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Old 02-01-2012, 14:53
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I wonder what the profit margin is for getting private implants?

If anyone has any info, please link it, I'm interested to read up on this. It's something I've never thought about, but read on the news that something like 50,000 women have implants.

That's a huge industry
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Old 02-01-2012, 14:53
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Absolutely no way the NHS should pay for private cosmetic work when it goes wrong. the NHS has got kids with cancer to care about.

The women involved should sue the private firms who carried out the procedure.

Why on earth should the private operators get the profit putting them in, and the NHS pick up the bill when it all goes wrong?

The rest of us shouldn't be paying for the sheer vanity of others.
I assume you are all for stopping the treatment of any injury or illness that is "self inflicted" on the NHS?
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Old 02-01-2012, 14:53
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You can't deny the fact then when done properly, breast implants do enhance a womans appearance.
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Old 02-01-2012, 14:58
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You can't deny the fact then when done properly, breast implants do enhance a womans appearance.
Nah, I don't think the same, simply because they're so obviously fake and rock hard. I've seen quite a few and have yet to see a pair that will make me think otherwise.

And, you know that the woman concerned has gone through considerable pain to look that way! Huge bruising, you can't lift your arms for weeks after, scarring, aftercare, nipple shifting...

No way!
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Old 02-01-2012, 15:00
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I wonder what the profit margin is for getting private implants?

If anyone has any info, please link it, I'm interested to read up on this. It's something I've never thought about, but read on the news that something like 50,000 women have implants.

That's a huge industry
I'm sure I read that PIPs were only about £100 a pair, considerably less than other more reputable brands.
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Old 02-01-2012, 15:01
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Ach I don't think women should be allowed implants on the NHS in the first place, except for post-cancer reconstruction.
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Old 02-01-2012, 15:02
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You can't deny the fact then when done properly, breast implants do enhance a womans appearance.
Just wondering, have you seen any up close in real life and felt them, or have you just seen them on airbrushed pictures or women who are wearing nice underwear and clothes?

As I have said, I've seen and felt many and have yet to see some I think are natural looking and dont feel like hard rubber.
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Old 02-01-2012, 15:02
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I wonder what the profit margin is for getting private implants?

If anyone has any info, please link it, I'm interested to read up on this. It's something I've never thought about, but read on the news that something like 50,000 women have implants.

That's a huge industry
Potentially even bigger. The more women are scared into having implants, the more £££ can be made.
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Old 02-01-2012, 15:07
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I assume you are all for stopping the treatment of any injury or illness that is "self inflicted" on the NHS?
You've no grounds at all for assuming that.

Drug addiction and alcoholism etc could all be called "self-inflicted" but few would argue against treating the victims.

But suppose someone gets a manky tattoo, pays good money for it, and then decides they don't want it any more. Should the NHS pay for that? No. Same with all cosmetic procedures. No one forced you to have it done, you paid to have it done, so you can pay to get it undone.

Your assumption, unfortunately, is way too simplicistic way to approach an argument as complex as this. My advice to you in future is don't "assume" anything.
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Old 02-01-2012, 15:12
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You've no grounds at all for assuming that.

Drug addiction and alcoholism etc could all be called "self-inflicted" but few would argue against treating the victims.

But suppose someone gets a manky tattoo, pays good money for it, and then decides they don't want it any more. Should the NHS pay for that? No. Same with all cosmetic procedures. No one forced you to have it done, you paid to have it done, so you can pay to get it undone.

Your assumption, unfortunately, is way too simplicistic way to approach an argument as complex as this. My advice to you in future is don't "assume" anything.
My assumption is perfectly rational. Your argument is far from complex, in fact you have offered no reasoning for your rather bizarre stance.

Somebody who chooses to take heroin, smoke, drink, play sports or get fat gets treatment and that's fine with you but somebody who gets implants isn't to help?

