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Still waiting for an answer to my question.
Why on earth would anyone want to conspire to effect a Harry win? In fact, in any series, why would judges have a preference for any particular celeb to win? How does it benefit them or the BBC? I've never understood this attribution of mysterious motives to the judges or BBC, but if we wanted to assume they were there, then surely it would be easier to contract with Chelsee for future work? |
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Has this been consuming you all through Christmas and New Year! How sad!!!!
It's all over for 2011 and the winner is who the public voted for and wanted to win, and a very worthy winner as far as I'm concerned. ![]()
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Both Kara's highest scoring dances (39 each for Rumba and VW) were in the SF.
Prior to the SF, her highest scoring dance which also topped the leaderboard in its week was her rather poor CCC with 36. (She had scored some 38s/37 but they didn't top the leaderboard). That's why Kara was allowed to do her SF Rumba in the final. You seem to be confirming the point I had intended to make. Chelsee's highest-scoring dance which topped the leaderboard in its week was her semi-final Paso. And I have no argument with those here who have implied that the rules are changed at the drop of a hat to suit certain objectives. I would merely like to see some PROOF that the 'rule' in question ever existed in the first place. |
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[quote=Vivacious Lady;55624619]Why on earth would anyone want to conspire to effect a Harry win?
I was rather hoping that somebody else would chime in on that issue. For me there are two obvious potential reasons for the charade which was foisted upon us. Both involve business considerations. |
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Chelsee's highest-scoring dance which topped the leaderboard in its week was her semi-final Paso.
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I would merely like to see some PROOF that the 'rule' in question ever existed in the first place.
You've been given plenty of proof: Kristina's tweet; Darren's interview statement that he wanted to re-dance his SF waltz but wasn't allowed to and the fact that Matt Di Angelo's highest scoring ballroom (waltz) was excluded because he danced it in the semi. What more proof do you require exactly?Quote:
For me there are two obvious potential reasons for the charade which was foisted upon us. Both involve business considerations.
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I was rather hoping that somebody else would chime in on that issue. For me there are two obvious potential reasons for the charade which was foisted upon us. Both involve business considerations.
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I love talking about Strictly but this thread and the other one started by the OP are becoming tiresome.
And as regards "business considerations" I would think that shoe was Chelsee's. She's more of a BBC employee than either of the other 2 finalists. I'm sure the BBC want to be seen to be ensuring that the forthcoming McFly tour is more of a success than it would have been if Harry hadn't won SCD - yeah right. I think it will be interesting to see who wins the majority of the shows on the SCD Tour. Unlike previous years when the runner up wins more shows - have a feeling Harry will be extremely popular! |
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Maybe more people just thought that Harry was better than Chelsee on the night. I honestly don't understand why you are making such a big deal out of this.
I didn't ever before recall an instance of just a single judge offering a verdict on a performance. A possible reason presented itself, so I offered it because I believed that it could be of interest to other users of this forum. I believe my argument is sound. From Craig's criticism of Alex we know precisely what he was looking for from Harry in that Charleston - "extreme". The videos are freely available on the internet. Compare Harry's facial expressions and movements to those of Jason in his dance. Would you consider them to be "extreme"? Compare Harry's characterisation to that of Alex. Does Harry look any more "extreme" in his delivery? Each observer is free to form his/her own opinion on whether or not Harry's delivery would have been considered "extreme" by Craig. It makes perfect sense to me that they would not have wanted Harry's performance to be exposed in the manner in which the performance of Alex was. It's unfortunate for Harry that he had to tackle that particular dance at that stage - it's one of a few were bags of character is an absolutely essential element for a high-quality performance. Harry's personality is simply ill-suited to delivering the sort of expression of face and body which comes so naturally to Jason and Chelsee. For me that is a massive weakness in a dancer. But it doesn't prevent him from doing most of the other fast dances well. I've watched his Quickstep several times now, because I thought it absolutely superb. |
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To me it was quite obvious that the reason they only had time to get one judge's opinion was that Bruce waffled on for far too long and the show was over-running. Rather than cut Bruce's lines later in the show (God forbid!
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The only thing we know about Craig's reaction to Harry's charleston is that it was worthy of a 9!
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Yeah, the blooming BBC conspiring yet again to get one of their 'employees' to win.
Oh...hang on. People who think the BBC care in the least about who wins are quite frankly deluded |
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OK - try this for size. Protecting the annual revenue streams from programs such as SCD which involve tens of millions of phone calls from the public is a very high priority for the BBC.
The potential spanner in the works - to be avoided at all costs - is the possibility of the public crowning a celebrity who is widely acknowledged not to be the best dancer. If that happens it makes a mockery of the concept of letting the public decide, and asks the question if the BBC doesn't give a fig about the dancing, and is doing it that way only as an excuse to benefit at the expense of the phone bills of the millions of dance lovers out there. That wouldn't be good PR. But if there is a danger of that happening, and the BBC can arrange it so that the celebrity the public crowns APPEARS to be the best dancer - problem solved. I have an alternative theory which my gut feeling is telling me is more consistent with what we actually saw there, but I'm not in a position to support it with a reasoned explanation. |
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OK - try this for size. Protecting the annual revenue streams from programs such as SCD which involve tens of millions of phone calls from the public is a very high priority for the BBC.
