I was waiting on a few more answers to the difference between qwerty and muckers and loys. I guess my question was answered. There isn't any.
Originally Posted by
bblover:
“Another question:Is Qwerty a loy or a mucker?
Shite,thanks ferfs
My NY resolution was not to mention the L&M words ever again...guess it's a fail lol”
Does it matter? It's someone else continuing the drama which continues the hate given to John and Josie. Something I thought was frowned upon. My bad!
Originally Posted by JJJ lover:
“Ask away Ferfer - and I'll give you an answer -
1. I couldn't really give a flying f--- - what any one does or doesn't do anymore in relation to John James or Josie - however I do think people must be proper sados to tweet them with hate
2. I find Qwerty funny - shoot me
3. I've got more problems in my life than John James, Josie or being asked "just a question" from you.
If you don't like me - say so - I don't CARE!!!! If you want to have a go and want me to do the same back - tough - I'm not into it.
I LIKE QWERTY and this is my right.
I don't like some of the tweeters that tweet John and Josie directly.”
I don't dislike anyone on here. Just because you and others say that repeatedly doesn't make it true. I'm discussing John and Josie and the issues about them. I'm not having a go. How is that having a go? I asked a question that I was curious about the answer.
It was stated here repeatedly that people think muckers and loys are sad, they are the reason there is still so much hatred towards John and Josie, the reason Josie's employers have been contacted, the reason John's not on Twitter so much, the reason the stupid Plus Sized poll went nuts. They are constantly put down for these things. Qwerty does the same. Qwerty actually tweets John and Josie directly to stir stuff and to cause trouble.
All I asked was the difference between the two. I'm sure some loys and muckers are funny, but they nor qwerty are helping the situation. And encouraging any of them, just continues the drama. I don't understand why people would want to do that...which is why I asked the question.
Originally Posted by
miljo:
“arn't people just trying to have a little bit of fun, a bit of a laugh!!
we don't want to be serious about eveything all the time. 
”
I guess my sense of humor is different. I don't find qwerty taking the piss out JJJ fans, this place, John, Josie, Luke funny. I don't see stirring stuff up where anyone gets more hate is a positive thing. I don't see how it's any different than the muckers or loys, both of which have been repeatedly criticized here. I was asking the difference. To me there isn't any.
Surely there's more ways to have a laugh? Some may say creating a hate page for members of this thread they don't like, but that seems pretty negative too. Especially if we don't like the hate that's sent to John and Josie.
Originally Posted by gussiecat:
“Ferfer, I think I need to get new glasses as I am struggling to see where in my post I said it was Josies fault John left? Obviously there was something wrong NEITHER looked happy. I am sorry they did not show John's tears if there were any to show you and satisfy yr need to believe he was hurt..
I dont think I said I believed John was in the right to post said mag article. I happen to believe it was very cruel and not necessary but perhaps I can see why people act the way they do. Not everything that Josie does is perfect either. Oh crap obviously this is not true and just me damning her again. How dare I think nothing was her fault! How dare I presume that in a relationship where they both looked exhausted that they were both wrong! I dare because I understand that no one is perfect.
Yes John is right he did leave her . Physically. She did say she didnt mean it when John said she ended it but perhaps Ferfer just perhaps she had said that before. Who knows? Me certainly not. Yes I believe whatever was said by her was in the heat of the moment but they were BOTH vicious in arguments.
Tell me where I said Josie had sold herself ? Yes John did a stupid article so yes he sold himself. How many articles has Josie mentioned John in whilst comparing him to her new bf? Is that selling out?
No I do not excuse John his actions under romanticism but nor do I view him as the amoral , immoral little idiot that you obviously do. I think that it was an adult relatiionship and as such they were both at fault and continue to be both at fault. The truth is that your constant need to put John down and tells us how much of a saint Josie has been in the eye of such hideous behaviour makes me for want of a better word defend John but believe it or not if someone was as negative towards Josie as you are to John I would defend her as I do think she is a nice normal lass.
Please read my posts with your prejudgmental glasses off in future, then u may actually see I wasnt criticising Josie.”
My post wasn't necessarily directed just at you, but the general thoughts by a majority of the members here. I've never ever said Josie was perfect. It's not my fault that's what people have built up in their minds about me. It's not true at all. I also don't think John's an "amoral immature idiot". You did say that perhaps Josie forced him to back down too much which led to him leaving. That is blaming her for his leaving and making an assumption.
I only mentioned the selling out in relation to if he lied about his relationship with Sherrie. I think it's selling out if you're lying about it. I don't think either of them have lied about their relationships, but there are several who suggest it.
John's behavior is romanticized here. Any behavior that is negatively directed at Josie is turned around to show how much he cares for her, which is slightly worrying. Yet Josie comments on her past relationship and she's criticized and made fun of here. It's interesting. Maybe you can try and read the thread non-judgmentally and see how it actually comes across.
hope the news tomorrow is good
chosen for what
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