[FFS]

Yeah that was pretty good stuff.

Wonder what happened? Looked like they made off with an ember that would have been workable. Did they not prepare for success? Did they fail because the other women weren't helping or in on it at all? Did they even make it back to their side of the camp? It just seemed like they got away with it and then (because they have to cram all this shit together so ridiculously) nop, nuh-uh, cut to commercial, cut back to WTF...

[Paradise_Lost]

Chelsea is my clear favourite so far. She caught two cocks and made Matt pout. The metaphor possibilities for that sequence are endless.

I'm not sure we should call the men's tribe dicks as I'm not sure that's an apt description considering some of their behaviour and decisions. It's a bit too flattering. They're arsheholes but they're a cohesive collection of arseholes apart from Colton. Colton calling out Matt for being arrogant was a bit rich, even though Matt is certainly narcissistic. Colton's power trip after being gifted the immunity idol and his general smugness is worse than any of the other blokes. Matt going on about not sharing the chickens kicking off the bad vibes between the genders? He looked really shaken after being shut down. What did he expect? Michael stole from their tribe you bellend!

I hope Alicia isn't long for this game. Want her mug off my screen soon. Jonas was less boring than I thought he'd be. I'm liking him. "Doesn't look like one world to me bro." Need to see more of Leif ... literally and figuratively ... the camera seems to lose him a lot.

[Yobaba**]

How are people watching this online? I can't seem to find it yet. Is it being uploaded onto youtube?

[tally]

I'd got it d/l by 6.30 ( I only try and watch the finale and Reunion live due to the quality.)

It was strangely unsatisfying having nobody eliminated. But first impressions, other than this series has the potential to be a goody. Love that I didn't know any of them, love there was no stupid RI, but

1) Most of the men look like total jerks. Matt is a mysogynist a-hole, Michael is an alpha testoterone fuelled idiot while Colton is going to annoy the crap out of me. As Jeff says he's the villain, I guess he stays around quite a time. As for the Troyzan/Tarzan duo.....

2) Get Alicia out. It's like fingernails grating down a blackboard. Why oh why do these women have to be stereotypically loud-mouthed, in your face, shrews? Do they ever realise how they come across. It's so unattractive.

3) Early faves are all women. Kim, Chelsea and Sabrina. Chelsea catching two live chickens was awesome. As was her response to a-hole No 2-Michael, that they hand over one as an apology. For what? Letting you steal half their stuff. Moron.

I like the idea of one beach. It looks like it could really shake the strategy up drastically. And, for once, in a good way. No stupid RI, or Exile Island.

My gay porn star (Jay) made quite a good impression with his fire making skills. Then he opened his mouth and he joined the rest of the misogynists. What is it with men in a group that they turn into total and utter so called "he-men".
Dont they realise there will be a merge and most likely a tribal switch up in the not so distant future? I guess proving to each other what "menly men" they are is more important than actually thinking ahead and their need not to piss the women off.

And Probst, your lecture on "“the single biggest mistake made in this game is doing decisions early on that nobody will forgive you for in the end. But it is your call.” was complete bs. This is Survivor and a complete no brainer. You take the immunity. Give up certain immunity so that you may chalk a few brownie points weeks ahead? Puurlease. There was a balance beam, and I'm sure a lot remember what happened to the men of Vanuatu on that particular obstacle!

But I bet he and the producers were p'd off that the challenge ended so abruptly. All that construction and effort gone to waste. Still, Jeff made himself sound like a total prat.

Alicia in Tribal Council? "Oi vey!" Shut the hell up woman!

Ah well, good promising start. Here's looking forward to next week.

[Yobaba**]

I did find it in the end. Thought it was a really good opening.

There's a lot of unlikeable people in this cast but that's what made it so promising really. Lots of people who are ready to stir things up and the one camp seems to be causing drama. I agree the men in general seem awful and I can't see the Matt / Jay group lasting for very long. Probably Matt will be one of the first to go, he is just too much.

Alicia too, urgh! But in a way I was pleased when nobody is eliminated as I would like to see the dynamics of the women's tribe played out more.

[RileyM]

Originally Posted by tally

I'd got it d/l by 6.30 ( I only try and watch the finale and Reunion live due to the quality.)

Where/how do you watch the finale live? PM me if needed.