The potential spanner in the works - to be avoided at all costs - is the possibility of the public crowning a celebrity who is widely acknowledged not to be the best dancer. If that happens it makes a mockery of the concept of letting the public decide, and asks the question if the BBC doesn't give a fig about the dancing, and is doing it that way only as an excuse to benefit at the expense of the phone bills of the millions of dance lovers out there. That wouldn't be good PR. But if there is a danger of that happening, and the BBC can arrange it so that the celebrity the public crowns APPEARS to be the best dancer - problem solved. I have an alternative theory which my gut feeling is telling me is more consistent with what we actually saw there, but I'm not in a position to support it with a reasoned explanation. I can see that you have spent time on this and it is not my intention to belittle the effort you have put in, but maybe some of the wieght of this can be lightened for youIf we just call in Moulder and Scully The truth is out there
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OK - try this for size. Protecting the annual revenue streams from programs such as SCD which involve tens of millions of phone calls from the public is a very high priority for the BBC.
The potential spanner in the works - to be avoided at all costs - is the possibility of the public crowning a celebrity who is widely acknowledged not to be the best dancer. If that happens it makes a mockery of the concept of letting the public decide, and asks the question if the BBC doesn't give a fig about the dancing, and is doing it that way only as an excuse to benefit at the expense of the phone bills of the millions of dance lovers out there. That wouldn't be good PR. But if there is a danger of that happening, and the BBC can arrange it so that the celebrity the public crowns APPEARS to be the best dancer - problem solved. I have an alternative theory which my gut feeling is telling me is more consistent with what we actually saw there, but I'm not in a position to support it with a reasoned explanation. |
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penny, I am not sure what you are getting at in your last post (it's a little difficult to interpret), but just so you know, the BBC do not make any profit from telephone calls made to any of their phone-in programmes. They aren't allowed to, which is why calls to the Beeb are charged at the base rate of 15 pence (landline - mobile calls may be higher
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Does anyone remember how Matt Dawson was praised up a lot ? It seemed very odd at the time but it al became clear when it was clear that he'd been contracted to work for the BBC. It's quite fun spotting the little 'adjustments' in each series. People do, notice ! I have no problem with Harry having won, though.
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penny, I am not sure what you are getting at in your last post (it's a little difficult to interpret), but just so you know, the BBC do not make any profit from telephone calls made to any of their phone-in programmes. They aren't allowed to, which is why calls to the Beeb are charged at the base rate of 15 pence (landline - mobile calls may be higher
) and not the extortionate rates charged by commercial channels.The BBC funds fifteen weeks worth of salaries for all of those professional dancers, celebrity expenses, sets, props, utilities, broadcasts, telephone operators, web site operators, vote counters, independent poll overseers etc. and doesn't benefit from the millions of pounds of revenue generated by the voting? I now see the BBC in a completely new light. |
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Wow! You have opened my eyes.
The BBC funds fifteen weeks worth of salaries for all of those professional dancers, celebrity expenses, sets, props, utilities, broadcasts, telephone operators, web site operators, vote counters, independent poll overseers etc. and doesn't benefit from the millions of pounds of revenue generated by the voting? I now see the BBC in a completely new light. |
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Wow! You have opened my eyes.
The BBC funds fifteen weeks worth of salaries for all of those professional dancers, celebrity expenses, sets, props, utilities, broadcasts, telephone operators, web site operators, vote counters, independent poll overseers etc. and doesn't benefit from the millions of pounds of revenue generated by the voting? I now see the BBC in a completely new light. The BBC cannot make any money from phone ins. It is against the BBC charter. Any money charged for phone votes is purely to cover the charge of the external company that runs and administers the phone vote. This is not the case for commercial channels. I hope this helps (although it probably doesn't in this case) (BTW I have been typing this at various points for six years to answer the same point so yes I do know what I am talking about) |
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"Cynical and arrogant exercise in deception"?
Pffttttttt... Was Harry the best overall dancer on the show? Almost certainly not - his fast Latin was not great and, despite the marks, I wasn't totally convinced by his rumba. Was he the best ballroom dancer on the show? Almost certainly yes if a little unexpressive. Does the implication that he may not have been the best overall dancer on the show or the fact that he managed to convey a shining impression in the final despite barely coming within spitting distance of a Latin step matter? Not in the least because Was he the most popular celeb on the show? Yep and probably by a country mile. |
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Does anyone remember how Matt Dawson was praised up a lot ? It seemed very odd at the time but it al became clear when it was clear that he'd been contracted to work for the BBC. It's quite fun spotting the little 'adjustments' in each series. People do, notice ! I have no problem with Harry having won, though.
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I have an alternative theory which my gut feeling is telling me is more consistent with what we actually saw there, but I'm not in a position to support it with a reasoned explanation.
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Hi,
The BBC cannot make any money from phone ins. It is against the BBC charter. Any money charged for phone votes is purely to cover the charge of the external company that runs and administers the phone vote. This is not the case for commercial channels. I hope this helps (although it probably doesn't in this case) (BTW I have been typing this at various points for six years to answer the same point so yes I do know what I am talking about) |
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I suspect you'll still be typing this for another six years Mike, assuming Strictly continues that long! I'd love to know just how people imagine the BBC make millions from the phone votes when they only cost 15p compared to the vast amounts the XFactor, etc. charge for their phone votes. And the Strictly phone lines are only open for about 35 minutes instead of 24 hours!
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I was rather hoping that somebody else would chime in on that issue
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For me there are two obvious potential reasons for the charade which was foisted upon us. Both involve business considerations.
By "foisted", I presume you mean "voted for by the general public, with no marking from the judges".Care to expand upon these "business considerations"? |
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and it is not my intention to belittle the effort you have put in, but maybe some of the wieght of this can be lightened for you
) and not the extortionate rates charged by commercial channels.