one on me. Quite clever of her team though, I must admit.
12december1984
27-12-2011
To be honest I like Leona Lewis BUT I'm not a fan of the song.

Don't get me wrong, it's a good song... but Leona singing about drug addiction?
BReal2
28-12-2011
I blame Syco/Simon Cowell for why her career is in this shape. She is just now releasing Run here in America but it has been heard by her fans online since it was first released in 2008 and she has a new EP out yet she's not promoting it in the US. She also needs good uptempo songs imo.
MrsOrin
28-12-2011
If Leona stans feel the EP was a gift then that is fine. I think of a gift like Lady Gaga posting songs for her fans on her youtube site, thus them not having to pay for it.

I worry for her next year as I think Alex Burke is gonna blow up big with her new album.

Sadly Alex and Leona are gonna be compared all year by music critics and fans on who does the best.
boysforpele
28-12-2011
Leona is an amazing vocalist and agreed she does have stage presence - her last tour showed that she interacts well and puts on a show. Her problem is simple. She needs a new direction - and rnb meets dance is where she should head. Collide was the right area but she didnt promote it and the lawsuit overshadowed the whole release. She neess to work with the likes of David Guetta, Taio Cruz, Will I Am, Ladytron, Calvin Harris, Stuart Price on some contemprary dance/rnb tracks.....and she needs to do the hard work and promote herself!
Audio Rebel
28-12-2011
Originally Posted by mrcynical:
“There should be a 'super group' made of X Factor winners. Like the Travelling Wilbury's, but without the musical ability.”

Indeed.

Under the name of the 'Snivelling Nobodies'.
Irishguy123
28-12-2011
Originally Posted by soulmusic:
“This was written on the subject by a wonderful person called Amy.

"To all these people who insult Leona and talk about ‘real music’ in the same breath, I wish I could understand how you define what is ‘real’. For me real music is the music that awakens something, that is more than sound. It finds something inside of you and it stays there. For me music is all about you, it’s why there is so much out there, because every person has a different story that needs a different soundtrack to tell it to. For me Leona is a part of that soundtrack.

For me the real insult to music isn’t someone covering a song, it is someone taking the magic away from it, to take away the freedom of what it can mean to someone else. Ownership of a song (when you cut out all the legalities) belongs to anyone who finds themselves in it, it will never be one person, it will forever belong to every single person it touched. That is what is so special about music, it’s a language that unites so many people in a shared but always different way. Some of the best music I have heard has taught me something about myself I didn’t even know, it’s put words in front of the feelings so that I could express it to myself. That’s what music means to me, it gives me the freedom to be me. Maybe this sounds a little dramatic but what is the point in arguing for something if you do not believe in it? If you are not equally as passionate then this release, and this post, should be of little consequence to you anyway.

‘Hurt’ is a brilliant song, it’s one of those songs that is powerful because it’s vulnerable, it’s timeless because it’s real. I love the song, I played it long before Leona sang it and I won’t limit myself to Leona now just because I’m a fan. Have I done drugs? No. Do I still identify with the song? Of course. You’re not getting my life story but my life isn’t perfect. It is extremely naïve to think that anyone lives a perfect life, we all crave, we all mourn, we all have moments where we’re lost and we all have moments when we don’t know if we’ll ever find ourselves again. ‘Hurt’ is a song about the darkness that lives inside of all of us, darkness that, for some of us, sometimes gets the better of us. NIN and Johnny Cash interpreted the song their way, Leona has interpreted it her way. It’s a compliment to the quality of the song that another person can listen to the song and be inspired by it, to hear it and feel that it expresses a part of themselves too.


“…that song in particular really speaks to me. Lyrically it’s a song that is very intense and has a painful lyrics.

“It’s reflective of a place where I was at. When I recorded it it was healing to get it out.”

As I said before, music is there to find yourselves in, Leona found herself in it too and she chose to record what she learnt. She isn’t up there pretending to be Trent Reznor or Johnny Cash, she has shaped her own version with her own pain and experiences. The vocals are beautiful and the sentiment behind it is sincere, it is a beautiful reflection of a beautiful song. Whether you choose to believe whether she is ‘qualified’ to sing such a tortured song is of little consequence because you don’t know her - this song, as with all her songs, is the closest any of us will get to her, and i admire her expression. She has no duty or obligation to justify her private life or private thoughts, but Leona is human and we all feel pain.

I will not say which song is “better”, it’s playground behaviour to say one thing is better simply because you like it more, your opinion doesn’t mean fact, ‘better for you’ doesn’t mean ‘better’, each song is different, each song is sung from a different heart.

If you don’t like the song, fair enough, no one is forcing you to hear it, it’s one track on an EP, not even released as a single, it’s been performed twice and you could easily just not listen to it. But you have no right saying that Leona is not allowed to sing this song and you have no right personally attacking the woman for doing what she loves, the charm of music is that it can be anyone’s, you put a restriction on that and you limit something wonderful."

For those who take the time & trouble to read this, thank you.”

Tl; dr.
soulmusic
28-12-2011
Originally Posted by MrsOrin:
“If Leona stans feel the EP was a gift then that is fine. I think of a gift like Lady Gaga posting songs for her fans on her youtube site, thus them not having to pay for it.

I worry for her next year as I think Alex Burke is gonna blow up big with her new album.

Sadly Alex and Leona are gonna be compared all year by music critics and fans on who does the best.”

I have heard excellent things about Leona's & Alex's new album, they are both completely different artists, and luckily I do like them both, so I am looking forward to both albums.
Both could blow up big, but there is plenty of room in the world for both artists, it is all down to personal preference.
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