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Old 02-01-2012, 13:28
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a) why is there no discussion thread about this?

b) personally, i think anyone who has elective cosmetic surgery privately should HAVE to take out insurance to cover any subsequent treatment.
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Old 02-01-2012, 13:30
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a) why is there no discussion thread about this?

b) personally, i think anyone who has elective cosmetic surgery privately should HAVE to take out insurance to cover any subsequent treatment.
a) I don't know

b) Do you?
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Old 02-01-2012, 13:33
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a) why is there no discussion thread about this?

b) personally, i think anyone who has elective cosmetic surgery privately should HAVE to take out insurance to cover any subsequent treatment.
Definitely.

Anyone know what sort of 'disclaimer' or forms you have to sign before undergoing elective breast augmentation?

I wonder if we'll start seeing a spate of celebs suddenly, ahem, downsizing?
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Old 02-01-2012, 13:33
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a) pretty sure there was one in the last couple of weeks.

b) seems reasonable I suppose.
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Old 02-01-2012, 14:19
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If you paid good money to get two sacks of silicone god-knows-what sewn into your body just so that your hubby/boyfriend can manhandle and enjoy a bigger set of boobies, then it's your responsibility to pay good money when you want to get them taken back out again.

The taxpayer didn't enjoy these bigger boobies, the hubby/boyfriend did. So the taxpayer shouldn't pay for any NHS involvement.

Maybe we can now re-evaluate the whole macabre practice of this sort of thing altogether? What dreadful pressure is their on women that they would do this sort of thing to themselves in the first place?

We all laughed at the grotesque washboard stomach that pink haired fat guy had had sewn into his body on Celebrity Big Brother last year. Why on earth should a healthy woman interfere with her natural breasts?
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Old 02-01-2012, 14:22
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I was surprised at the notion that I'd be footing the bill for numpties to have their fake bits removed. I don't remember demanding they had them fitted for my enjoyment.
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Old 02-01-2012, 14:23
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grotesque washboard stomach that pink haired fat guy had had sewn into his body on Celebrity Big Brother last year
Who was that then?
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Old 02-01-2012, 14:24
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Who was that then?
Darryn Lyons the paparazzi guy:

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...ebrity-008.jpg
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Old 02-01-2012, 14:25
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If the French data is right of course it should be paid for on the NHS.

People who had it done made a decision based on the information available.
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Old 02-01-2012, 14:26
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Who was that then?
the paper boy.
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Old 02-01-2012, 14:28
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Ok thanks. Just googled it and all I can say is
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Old 02-01-2012, 14:28
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The way I see it is:

No way should anyone but the person concerned pay for any after care (for elective surgery). It's purely cosmetic, not life-saving.

Like some folk talk out Insurance for appliances, boiler maintenance, etc - i.e. it's privately funded by the individual.

God knows how people pay for implants in the first place, we're talking upwards of 2 grand as I understand it. Big business.

And the bloke with stomach implants: Darryn Lyons, the Mr Paparrazzi on Big Brother??
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Old 02-01-2012, 14:30
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If the French data is right of course it should be paid for on the NHS.

People who had it done made a decision based on the information available.
Hadn't thought of that aspect!

Good point

Edit: I wonder what the small print on consent forms says?
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Old 02-01-2012, 14:31
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stomach implants i have seen it all now wonder whats next?
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Old 02-01-2012, 14:32
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Hadn't thought of that aspect!

Good point

Edit: I wonder what the small print on consent forms says?
I imagine it attempts to shield the companies from liability for this sort of thing but hopefully they will still have the pants sued off them.
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Old 02-01-2012, 14:35
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I imagine it attempts to shield the companies from liability for this sort of thing but hopefully they will still have the pants sued off them.
So, if the private surgeries also have insurance (hopefully they do! ) then would it be the manufacturers that would have to cough up the money for any removal surgery?

Surely it's all operating outside of the NHS?

Genuinely I have no idea
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Old 02-01-2012, 14:36
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These implants were the cheaper ones apparently. I've got no sympathy with the women involved, they were so desperately vain that they opted to go down the cheap route and now look what's happened. It's their own faults.
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Old 02-01-2012, 14:36
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So, if the private surgeries also have insurance (hopefully they do! ) then would it be the manufacturers that would have to cough up the money for any removal surgery?

Surely it's all operating outside of the NHS?

Genuinely I have no idea
I genuinely have no idea either.