Nobody forced people to do those things either so why the double standard?
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Old 02-01-2012, 15:19
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a) why is there no discussion thread about this?

b) personally, i think anyone who has elective cosmetic surgery privately should HAVE to take out insurance to cover any subsequent treatment.
Hmmm seems a good idea - and anyone who plays any kind of sport.
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Old 02-01-2012, 15:22
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My assumption is perfectly rational. Your argument is far from complex, in fact you have offered no reasoning for your rather bizarre stance.

Somebody who chooses to take heroin, smoke, drink, play sports or get fat gets treatment and that's fine with you but somebody who gets implants isn't to help?

Nobody forced people to do those things either so why the double standard?
Queen Bea's argument is far from bizarre, it's perfectly rational.

Those who had implants fitted privately should use their health insurance to get it fixed. It's not the taxpayer's problem.

I don't even agree that the women who had these dodgy implants done on the NHS, should have been allowed to have them in the first place.

Elective cosmetic surgery has no relation to food, alcohol or drug addiction... and we waste quite enough money on those problems as it is.

Btw what bright spark moved this major medical fraud to 'Fashion & Beauty'?
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Old 02-01-2012, 15:25
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Queen Bea's argument is far from bizarre, it's perfectly rational.

Those who had implants fitted privately should use their health insurance to get it fixed. It's not the taxpayer's problem.

I don't even agree that the women who had these dodgy implants done on the NHS, should have been allowed to have them in the first place.

Elective cosmetic surgery has no relation to food, alcohol or drug addiction... and we waste quite enough money on those problems as it is.

Btw what bright spark moved this news & health issue in 'Fashion & Beauty'?
The argument she is making is that people with self inflicted medical problems should not be entitled to NHS help.

Yet apparently she feels this only extends as far as cosmetic surgery.

That's the bizarre part.
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Old 02-01-2012, 15:27
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You can't deny the fact then when done properly, breast implants do enhance a womans appearance.
Surely it's all down to personal taste. I never saw the appeal of them, I think even being completely flat chested is better than having plastic boobs.. Even the proper, expensive ones on celebrities look unnaturally round. It's even more grotesque if the woman is petite.
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Old 02-01-2012, 15:46
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The argument she is making is that people with self inflicted medical problems should not be entitled to NHS help.

Yet apparently she feels this only extends as far as cosmetic surgery.

That's the bizarre part.
Absolute rubbish, and you seem to be rather childishly and deliberately misrepresenting what I said. I am talking purely about cosmetic surgery, taken out as a purchase. It's your decision to buy the product. If it goes wrong, YOU sue the manufacturer and the operator who put them in.

If one of these things bursts in a woman, of course she should be treated on the NHS. But to get the procedure reversed right now, she should go back to where she got it done and get them to sort it out. No one is in any immediate danger.

It should NOt be up to the NHS to sue anyone. These things were put in through sheer vanity, and the customer should sue the manufacturuers themselves.
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Old 02-01-2012, 15:52
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Absolute rubbish, and you seem to be rather childishly and deliberately misrepresenting what I said. I am talking purely about cosmetic surgery, taken out as a purchase. It's your decision to buy the product. If it goes wrong, YOU sue the manufacturer and the operator who put them in.

If one of these things bursts in a woman, of course she should be treated on the NHS. But to get the procedure reversed right now, she should go back to where she got it done and get them to sort it out. No one is in any immediate danger.

It should NOt be up to the NHS to sue anyone. These things were put in through sheer vanity, and the customer should sue the manufacturuers themselves.
I am very sorry to be the one to point out the flaws in your logic but all the faux indignation and accusations in the world won't make your stance any more rational.

How is that different from an obese person who is in no immediate danger? Or a smoker?

Should the above not get help on the NHS to combat their problem?

I am not childishly misrepresenting anything, your argument was that nobody forced them to do this therefore the tax payer shouldn't foot the bill.
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Old 02-01-2012, 16:16
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But suppose someone gets a manky tattoo, pays good money for it, and then decides they don't want it any more. Should the NHS pay for that? No. Same with all cosmetic procedures. No one forced you to have it done, you paid to have it done, so you can pay to get it undone.
I agree with this, especially if the implants were fitted for cosmetic/vanity reasons only.
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Old 02-01-2012, 16:22
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I am very sorry to be the one to point out the flaws in your logic but all the faux indignation and accusations in the world won't make your stance any more rational.

