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Old 28-12-2011, 15:58
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why doesn't he just move out and get on with his life away from Phil? All that skullduggery has made his head into a funny shape

Needless to say, am very disappointed with the reveal.
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Old 28-12-2011, 16:01
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He still loves him. He wants phil to accept him
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Old 28-12-2011, 16:01
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i asked earlier how ben could know about the carlot an they are saying Kathy told him before she died, but would Kathy really tell a young child about this? seems out of character to me
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Old 28-12-2011, 16:03
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i asked earlier how ben could know about the carlot an they are saying Kathy told him before she died, but would Kathy really tell a young child about this? seems out of character to me
I think she would tell him how bad his father could be, and the things he had done,
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Old 28-12-2011, 16:05
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i asked earlier how ben could know about the carlot an they are saying Kathy told him before she died, but would Kathy really tell a young child about this? seems out of character to me
I just thought it was because he found the memory stick in Jack's flat & realised what happened. I get confused with it all
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Old 28-12-2011, 16:07
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I think she would tell him how bad his father could be, and the things he had done,
Maybe she had something lying around that he found
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Old 28-12-2011, 16:12
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I think she would tell him how bad his father could be, and the things he had done,
If Ben HAD someone found out from Kathy when he was a kid, why has he never mentioned it or shown any sign of knowing about it until now? He's had fights with his father before, and cast up the things he's done, so why would he have decided to sit on this until the time came when he decided to come out, get rejected and become a stalker? Ben must be very forward-thinking!
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Old 28-12-2011, 16:13
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He still loves him. He wants phil to accept him
Hasn't Phil already done that when he came out?
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Old 28-12-2011, 16:15
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The whole story is obviously leading to Ben's exit if you ask me and not before time. I find him so awkward to watch.
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Old 28-12-2011, 16:17
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He still loves him. He wants phil to accept him
Call me old fashioned, but getting one's father arrested for murder is not necessarily the right way to gain parental acceptance. My dad would never speak to me again and I would not blame him.

Also, Phil has already told Ben he is trying to accept him. I think Phil is doing a good job at this after all, he doesn't punch Ben in the face everytime they meet on the stairs.

All very very foolish, unbelievable and unsustainable.

Disappointed? You bet.
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Old 28-12-2011, 16:22
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Hasn't Phil already done that when he came out?
No his words were "let's just accept each other" ben talked about phil walking out on him in Monday's ep. Phil keeps ignoring the issue he hasn't actually said anything about Ben being gay
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Old 28-12-2011, 16:24
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i asked earlier how ben could know about the carlot an they are saying Kathy told him before she died, but would Kathy really tell a young child about this? seems out of character to me
I do know that if I had a kid and his mother had done something really bad, I wouldn't want the kid to turn out like his mother had. Likewise Kathy probably told Ben because she didn't want to turn out like Phil - more than anything she wanted what was best for him.
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Old 28-12-2011, 16:29
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He still loves him. He wants phil to accept him
He accepted him already. Ben can't force Phil to jump in happiness for him being gay by stalking him. One minute he looks worried about his dad's health condition and next time he smiles. Either the actor is weak or Ben is such a nasty son.
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Old 28-12-2011, 16:31
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He accepted him already. Ben can't force Phil to jump in happiness for him being gay by stalking him. One minute he looks worried about his dad's health condition and next time he smiles. Either the actor is weak or Ben is such a nasty son.
then why did ben&shirley talk about phil not accepting it? theyre conversation was
shirley - do you think he likes having a gay son?
ben - he walked out on me. i wanted to talk to him
there is no way phil has accepted ben being gay. he's trying but he's hoping its just a phase

He accepted him already. Ben can't force Phil to jump in happiness for him being gay by stalking him. One minute he looks worried about his dad's health condition and next time he smiles. Either the actor is weak or Ben is such a nasty son.
he hates phil and wants him to pay for all the bad things he's done but it doesn't mean deep down he doesn't still love him. all kids love their dads no matter how bad they are. thats why he wanted to make phil vulnerable
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Old 28-12-2011, 16:36
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First, Ben is barely an adult so it is completely unrealistic to expect him to move out and support himself. What skills does he have? What type of job would he get?