Where is Yappy when you need him?
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Old 02-01-2012, 14:38
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These implants were the cheaper ones apparently. I've got no sympathy with the women involved, they were so desperately vain that they opted to go down the cheap route and now look what's happened. It's their own faults.
I worried about someone I used to work with who had implants and was looking to go abroad for surgery because it was cheaper

That always struck me as a bad decision because of all the 'what ifs' that sprung to mind
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Old 02-01-2012, 14:42
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I have one breast implant, as I had a breast removed and it was reconstructive. It was on the NHS.

This was over 20 years ago and it has caused a lot of serious health problems since. If I had known then, what I know now, I would never have had it and would just have made do with only having one breast. I've begged for it to be taken out but I have to pay privately and don't have the money. But, because it has ruptured (my breast is now half the size it was), the silicone is now in my body and feels like a time bomb, slowly poisoning me...so I don't know if removing the outer bit would do any good anyway. There are many women who have had worse symptoms than me and, if you do research on the internet, some of the stories are horrific.

Of course, I don't expect anyone else to pay for it...as I know I had NHS help all those years ago. But it affects my daily life and I'm in constant pain. Some days I feel like cutting it out myself but then how do I clean it out of my organs and blood? The doctors say this doesn't cause as many problems as it does. But thousands of women say different and I know the reality. All I know is that....after news yesterday, of a lovely friend's death, I'm going to fight all my health problems because life is too short. I've accepted it for too long and will save every penny I have to try and pay privately for it to be removed...even if it takes me years. Then I will start on some more alternative therapies to help my body heal.

I can see both sides. Obviously there are more serious cases to have money spent on them but I wouldn't resent anyone getting help, as I know the severity of illness some (not all) implants can cause.
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Old 02-01-2012, 14:43
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What assurances did they get on the safety of the product? I'm sure it's the women's own if fault if they were told beforehand that the implants were a shoddy product that may burst and cause cancer. If they were told the product was perfectly safe then it's hardly all down to the women involved even if it's all a vanity exercise. You can be rest assured that someone's made a lot of money out these women's vanity.
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Old 02-01-2012, 14:43
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If you paid good money to get two sacks of silicone god-knows-what sewn into your body just so that your hubby/boyfriend can manhandle and enjoy a bigger set of boobies, then it's your responsibility to pay good money when you want to get them taken back out again.

The taxpayer didn't enjoy these bigger boobies, the hubby/boyfriend did. So the taxpayer shouldn't pay for any NHS involvement.

Maybe we can now re-evaluate the whole macabre practice of this sort of thing altogether? What dreadful pressure is their on women that they would do this sort of thing to themselves in the first place?

We all laughed at the grotesque washboard stomach that pink haired fat guy had had sewn into his body on Celebrity Big Brother last year. Why on earth should a healthy woman interfere with her natural breasts?
This exactly. I work in the entertainment industry and have seen many fake boobies up close, the majority look awful topless in real life and only look attractive in a low cut top or bra/clothed. I would never have a boob job because of this, until I was older if I had children/they went saggy or so forth. This is because I know that most men find them a turn off, and much prefer natural, no matter how big they are. They feel like hard pieces of rubber in your chest, not nice at all.

I was planning on having one myself early last year, age 19 as was feeling very insecure but have come to accept my Ds the way they are since seeing a few boob jobs at work, natural is so much prettier, trust me
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Old 02-01-2012, 14:48
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From my perspective, any person who has any sort of surgery (elective or not) where implants are used they should be given some sort of guarantee that the implants used are of good quality and if any fault is found at a later date for that batch they should be offered immediate corrective surgery to have the implants removed/replaced.

If the corrective surgery is done through the NHS then the NHS should pursue the manufacturer of the implants to pay for the corrective surgery and any resulting litigation. After all these companies are supposed to be providing a device that should not fail for years (if not at all) under normal wear and tare.
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Old 02-01-2012, 14:50
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Absolutely no way the NHS should pay for private cosmetic work when it goes wrong. the NHS has got kids with cancer to care about.

The women involved should sue the private firms who carried out the procedure.

Why on earth should the private operators get the profit putting them in, and the NHS pick up the bill when it all goes wrong?

The rest of us shouldn't be paying for the sheer vanity of others.
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Old 02-01-2012, 14:51
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If its a health risk then it should be allowed.

You could argue that vanity surgery should be at the persons risk but we offer NHS treatment to people who smoke, or do dangerous sports.

In an ideal world the NHS should then be able to sue the companies that did the defective surgery.
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