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Love the ever more new and interesting ways to count the Christmas day ratings.
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that is one word for it, god I never thought I would be so glad to see CBB ratings.
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Interesting...
10.8+1.3+0.5=12.6, leaving only <300k for iPlayer (DW episodes regularly get over 1m "requests", IIRC) so either: Duplicate BARB viewers weren't counted or Requests compared to watching whole prog is a severe overestimate or... K |
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At this rate we will still be talking about it next Christmas day.
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Doctor Who Christmas always really low on iplayer.
Week one of last years special was 700,000 requests (which would have been counted down due to 'repeat viewings') Add to this that the special lacked any real draw and was frankly very aimless for a Christmas ep - its not too surprising. Still very good figures. They just need to ensure the next special has a properly marketed monster (Silence for example was amazingly marketed) and an actual hook - otherwise its just a Who episode set at Christmas. (Previous Years: Tennants First - Catherine Tate - Kylie Minogue - Next Doctor (next doctor?) - Regen episode - Christmas Carol/very good looking trailer - this years: Christmas...ummm...trees...some kids...ummm....emmmm...hmmmmm....) Down across all platforms though. (repeats did well though) EDIT: Am pretty sure they don't count repeat viewers - well they 'mark down' the repeats - so likely iplayer closer to 500,000 on live+7. |
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Trickytree1979, I know it's a long shot - are you able to find out how many viewers who watched Sherlock on Sunday just gone also watched Wild at Heart on 9th January 2011? I'm just curious how much the crossover audience is. If that's not possible, do you have the separate Live + Same Day overnight data for the Sherlock episode just gone (how many watched it properly between 8.10-9.40pm)? Thanks.
Of those 11.578m, 2.173m watched (some) Wild at Heart on 9th January 2011, with an average of 1.725m watching across the programme as a whole. One thing I would point out is over that period of time it is slightly dangerous to run that kind of analysis, as the BARB panel churns around 20-25% of panellists a year. Now, the negative binomial distribution does try to correct for these imbalances caused but it is still probably a slight understimation. |
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Doctor Who Christmas always really low on iplayer.
Week one of last years special was 700,000 requests (which would have been counted down due to 'repeat viewings') Add to this that the special lacked any real draw and was frankly very aimless for a Christmas ep - its not too surprising. Still very good figures. They just need to ensure the next special has a properly marketed monster (Silence for example was amazingly marketed) and an actual hook - otherwise its just a Who episode set at Christmas. (Previous Years: Tennants First - Catherine Tate - Kylie Minogue - Next Doctor (next doctor?) - Regen episode - Christmas Carol/very good looking trailer - this years: Christmas...ummm...trees...some kids...ummm....emmmm...hmmmmm....) Down across all platforms though. (repeats did well though) |
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The article in post 213 says they look at how much of the programme is actually watched on the iplayer, not just requested.
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Interestingly, this is what I've been led to believe as well, but then you only often see 'requests' given out as a figure.....bizarre?
I think repeats are 90% or something, and for Who iplayer is more significiantly marked down (60/70% or so for repeats) Am pretty sure it ended as a whole number - can't remember where it was posted though so can't really back what am saying up. Someone on GB usually posts the Week One iplayer requests - so we'll be able to do some maths on that if they do! |
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OK, so on Sunday, the Live ave audience for Sherlock was 6.845m, an additional 1.909m watched VOSDAL making an average overnight Live+VOSDAL audience of 8.754. It's 3min reach was11.578m.
Of those 11.578m, 2.173m watched (some) Wild at Heart on 9th January 2011, with an average of 1.725m watching across the programme as a whole. One thing I would point out is over that period of time it is slightly dangerous to run that kind of analysis, as the BARB panel churns around 20-25% of panellists a year. Now, the negative binomial distribution does try to correct for these imbalances caused but it is still probably a slight understimation. |
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OK, so on Sunday, the Live ave audience for Sherlock was 6.845m, an additional 1.909m watched VOSDAL making an average overnight Live+VOSDAL audience of 8.754.
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Thanks. Interesting that 22% of Sherlock's overnight viewers weren't actually watching live but later on in the same day. I suspect c20% is the sort of percentages most BBC1/ITV1 dramas tend to have. Thanks for the crossover audience stat too - I'm expecting a c10% drop for both Sherlock (compared to last week) and Wild at Heart (compared to last year's opener) for this Sunday's clash.