Second, Ben has a complex love/hate relationship with his father. He wants Phil to love and accept him regardless of his sexuality, something that Phil is incapable of doing. Phil wants a "straight hard man" son. The only thing that Ben gets right in Phil's eyes is his cruelty and bullying. It just that Phil does not realize that he has become the target of Ben's rage. Ben is a mess and it all because of Phil's poor parenting as a whole.
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Old 28-12-2011, 16:37
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then why did ben&shirley talk about phil not accepting it? theyre conversation was


there is no way phil has accepted ben being gay. he's trying but he's hoping its just a phase



he hates phil and wants him to pay for all the bad things he's done but it doesn't mean deep down he doesn't still love him. all kids love their dads no matter how bad they are. thats why he wanted to make phil vulnerable
10 years in stir will do that!
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Old 28-12-2011, 16:38
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10 years in stir will do that!
lol it wont be that long. 6 weeks - 3 months at a guess
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Old 28-12-2011, 16:41
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First, Ben is barely an adult so it is completely unrealistic to expect him to move out and support himself. What skills does he have? What type of job would he get?

Second, Ben has a complex love/hate relationship with his father. He wants Phil to love and accept him regardless of his sexuality, something that Phil is incapable of doing. Phil wants a "straight hard man" son. The only thing that Ben gets right in Phil's eyes is his cruelty and bullying. It just that Phil does not realize that he has become the target of Ben's rage. Ben is a mess and it all because of Phil's poor parenting as a whole.
....and the fact that he wasn't in his life for about 12 years of his childhood....
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Old 28-12-2011, 16:41
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lol it wont be that long. 6 weeks - 3 months at a guess
LOL! I know, but a gal can dream.......

Ben can quite easily move out. His father can pay his rent and he can get a part time job in one of his dad's businesses since he barely bothers to attend school.
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Old 28-12-2011, 16:48
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....and the fact that he wasn't in his life for about 12 years of his childhood....
kathy would've been fine with the way ben was....but as soon as ben moved to england phils treatment of him over time would've changed him
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Old 28-12-2011, 17:07
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kathy would've been fine with the way ben was....but as soon as ben moved to england phils treatment of him over time would've changed him
Exactly. Kathy would have accepted that Ben was gay over time and not require an impressible pubescent Ben be a "hard man bully" to prove that he was a "real" Mitchell. It is Phil's inability to parent his obviously troubled son that led to Ben getting incarcerated and to many of his ongoing mental problems.
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Old 28-12-2011, 17:11
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Exactly. Kathy would have accepted that Ben was gay over time and not require an impressible pubescent Ben be a "hard man bully" to prove that he was a "real" Mitchell. It is Phil's inability to parent his obviously troubled son that led to Ben getting incarcerated and to many of his ongoing mental problems.
and this is why phil won't kick him out
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Old 28-12-2011, 17:21
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Call me old fashioned, but getting one's father arrested for murder is not necessarily the right way to gain parental acceptance. My dad would never speak to me again and I would not blame him.

Also, Phil has already told Ben he is trying to accept him. I think Phil is doing a good job at this after all, he doesn't punch Ben in the face everytime they meet on the stairs.

All very very foolish, unbelievable and unsustainable.

Disappointed? You bet.
Agreed.

Ben has to have schizophrenia. It's the only thing that'd make sense of Ben's number of 180 viewpoints of his father over the last year...
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Old 28-12-2011, 18:02
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Kathy is probably spinning in her grave at the mess Phil has made of Ben's life.

I've said it previously but I just can't see any connection between Ben and Kathy. It doesn't help that he barely ever mentions her or his childhood being raised by her. It's all very bizarre. You'd think they'd want to keep Kathy's legacy alive by having Ben mention how great she was every so often. We're lucky if Ian even mentions her these days.
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Old 28-12-2011, 18:15
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10 years in stir will do that!
Maybe he can go on the run from the police like loads before him have done in Eastenders. For example, his own sister.

If he can get bail.
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