Also I think some of our opinions of the loys comes from the days of the sandloys group, where it was totally dominated by a group of young girls who have displayed some appalling behaviour towards Josie and spent most of their time being nasty or trying desperately to get the attention of one of Johns friends. When John shut down the loys group, it seemed to me the worst offenders then set up the exclusive group and persuaded the loys to join, followed by John who probably doesn't give enough of a rip to notice and thus they now hold power they have no right to.....such is life!

some very interesting posts this morning, keeps the thread going, although dont you just get fed up of hearing the m and l word, your either a fan or not a fan , its a bit pathetic, how grown ups can act how they do, its like in the playground, im sure some have children, wonder what sort of role model they are, because theyre no better that the school ground bullies who are expelled for less

hello how are you today

Hello everyone some good posts on here today and last night

yes there were also some very funny ones

Hi Barbara. My birthday is 19th January (won't say the year) but 21 again I wish.x

Yes there was i like it when there is lots to read

So do I, especially when i'm out all day love when there's at least 10 pages, I have to read from where I left off, can't jump straight in which is why sometimes again i catch up everyone's either gone or going maggi x

there was also some good points made ie muckers nd loys

im fine thankyoubabies gone home house to myself till 10pm, when im home im fine, i can cope most of the time, its when i go out, its worse xxx

i have to read every thing as well i also stick my head over the neibours fence to see what their saying as well im nosey

Hi Sue, hope your feeling a bit better today, are you trying your physio? maggi x

I look at all the neighbours as well as twitter, wouldn't call it nosey, a little curious maybe maggi x

And I'm still confused by the fact that people support that when it causes more hate/drama for both or either John or Josie. That's not fun for me. I enjoy the positive things.

Quoted from Killing Time - couldn't get quotes to work right.

Yes, the extreme ones. Since the breakup drama began that's how this thread has labeled them. I don't think the humor makes qwerty any better than the others. Ben could be funny in the BB house, but his humor was usually a put down of someone. It's not a good thing and I don't think qwerty's intent is just to be funny, I think it's to preach, to belittle, and to hurt the people involved, whoever he's targetting at the moment. And I'm not a fan of that.


Thank you for seeing what is there, that his behavior is excused here. I'm not making it up or looking for a fight in here as people seem to think. And that does make sense to some extent. But the fact that John's hate-filled tweets and some of his actions towards Josie to purposely hurt her are obvious, he still gets a pass on these and they are romanticized for what people wish his intent is, while Josie has just given her opinion on her relationship and is criticized for it. And someone pointed out recently, she hasn't given out details. She's just stated how she felt in the relationship. John doesn't mince his words. Which is why I take what he says at face value, not creating a story that I want to believe.



This is what I'm talking about, the need to keep the drama going. Most people break up and the drama dies down fairly quickly. John and Josie still haven't had a respite from it and we're closing in on a year since he left. These people have their own agenda, and I include qwerty in that. Just because he posts sappy things occaisionally, he's still keeping the drama up which keeps the different sides going at each other, and not allowing John or Josie to move on, forget, forgive, and heal. I've said it here before, people who put their own agendas before John or Josie's aren't supporting them.

Yes there was but i dont have anything to do with Loys or Muckers i'm sure they are very nice members but its not for me

curious is what ill call it as well then

not for me either

Just watching Gilmore Girls that is so sweet Lorelai just sang to luke so sweet

I am sure that the two groups are fine as Cheeky says, and there are perfectly nice gentle people who post on both I know ; but in the long term the whole mucker and loy term has spread to the extreme John fans call the muckers names and some fans of Josie call the John fans names. I am always seeing dm s and uckers bandied about. It is like something out of the schoolyard when in fact we are talking about grown woman with jobs careers children . So in the long run was it wise for John and Josie to foster these groups maybe making up these names has made it so much easier for people to take sides just a thought but too late now anyway.

[quote=muddyminded;55839726]I can understand you having a positive opinion because you have been included and accepted for your unique opinions, others amongst us haven't and I resent (as I'm sure John would) people excluding and holding power to exclude and judge other people when really they have no right doing that. I did used to be a member of the muckers but only because they accepted anyone (as the loys should) but Josie speaks on twitter so there didn't seem much point. I don't want to be a member of a fan community and suck up to people that hold power, who's behaviour I often abhor, just so I can be thrown a few scraps of information. So until they change their ways, many of Johns fans will be excluded and what that will mean I don't know.[/QUOTE
Good afternoon, on for a few mins to catch up, agree with most points made on this post

Gilmore Girls is the BEST! Love Lorelei and Luke!


What's sad is they are both terms used by John and Josie that they used before BB and now while they may consider the groups their positive fans, the connotation doesn't jive with that.

tried it in bed (the breating exercises) but didnt feel any different, but will keep up with it thanx

Afternoon all

Just having a quick catch up in between doing some housework

I will be back later


I agree with you Cheeky

Hi Barbs

Can I add mine, it is the 16th February

Irish Dreamer yes I'm talking to you will we ever see you back here again even a pm saying how you are would be nice waiting and hoping Irish xxx