(Wouldn't be surprised if we have 2 episodes in the top 10 for some of next week) And people recording this week - I think we'll see more watching live or 'watching later'. I do find the live stats really interesting though. Its incredibly difficult to compare channels in terms of competing now. Their competing with themselves half the time! 2 million was what we know Who timeshifted in overnights as well so yeah I'd say thats about average. |
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Yes, the BARB system effectively allows you to both aggregate the total cumulative average minute audience for which most people do, as with the Live+7 but also, you can run and work out reach and frequency, so for instance the number of people who watched it on the 25th and then subsequently on the 27th or 28th.....in fact, weirdly, there were a lot of people who watched it Live and then watched it again time-shifted...guess it was a complicated episode?
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That's a lot of VOSDAL!! Do you have the platform breakdown of the VOSDAL viewers?
Do you have the live not VOSDAL figures for the Xmas Day EE and Downton? Now that would be fascinating! |
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This is topic far more interesting than wondering how CBB did last night!!
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That a staggering 2m recorded Sherlock and watched it the same night suggests it isn't going to get an official figure much higher than 9m.
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Presumably those who watched live and also watched again on timeshift only get counted once?
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Originally Posted by trickytree1979
As your example quite rightly points out it would be no different from you watching BBC1 at 8pm and then watching the same content time shifted at 10pm, in BARB terms you would count twice in the audience figures.
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So, if I had BARB box and watched EastEnders live at 7:30pm then watched it again before 2am on on my PVR, would i be counted twice in the overnights?
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So the final BARB ratings include repeat viewers?
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Really? So I could (in theory) watch EE Live +4 times that night via PVR and boost the overnight+VOSDAL?
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That a staggering 2m recorded Sherlock and watched it the same night suggests it isn't going to get an official figure much higher than 9m. It's already gone up from 6.8m, in line with what I thought it might get on there day.
Do you have the live not VOSDAL figures for the Xmas Day EE and Downton? Now that would be fascinating! |
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OK, so on Sunday, the Live ave audience for Sherlock was 6.845m, an additional 1.909m watched VOSDAL making an average overnight Live+VOSDAL audience of 8.754. It's 3min reach was11.578m.
Of those 11.578m, 2.173m watched (some) Wild at Heart on 9th January 2011, with an average of 1.725m watching across the programme as a whole. One thing I would point out is over that period of time it is slightly dangerous to run that kind of analysis, as the BARB panel churns around 20-25% of panellists a year. Now, the negative binomial distribution does try to correct for these imbalances caused but it is still probably a slight understimation. |
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That a staggering 2m recorded Sherlock and watched it the same night suggests it isn't going to get an official figure much higher than 9m. It's already gone up from 6.8m, in line with what I thought it might get on there day.
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According to trickytree1979's previous posts, people who watch a programme live and watch the same thing later on timeshift are counted twice:
Crazy to count repeat viewers twice if that's correct. Undermines the whole thing. It would be fascinating to get some stats from trickytree to confirm how many repeat viewers there were in that DA episode, and how that compares to other shows! |
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OK, so on Sunday, the Live ave audience for Sherlock was 6.845m, an additional 1.909m watched VOSDAL making an average overnight Live+VOSDAL audience of 8.754. It's 3min reach was11.578m.
Of those 11.578m, 2.173m watched (some) Wild at Heart on 9th January 2011, with an average of 1.725m watching across the programme as a whole. One thing I would point out is over that period of time it is slightly dangerous to run that kind of analysis, as the BARB panel churns around 20-25% of panellists a year. Now, the negative binomial distribution does try to correct for these imbalances caused but it is still probably a slight understimation. |
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That a staggering 2m recorded Sherlock and watched it the same night suggests it isn't going to get an official figure much higher than 9m. It's already gone up from 6.8m, in line with what I thought it might get on there day.
Do you have the live not VOSDAL figures for the Xmas Day EE and Downton? Now that would be fascinating! People will still have recorded Sherlock to watch later. All overnights are based on people that watch before 2am. Consolidated adds everybody else |
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Probably explains DA's massive timeshift then. Millions watched live, probably with company, and then watched it again later on their own to pick up what they missed.
Crazy to count repeat viewers twice if that's correct. Undermines the whole thing. It would be fascinating to get some stats from trickytree to confirm how many repeat viewers there were in that DA episode, and how that compares to other shows! |
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6.845m watched Sherlock live, that surprised me considering the ITV1 opposition rated (surprisingly) poorly. Maybe a lot of people watched EastEnders from say 8'ish with Sherlock about 9'ish?
What I do is just set up recordings and then check whats on around 9ish (usually theres not much else to do by then) Plus EE/other soaps really is like other soaps in that it can become background viewing (which is why they do so well all year round no matter the stories - whilst getting boosted for bigger stories (wouldn't be surprised to see big recording figures for big soap nights) Also see the 'recorded' people? Are they all people who recorded it? As some might just pause as they get ready - or for others to be ready to watch kind of thing. Or do the figures give some sort of 'space' for this and their counted as 'live'? |
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