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EE: If Ben hates his father THAT much....
why doesn't he just move out and get on with his life away from Phil? All that skullduggery has made his head into a funny shape
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He still loves him. He wants phil to accept him
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i asked earlier how ben could know about the carlot an they are saying Kathy told him before she died, but would Kathy really tell a young child about this? seems out of character to me
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i asked earlier how ben could know about the carlot an they are saying Kathy told him before she died, but would Kathy really tell a young child about this? seems out of character to me
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i asked earlier how ben could know about the carlot an they are saying Kathy told him before she died, but would Kathy really tell a young child about this? seems out of character to me
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I think she would tell him how bad his father could be, and the things he had done,
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I think she would tell him how bad his father could be, and the things he had done,
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He still loves him. He wants phil to accept him
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The whole story is obviously leading to Ben's exit if you ask me and not before time. I find him so awkward to watch.
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He still loves him. He wants phil to accept him
Also, Phil has already told Ben he is trying to accept him. I think Phil is doing a good job at this after all, he doesn't punch Ben in the face everytime they meet on the stairs. All very very foolish, unbelievable and unsustainable. Disappointed? You bet. |
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Hasn't Phil already done that when he came out?
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i asked earlier how ben could know about the carlot an they are saying Kathy told him before she died, but would Kathy really tell a young child about this? seems out of character to me
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He still loves him. He wants phil to accept him
![]() Either the actor is weak or Ben is such a nasty son.
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He accepted him already. Ben can't force Phil to jump in happiness for him being gay by stalking him. One minute he looks worried about his dad's health condition and next time he smiles.
![]() Either the actor is weak or Ben is such a nasty son.Quote:
shirley - do you think he likes having a gay son? there is no way phil has accepted ben being gay. he's trying but he's hoping its just a phaseben - he walked out on me. i wanted to talk to him Quote:
He accepted him already. Ben can't force Phil to jump in happiness for him being gay by stalking him. One minute he looks worried about his dad's health condition and next time he smiles.
![]() Either the actor is weak or Ben is such a nasty son. |
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First, Ben is barely an adult so it is completely unrealistic to expect him to move out and support himself. What skills does he have? What type of job would he get?
Second, Ben has a complex love/hate relationship with his father. He wants Phil to love and accept him regardless of his sexuality, something that Phil is incapable of doing. Phil wants a "straight hard man" son. The only thing that Ben gets right in Phil's eyes is his cruelty and bullying. It just that Phil does not realize that he has become the target of Ben's rage. Ben is a mess and it all because of Phil's poor parenting as a whole. |
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then why did ben&shirley talk about phil not accepting it? theyre conversation was
there is no way phil has accepted ben being gay. he's trying but he's hoping its just a phase he hates phil and wants him to pay for all the bad things he's done but it doesn't mean deep down he doesn't still love him. all kids love their dads no matter how bad they are. thats why he wanted to make phil vulnerable |
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10 years in stir will do that!
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First, Ben is barely an adult so it is completely unrealistic to expect him to move out and support himself. What skills does he have? What type of job would he get?
Second, Ben has a complex love/hate relationship with his father. He wants Phil to love and accept him regardless of his sexuality, something that Phil is incapable of doing. Phil wants a "straight hard man" son. The only thing that Ben gets right in Phil's eyes is his cruelty and bullying. It just that Phil does not realize that he has become the target of Ben's rage. Ben is a mess and it all because of Phil's poor parenting as a whole. |
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lol it wont be that long. 6 weeks - 3 months at a guess
Ben can quite easily move out. His father can pay his rent and he can get a part time job in one of his dad's businesses since he barely bothers to attend school. |
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....and the fact that he wasn't in his life for about 12 years of his childhood....
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kathy would've been fine with the way ben was....but as soon as ben moved to england phils treatment of him over time would've changed him
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Exactly. Kathy would have accepted that Ben was gay over time and not require an impressible pubescent Ben be a "hard man bully" to prove that he was a "real" Mitchell. It is Phil's inability to parent his obviously troubled son that led to Ben getting incarcerated and to many of his ongoing mental problems.
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Call me old fashioned, but getting one's father arrested for murder is not necessarily the right way to gain parental acceptance. My dad would never speak to me again and I would not blame him.
Also, Phil has already told Ben he is trying to accept him. I think Phil is doing a good job at this after all, he doesn't punch Ben in the face everytime they meet on the stairs. All very very foolish, unbelievable and unsustainable. Disappointed? You bet. Ben has to have schizophrenia. It's the only thing that'd make sense of Ben's number of 180 viewpoints of his father over the last year... |
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Kathy is probably spinning in her grave at the mess Phil has made of Ben's life.
I've said it previously but I just can't see any connection between Ben and Kathy. It doesn't help that he barely ever mentions her or his childhood being raised by her. It's all very bizarre. You'd think they'd want to keep Kathy's legacy alive by having Ben mention how great she was every so often. We're lucky if Ian even mentions her these days. |
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10 years in stir will do that!
If he can get bail. |
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