How is that different from an obese person who is in no immediate danger? Or a smoker?

Should the above not get help on the NHS to combat their problem?

I am not childishly misrepresenting anything, your argument was that nobody forced them to do this therefore the tax payer shouldn't foot the bill.
You equate someone who is "obese" (through whatever reason... do you realise that not all "obese" people are simply uncontrollably greedy???) with someone who decided they wanted to fork out on bigger boobs for the sake of it?

Outrageous. And cruel. Eating disorders are not a personal choice. Unlike cosmetic breast implants.
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Old 02-01-2012, 16:29
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Queen Bea's argument is far from bizarre, it's perfectly rational.

Those who had implants fitted privately should use their health insurance to get it fixed. It's not the taxpayer's problem.

I don't even agree that the women who had these dodgy implants done on the NHS, should have been allowed to have them in the first place.

Elective cosmetic surgery has no relation to food, alcohol or drug addiction... and we waste quite enough money on those problems as it is.

Btw what bright spark moved this major medical fraud to 'Fashion & Beauty'?
People elect to take drugs and alcohol, so it is much the same thing. It is just another choice that someone makes.
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Old 02-01-2012, 16:31
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You equate someone who is "obese" (through whatever reason... do you realise that not all "obese" people are simply uncontrollably greedy???) with someone who decided they wanted to fork out on bigger boobs for the sake of it?

Outrageous. And cruel. Eating disorders are not a personal choice. Unlike cosmetic breast implants.
I have a feeling that your argument is more to do with your prejudice against all cosmetic surgery.
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Old 02-01-2012, 16:39
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You equate someone who is "obese" (through whatever reason... do you realise that not all "obese" people are simply uncontrollably greedy???) with someone who decided they wanted to fork out on bigger boobs for the sake of it?

Outrageous. And cruel. Eating disorders are not a personal choice. Unlike cosmetic breast implants.
Right so in your astoundingly hypocritical world all people who have plastic surgery do so because they are vacuous vain airheads and there is never any sort of underlying issues of self esteem or self image?

And you call me outrageous and cruel?
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Old 02-01-2012, 16:42
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I have a feeling that your argument is more to do with your prejudice against all cosmetic surgery.
Indeed, my whole point was all of Queen Beas arguments can be applied to all sorts of ailments so why is she singling out implants?

Sadly it seems to have gone over her head.
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Old 02-01-2012, 16:58
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The argument she is making is that people with self inflicted medical problems should not be entitled to NHS help.

Yet apparently she feels this only extends as far as cosmetic surgery.

That's the bizarre part.
If you think that then you haven't grasped her point at all.
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Old 02-01-2012, 17:06
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People elect to take drugs and alcohol, so it is much the same thing. It is just another choice that someone makes.
Deciding to buy a car tomorrow is 'just another choice that someone makes'; are you claiming that this is 'much the same thing' as breast implants??

Recreational drugs & alcohol use are not inserted into the body (a minority of bodies) by the NHS & private firms at considerable cost.
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Old 02-01-2012, 17:07
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I have a feeling that your argument is more to do with your prejudice against all cosmetic surgery.
Don't throw words like "prejudice" about. I have no strong feelings for or against cosmetic surgery - it is a CHOICE people elect to make. It would have NOTHING to do with me, be none of my business, what things people have sewn into their bodies in order to feel more attractive to men. You get it done privately, not on the NHS. No one forces you to do it.

So why is it the NHS that has to pick up the bill when things go wrong?

I've got nothing against any of these women getting proper medical attention if something DOES go wrong, but in this case, where it's more of a precaution at the moment, why shouldn't they be knocking on the doors of the cosmetic surgery places who took their money in the first place? Why not go back to the clinic and say "the product you sold me is not fit for purpose, please remove them"?
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