[Sad_BB_Addict]

DS Survivor recap http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/ustv/s76...-no-rules.html

[Sad_BB_Addict]

JP on first episode http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/02/16/je...orld-premiere/

[Paradise_Lost]

Originally Posted by tally

3) Early faves are all women. Kim, Chelsea and Sabrina. Chelsea catching two live chickens was awesome. As was her response to a-hole No 2-Michael, that they hand over one as an apology. For what? Letting you steal half their stuff. Moron.

Actually that was Asshole #1: The pouting cockless Matt that wanted the chickens as an apology.

Originally Posted by tally

There was a balance beam, and I'm sure a lot remember what happened to the men of Vanuatu on that particular obstacle!

I just rewatched Vanuatu. They weren't always bright but aside from one or two that group of men were so much more likeable and less chauvinistic. They didn't actually turn into a bunch of "he-men." Sarge and Matt were often complimentary of the women. Speaking of balance beams... I think Leif's size could be an advantage in some challenges based on past survivors. The men would do well to keep that in mind.

And we did have an elimination. Just not a vote off. I was disappointed to see Kourtney go already. I liked her.

[tally]

Originally Posted by RileyM

Where/how do you watch the finale live? PM me if needed.

No idea. Someone usually posts a link near the end of the series and I follow that. Actually I think in future I'd rather wait and watch it straight off rather than sit through hours ( or thats what it seems like) of adverts.

[tally]

Originally Posted by Paradise_Lost

Actually that was Asshole #1: The pouting cockless Matt that wanted the chickens as an apology.

Ah Thanks. That'll teach me to watch it when I'm still half asleep.

I just rewatched Vanuatu. They weren't always bright but aside from one or two that group of men were so much more likeable and less chauvinistic. They didn't actually turn into a bunch of "he-men." Sarge and Matt were often complimentary of the women. Speaking of balance beams... I think Leif's size could be an advantage in some challenges based on past survivors. The men would do well to keep that in mind.

Vanuatu men's downfall was starting to play the individual game before they'd consolidated a team. To this day I'm still in awe of Chris winning. I've only appreciated what a brilliant job he did after about the 3rd time round. Agree with you about Lief, but the fact he was given very little airtime doesn't bode well for his longevity.

And we did have an elimination. Just not a vote off. I was disappointed to see Kourtney go already. I liked her.

Yup, but you know what I mean. I was sorry she went, Kourtney looked interesting.

[Redmond]

Best Survivor premiere since Heroes vs Villains. Loved it.

Chelsea is an early favourite. Catching two chickens on her own, and refusing to hand one over to the guys. Bad ass.

I had no problem with the men taking the immunity win though. Who wouldn't? The girls aren't kidding anyone, they would have taken it too - the aim of the game is to survive and knock out your competition, you aren't going to risk throwing away a guaranteed win. It was Probst's fault anyway, surely they could have just adjusted the challenge to make it work, instead of the "Men, you can have the win if you want?" idea.

Great start though!

[Sad_BB_Addict]

Andy Dehnart’s review of 1st epi (spoilers obviously!)

http://www.realityblurred.com/realit...6_kourtney-out

[fab cesc]

Originally Posted by FFS

They could absolutely, without a doubt, every 24 hour day, find oodles more than enough to fill 45 minutes of airtime from a situation where ~15 people vying for a million dollars are left to survive on an island or some other beautiful place.



So you want more shown... but not more shown.

Okay.

Sorry. I'm never amazed that there is always someone willing to argue anything; but I'm always amused. So thanks.

Interesting. So you're saying they could "absolutely without doubt" get enough quality footage, and that's the key part here, to film an episode every day?

Can you explain why survivor do double boot episodes post merge then? The producers obviously don't feel like they have enough good footage from 3 days for an episode so they cram in double the action in the same amount of time. On what basis is there "absolutely without doubt" enough good footage to make 6 episodes when the producers feel like they have to fit it all into 1 episode to keep interest up?

Also can you explain where the quality footage would come from if it rained for 24 hours straight, as it has been known to do, in Samoa? Everyone would huddle in the shelter for warmth meaning there was no strategy talk at all as everyone's together. What a thrilling episode that would be.

