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Old 02-01-2012, 17:44
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These implants were the cheaper ones apparently. I've got no sympathy with the women involved, they were so desperately vain that they opted to go down the cheap route and now look what's happened. It's their own faults.
Please don't post assumptions on something you clearly know nothing about. The women purchasing these implants paid the full price for them. We were assured they were top of the range, it was the clinics who were getting the discount, that was certainly not passed onto ourselves. So we did not choose to go down the cheap route.
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Old 02-01-2012, 18:25
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Ach I don't think women should be allowed implants on the NHS in the first place, except for post-cancer reconstruction.
Exactly. Why the heck is tax payers money being spent on cosmetic surgery in the first place? Unbelievable!
Edit; Are implants (non cancer related) available on the NHS?
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Old 02-01-2012, 18:42
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I wondered why there was nothing in GD, or even politics about this topic.

I hadn't thought of loooking in Health and Beauty at all. I didn't really see it as a H & B topic.

I do think it is a shame that so many women feel pressured into having these, though, with all the potential for problems.

having said that, I do think there are a lot of reasoned comments being made. I think in many ways it can make us think/question exactly what the NHS is about.

the problem is that for most of the women affected, they will have to wait until it DOES become a problem and affects their health, and then the NHS probably WILL pick up the bill.
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Old 02-01-2012, 18:42
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Non cancer related ones are available on the NHS. You have to make a case for yourself, that you are depressed/ cannot leave the house/ unable to get a job because you are self conscious/ body dysmorphic etc.


Its a long process involving seeing psychologists or psychiatrists, so a lot of people just pay for them.
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Old 02-01-2012, 18:55
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I wondered why there was nothing in GD, or even politics about this topic.

I hadn't thought of loooking in Health and Beauty at all. I didn't really see it as a H & B topic.

I do think it is a shame that so many women feel pressured into having these, though, with all the potential for problems.
Hi OP

I agree with the bit I've bolded

Breast Implants are seen by many women as completely normal, acceptable, a rite of passage, something 'everyone' does, something men like, something they should do as just about 'every' celebrity has them and Surgery ads appear in all magazines and online.

Just as you'd get veneers, lipo, rhinoplasty. collagen lips - I mean, everyone does it, so the persistent marketing line goes.

So, impressionable women hang the expense and undergo the invasive surgery at any cost.

And a few people at the top of the tree get very rich
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Old 02-01-2012, 19:16
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If you paid good money to get two sacks of silicone god-knows-what sewn into your body just so that your hubby/boyfriend can manhandle and enjoy a bigger set of boobies, then it's your responsibility to pay good money when you want to get them taken back out again.

The taxpayer didn't enjoy these bigger boobies, the hubby/boyfriend did. So the taxpayer shouldn't pay for any NHS involvement.

Maybe we can now re-evaluate the whole macabre practice of this sort of thing altogether? What dreadful pressure is their on women that they would do this sort of thing to themselves in the first place?

We all laughed at the grotesque washboard stomach that pink haired fat guy had had sewn into his body on Celebrity Big Brother last year. Why on earth should a healthy woman interfere with her natural breasts?
I agree with you that breast implants are just vile. You can get bras with extra padding if you are small breasted but I just cannot understand why any woman would mutilate her body to look like a freak. Its time that we went back to people being individuals not being pressurised into looking like walking barbies.

I guess if there is a health risk then they might have be removed on the NHS but I really wish women would just not have them in the first place.
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Old 02-01-2012, 19:26
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Hi OP

I agree with the bit I've bolded

Breast Implants are seen by many women as completely normal, acceptable, a rite of passage, something 'everyone' does, something men like, something they should do as just about 'every' celebrity has them and Surgery ads appear in all magazines and online. Just as you'd get veneers, lipo, rhinoplasty. collagen lips - I mean, everyone does it, so the persistent marketing line goes.

So, impressionable women hang the expense and undergo the invasive surgery at any cost.

And a few people at the top of the tree get very rich
BIB - I remember one of the muppets on TOWIE saying that she thought real breats are disgusting and she couldn't understand why anyone woiuld have 'real, saggy ones' when you could have 'big, firm fake ones'. I know they're idiots on that show but, sadly, that's the sort of view that a certain type of woman thinks now.
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Old 02-01-2012, 19:30
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BIB - I remember one of the muppets on TOWIE saying that she thought real breats are disgusting and she couldn't understand why anyone woiuld have 'real, saggy ones' when you could have 'big, firm fake ones'. I know they're idiots on that show but, sadly, that's the sort of view that a certain type of woman thinks now.
it's so noticeable in old films.

gentleman prefer blondes was on the other day - marilyn monroe and jane russell. neither of them are size 8's by any means, and they were both held up as being very curvy actresses, but their breasts don't appear to be anything like the size you commonly see nowadays.

i am male, by the way.
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Old 02-01-2012, 19:50
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I agree with you that breast implants are just vile. You can get bras with extra padding if you are small breasted but I just cannot understand why any woman would mutilate her body to look like a freak. Its time that we went back to people being individuals not being pressurised into looking like walking barbies.

