Originally Posted by gussiecat:
“I dont think anybody can deny they were both hurting. John looked devastated and worn out in TSAJ. He looked at the end of a very short thread and exhausted but he obviously still loved her but didnt know what to do. Josie was obviously hurt too, you could see that on TSAJ and afterwards too. Perhaps John felt he had backdown to Josie one too many time. It was Josie who ended it and told everyone he would have a new girlfriend in a couple of weeks, she obviously didnt believe he cared. perhaps John in a childish and immature moment decided to play her at her own game. i dont know. His anger certainly seemed to indicate to me anger and pain not a lack of feeling.
Josie was obviously devastated too. She showed some regret over their ending wheras John did not mention or have the opportunity to mention his pain. We could all see the pain on Josies face for a couple of months afterwards as she was on TV and in mags and was more open in tweets and dms(apparantly)
I think they were both heartbroken that it didnt work and to say otherwise is in a way belittling their relationship.”
Originally Posted by
ferfer:
“John did look devastated and worn out. He also didn't cry once. From a man who cried countless times in the BB house and in his life...his words. I'm saying what I saw. Yes perhaps it's Josie's fault for John leaving, of course it is. It couldn't be John's fault. It couldn't be what John wanted. Because that wouldn't be the John that is in people's minds here. I thought both were as bad as each other...wait, that's only when something is negative about John. Trashing Josie alone is okay.
Also, John's now told us that he ended it. (I left YOU...his exact words) So maybe Josie didn't end it. She was mad in the middle of a fight and said stuff she regretted. Who here hasn't done that? But John has told us now that he ended it. Wonder when he ended it? When he left? When he got to Oz? When he started talking to Sherrie? Maybe qwerty will ask John since he got John to "end it" on Twitter for all to find out...Josie as well. As we know Josie didn't think it was over at that time. Until she tweeted Sorry guys JJJ is over, or whatever.
And it's not playing Josie at her own game to pretend to have a new girl friend, say he's over over her, and selling 2 stories on it mere weeks later. So in that case if anyone's sold themselves out, it's John.
It's interesting how John's anger is always excused by all these romantic feelings he has, when it's just seemed like John's M.O. of any argument...to need to be right. Just food for thought.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...fa246418fb634c
Tsunami warnings as well. I hope Josie slept through it and isn't affected by it at all, but all the islands are close. Terrifying that the last time this happened 230,000 people died.”
Ferfer, I think I need to get new glasses as I am struggling to see where in my post I said it was Josies fault John left? Obviously there was something wrong NEITHER looked happy. I am sorry they did not show John's tears if there were any to show you and satisfy yr need to believe he was hurt..
I dont think I said I believed John was in the right to post said mag article. I happen to believe it was very cruel and not necessary but perhaps I can see why people act the way they do. Not everything that Josie does is perfect either. Oh crap obviously this is not true and just me damning her again. How dare I think nothing was her fault! How dare I presume that in a relationship where they both looked exhausted that they were both wrong! I dare because I understand that no one is perfect.
Yes John is right he did leave her . Physically. She did say she didnt mean it when John said she ended it but perhaps Ferfer just perhaps she had said that before. Who knows? Me certainly not. Yes I believe whatever was said by her was in the heat of the moment but they were BOTH vicious in arguments.
Tell me where I said Josie had sold herself ? Yes John did a stupid article so yes he sold himself. How many articles has Josie mentioned John in whilst comparing him to her new bf? Is that selling out?
No I do not excuse John his actions under romanticism but nor do I view him as the amoral , immoral little idiot that you obviously do. I think that it was an adult relatiionship and as such they were both at fault and continue to be both at fault. The truth is that your constant need to put John down and tells us how much of a saint Josie has been in the eye of such hideous behaviour makes me for want of a better word defend John but believe it or not if someone was as negative towards Josie as you are to John I would defend her as I do think she is a nice normal lass.
Please read my posts with your prejudgmental glasses off in future, then u may actually see I wasnt criticising Josie.