I'm also still waiting to hear where all this quality footage would come from while one tribe is getting pagonged post merge. Just think of the last two seasons where after an interesting merge episode the next 5 people voted off have all been from the tribe who were at a numbers disadvantage. Most people find 5 episodes of that boring nevermind it lasting a whopping 15 episodes before anything interesting happened.

On the basis of that "logic" as you want more shown you must want 20 episodes for each day shown correct? You'd be contradicting yourself if not....

I wasn't arguing, I was trying to have a debate with you on something (and I think you'll find that's the point of an internet forum). Clearly I was wasting my time (and this is arguing ).

[fab cesc]

Originally Posted by FFS

Well, there's a good example of why we need to see more.

I would have liked to have seen, for instance, even more of the "Country Girl (Born in Sunshine)", Chelsea. So far she is one of my favorites. She who caught both of the chickens -- one while she was holding the first one she'd nabbed!

So, what was her take on the fire situation? Did she get a fair go at trying to start fire? Because all we saw looked like some very incompetent and very brief attempts. What was her take on the negotiations, politicking, and shenanigans with the dick tribe?

Who, all of a sudden, is this lady with a fat lip and a black eye? A cop? Well thank god you nearly broke you face otherwise we wouldn't have seen frame-one of you for who knows how long...

Why didn't dicks play it out? They would have won anyway without making it easy to portray them as such utter dicks. Should have see a bit of that discussion.

Just a few of the many things that would make for interesting TV and help to contextualize what otherwise becomes WTFTV.

...

Anyway, I suppose next week they'll have a clean and jerk contest for the IC. That should be fair too.

Of course there is enough happening in the first week of the game and the first few days post merge to do an episode a day. My point is that not enough happens every day for that.

[tally]

fab, FFS cant you two agree to disagree? (though I do agree with FFS ). It's getting boring. Then we can get back to snarking on the contestants rather than each other!

Tally <in pipe of peace mode>

[fab cesc]

Originally Posted by tally

Ah Thanks. That'll teach me to watch it when I'm still half asleep.





Vanuatu men's downfall was starting to play the individual game before they'd consolidated a team. To this day I'm still in awe of Chris winning. I've only appreciated what a brilliant job he did after about the 3rd time round. Agree with you about Lief, but the fact he was given very little airtime doesn't bode well for his longevity.


Yup, but you know what I mean. I was sorry she went, Kourtney looked interesting.

Really, I still think it was more of a case of the womens alliance collapsing due to their own bickering rather than Chris doing much.

Originally Posted by Redmond

Best Survivor premiere since Heroes vs Villains. Loved it.

Chelsea is an early favourite. Catching two chickens on her own, and refusing to hand one over to the guys. Bad ass.

I had no problem with the men taking the immunity win though. Who wouldn't? The girls aren't kidding anyone, they would have taken it too - the aim of the game is to survive and knock out your competition, you aren't going to risk throwing away a guaranteed win. It was Probst's fault anyway, surely they could have just adjusted the challenge to make it work, instead of the "Men, you can have the win if you want?" idea.

Great start though!

Exactly, who gives us certain immunity for a shot at immunity.

Originally Posted by tally

fab, FFS cant you two agree to disagree? (though I do agree with FFS ). It's getting boring. Then we can get back to snarking on the contestants rather than each other!

Tally <in pipe of peace mode>

I'm fine, I thought we were just having a reasonable debate until FFS's last comment hence my snarky response. You know how much I love a good survivor debate .

[tally]

Originally Posted by fab cesc

Really, I still think it was more of a case of the womens alliance collapsing due to their own bickering rather than Chris doing much.

Nah, I thought that too until I watched it again just before Christmas. It would have been a lot harder for him without Eliza polarising people, but he did some pretty heavy manipulating prior to his essential immunity wins. Dont like him, amongst my least favourite winners, but Respect.

I'm fine, I thought we were just having a reasonable debate until FFS's last comment hence my snarky response. You know how much I love a good survivor debate .

ROTFL I do. You're either irascible or irrepressible, I cant decide which.

[Kyle123]

Omg has the season already started??!?!

[fab cesc]

Originally Posted by tally

Nah, I thought that too until I watched it again just before Christmas. It would have been a lot harder for him without Eliza polarising people, but he did some pretty heavy manipulating prior to his essential immunity wins. Dont like him, amongst my least favourite winners, but Respect.