I guess if there is a health risk then they might have be removed on the NHS but I really wish women would just not have them in the first place.
That situation has never existed. People, particularly women, have always been pressured to be something they are not, from actions, fashion and as of late via cosmestic surgery.

In regards to breast implants I am indifferent, so long as purely cosmestic surgery isn't paid for by the NHS.

In regards to this situation, if there is a health issue that can be prevented by removal now, rather than an health issue later caused by bursting then I can see a good reason for NHS paying for it. This could be qualified however, the NHS would only remove them if the company (or owners of that company) that fitted them no longer exists in any sueable form and the person who has the implants does not have the financial means to do it privately.

Under no circumstances should the NHS replace them except for health and gender reassignment reasons.
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Old 02-01-2012, 20:13
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Just wondering about the issue of Breast Implants - maybe someone on DS who has them can answer, if you like

Do women that have them presume they'll be getting them taken out at some point in their lives, or do they imagine having them for ever and ever? Even when naturally you're old and wrinkly? Yet still with big, hard breasts?
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Old 02-01-2012, 20:18
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it's so noticeable in old films.

gentleman prefer blondes was on the other day - marilyn monroe and jane russell. neither of them are size 8's by any means, and they were both held up as being very curvy actresses, but their breasts don't appear to be anything like the size you commonly see nowadays.

i am male, by the way.

Yes, this is definitely true! Great film BTW

Someone should do a photoshop of what Marilyn or a similar Hollywood pin up would look like by today's standards of actresses nowadays!

Even in the old Carry On Films, the pretty, whit-woo dollybirds come in all shapes and sizes and all have natural boobs
Nowadays, they'd be botoxed, siliconed and surgeried to the hilt
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Old 02-01-2012, 20:23
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Yes, this is definitely true! Great film BTW

Someone should do a photoshop of what Marilyn or a similar Hollywood pin up would look like by today's standards of actresses nowadays!

Even in the old Carry On Films, the pretty, whit-woo dollybirds come in all shapes and sizes and all have natural boobs
Nowadays, they'd be botoxed, siliconed and surgeried to the hilt
As Regis pointed out they weren't exactly natural in those days either

Monroe is actually a good example of that

Marilyn

Or how about Rita Hayworth?
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Old 02-01-2012, 20:37
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As Regis pointed out they weren't exactly natural in those days either

Monroe is actually a good example of that

Marilyn

Or how about Rita Hayworth?
I suppose nowadays they'd have collagen cheeks, lips, breast implants and lipo as well as stuff like rhinoplasty etc

Bit OT but I caught a picture of Megan Fox the other day, she has so much cheek filler I didn't recognise her. Can find the link (DM link) if anyone is interested
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Old 02-01-2012, 21:16
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I suppose nowadays they'd have collagen cheeks, lips, breast implants and lipo as well as stuff like rhinoplasty etc

Bit OT but I caught a picture of Megan Fox the other day, she has so much cheek filler I didn't recognise her. Can find the link (DM link) if anyone is interested
Megan Fox has had a lot of work done, even just between the two Transformers films she looks very different.
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Old 03-01-2012, 10:58
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At last a voice of reason from a politician:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/he...-implants.html

By all means give the women involved whatever medical procedure they need to remove these dreadful things, but send the bill to the private clinics who put them in in the first place.

After this scandal, it might be worth considering banning these things in Britain altogether. The media should be, meantime, pressurised into stop making women feel they need them.

If we ban them, we will never be faced with this ridiculous situation again where people have paid for an uneccessary procedure and then, when it goes wrong, started knocking at the door of the NHS.

I heard one hysterical scouse woman on radio 4 at the weekend blaming everything and everyone except herself for her implant worries. Who forced her to have them?

Enough of this nonsense where woman have these things sewn into their bodies, disfiguring their natural breasts. We have NO IDEA of the long term consequences. Anyone who has any experience with breast cancer will tell you you should *never* interfere with healthy breasts... be grateful for them, big, small or whatever. I can remember when the Twiggy flat-chested look was in. Woman shouldn't feel obligated by fashion or the sexual desires of men to alter their bodies.

What on earth is going to happen to these things inside you when you are 70, 80, 90?
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Old 03-01-2012, 23:53
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I don't know why the french company isn't being held responsible.
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Old 04-01-2012, 00:26
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If the French data is right of course it should be paid for on the NHS.

People who had it done made a decision based on the information available.
l agree and a good number of the UK cases would no doubt be due to reconstructive surgery following cancer operations, etc.

A pragmatic approach might be to take some form of ultrasound scan to see if there are any causes for concern and then only operate if the implants are defective/ruptured.
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Old 04-01-2012, 01:05
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At last a voice of reason from a politician:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/he...-implants.html

By all means give the women involved whatever medical procedure they need to remove these dreadful things, but send the bill to the private clinics who put them in in the first place.

After this scandal, it might be worth considering banning these things in Britain altogether. The media should be, meantime, pressurised into stop making women feel they need them.
Yea ban everything you don't like, that works great.

No voice of reason there at all.

The media is filled with giant breasts? Really? Sorry, that old trope really has to go, it is as if folks haven't actually thought it through before they opened their mouths on this one. I'm sure all the biggest actresses have the biggest breasts right? All the super models and fashion runway models have the biggest breasts right? Somehow kiera knightly and natalie portman can't get jobs because they are flat as boards right?.... If anything based on this media theory women would be getting breast reductions

The old whipping boy of the media bit makes zero sense at all. Beyond that it is based on a patronizing idea of women as mentally fragile and unfit for life in the real world.
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Old 04-01-2012, 10:04
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I don't know why the french company isn't being held responsible.
It recently went tits up.
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Old 04-01-2012, 15:43
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It recently went tits up.
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Old 04-01-2012, 23:19
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Yea ban everything you don't like, that works great.

No voice of reason there at all.

The media is filled with giant breasts? Really? Sorry, that old trope really has to go, it is as if folks haven't actually thought it through before they opened their mouths on this one. I'm sure all the biggest actresses have the biggest breasts right? All the super models and fashion runway models have the biggest breasts right? Somehow kiera knightly and natalie portman can't get jobs because they are flat as boards right?.... If anything based on this media theory women would be getting breast reductions

The old whipping boy of the media bit makes zero sense at all. Beyond that it is based on a patronizing idea of women as mentally fragile and unfit for life in the real world.
If the media had the influence it is said to have 1/4 British people wouldn't be obese surely?
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Old 04-01-2012, 23:49
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My god there are some narrow minded, brainless idiots on this thread. Try researching a subject before spouting rubbish you've just made up in your heads.
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Old 05-01-2012, 04:28
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If the media had the influence it is said to have 1/4 British people wouldn't be obese surely?
Yea that is pretty much the biggest give away

Funny how weird agendas can blind people to what really is around them.
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Old 06-01-2012, 22:24
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Don't throw words like "prejudice" about. I have no strong feelings for or against cosmetic surgery - it is a CHOICE people elect to make. It would have NOTHING to do with me, be none of my business, what things people have sewn into their bodies in order to feel more attractive to men. You get it done privately, not on the NHS. No one forces you to do it.

So why is it the NHS that has to pick up the bill when things go wrong?

I've got nothing against any of these women getting proper medical attention if something DOES go wrong, but in this case, where it's more of a precaution at the moment, why shouldn't they be knocking on the doors of the cosmetic surgery places who took their money in the first place? Why not go back to the clinic and say "the product you sold me is not fit for purpose, please remove them"?
I agree.

The private companies were paid to do the procedure, the NHS wasnt(In most cases)

So the private companies should be made to take them out, not the NHS.
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Old 22-01-2012, 19:56
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My god there are some narrow minded, brainless idiots on this thread. Try researching a subject before spouting rubbish you've just made up in your heads.
Here Here!

The women that had these implants fitted employed the services of a professional and paid dearly for that professional advice/procedure.

The advice given by these professionals was based on the Medical Councils/Governments recommendation that these implants were safe, but it now transpires that that advice could well be flawed. So who is to blame??? The specialist for giving advice (that he was being told was correct), the surgeon for putting these implants in (that he was being told were safe) or the Government body that passed these implants in the first place?

In my business I have professional Indemnity Insurance for cases as above, I would be amazed if these specialists dont have the same.

As for some of the narrow minded opinions above .... Just because you canty afford them or dont want them it shouldnt mean others cant have them or are wrong for wanting them.
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