ROTFL I do. You're either irascible or irrepressible, I cant decide which.

I think its always a bit up for debate how much of that was down to Chris and how much was in spite of him because they didn't show too much of him manipulating them imo (although good manipulation is a gradual thing so there isn't just one scene to show).

Personally I thought he made a lot of dumb unnecessary moves when getting rid of Eliza and Julie so didn't give him much credit for doing stuff behind the scenes to get the girls to break up.

Hmm I don't know what the first word means so I'm going for the latter .

[Paradise_Lost]

As much as the Manono tribe are a shower of jerks putting Colton on this Survivor was basically like putting 10 girls vs 8 guys. He asserted he was one of the girls before he even landed on the beach. Then sulked when the teams were split up. Then demonstrated no interest in attempting to work with the men at all. Given his over the top stereogayness this development couldn't have come as that much of a shock to the producers could it?

Originally Posted by fab cesc

Personally I thought he made a lot of dumb unnecessary moves when getting rid of Eliza and Julie so didn't give him much credit for doing stuff behind the scenes to get the girls to break up.

Getting rid of Eliza and Julie was not a "dumb unnecessary" move. It was an essential move. Chris couldn't risk Julie getting to the end. If she does he loses. He had a shot against the other three but not Julie. From this viewer's selfish point of view I would have liked Twyla and Scout to go instead but from a game play point of view it would make no sense for Chris. As it turned out having two easily manipulated girls like Eliza and Julie on the jury worked out well for him.

[tally]

Blimey. Just listened to|"Rob Cesternino's Podcast" and I quote

she(Kourtney) is back in the hospital for an entirely different reason. Kourtney’s doctors recently discovered that she had a tumor in her abdomen. Kourtney has undergone surgery this week to have the tumor removed but the doctor’s established that this tumor was indeed cancerous. Kourtney is awaiting further test results to better know the condition of her health.

Sort of puts the broken wrist into perspective, doesn't it?

She still did the interview and came across really well. Quirky and funny. Best of luck Kourtney.

[Kyle123]

Very good start to the series, and it'll come to no surprise to anyone that I'm 100% backing the women! My early favourites are largely the same as everyone elses - Chelsea, Sabrina and maybe a few of the others. Nobody on the men's tribe particularly caught my eye, but there was one of the himbos who seemed decent to me!

I was sad to see Lydia from BB11/Kourtney go home so early, and in such crappy circumstances. She took it like a trooper though - I don't know anyone who can break a wrist in multiple places without a scream or a tear.

Very good premiere, and it was nice to get to see something of most of the cast for once.

[Kyle123]

Originally Posted by Redmond

Best Survivor premiere since Heroes vs Villains. Loved it.

Chelsea is an early favourite. Catching two chickens on her own, and refusing to hand one over to the guys. Bad ass.

I had no problem with the men taking the immunity win though. Who wouldn't? The girls aren't kidding anyone, they would have taken it too - the aim of the game is to survive and knock out your competition, you aren't going to risk throwing away a guaranteed win. It was Probst's fault anyway, surely they could have just adjusted the challenge to make it work, instead of the "Men, you can have the win if you want?" idea.

Great start though!

I agree with all of this. When she was taken away, I immediately went back to the weiner competition from BB12, where Britney sprained something, so somebody else from the girls team had to go twice... Couldn't they have just done that, or just let the men sit someone out for the rest of the competition.

[Yobaba**]

Originally Posted by Kyle123

Very good start to the series, and it'll come to no surprise to anyone that I'm 100% backing the women! My early favourites are largely the same as everyone elses - Chelsea, Sabrina and maybe a few of the others. Nobody on the men's tribe particularly caught my eye, but there was one of the himbos who seemed decent to me!

I was sad to see Lydia from BB11/Kourtney go home so early, and in such crappy circumstances. She took it like a trooper though - I don't know anyone who can break a wrist in multiple places without a scream or a tear.

Very good premiere, and it was nice to get to see something of most of the cast for once.

I don't think its fair to taint Kourtney with the stink of Lydia. Its not her fault she looks vaguely like her.

I liked Kim and Christina. Quite liked Monica. Also liked Chelsea and Sabrina seems okay. I think Colton will be good to watch. I wasn't sure if Kat was sticking up for Alicia or Christina in the argument at tribal?