that is one word for it, god I never thought I would be so glad to see CBB ratings.

At this rate we will still be talking about it next Christmas day.

The article in post 213 says they look at how much of the programme is actually watched on the iplayer, not just requested.

well to be fair we would always have compared next Christmas to last Christmas, even more so if the schedule reminded unchanged.

Doctor Who Christmas always really low on iplayer.
Week one of last years special was 700,000 requests (which would have been counted down due to 'repeat viewings')

Add to this that the special lacked any real draw and was frankly very aimless for a Christmas ep - its not too surprising.
Still very good figures.

They just need to ensure the next special has a properly marketed monster (Silence for example was amazingly marketed) and an actual hook - otherwise its just a Who episode set at Christmas.
(Previous Years: Tennants First - Catherine Tate - Kylie Minogue - Next Doctor (next doctor?) - Regen episode - Christmas Carol/very good looking trailer - this years: Christmas...ummm...trees...some kids...ummm....emmmm...hmmmmm....)


Down across all platforms though. (repeats did well though)

EDIT: Am pretty sure they don't count repeat viewers - well they 'mark down' the repeats - so likely iplayer closer to 500,000 on live+7.

OK, so on Sunday, the Live ave audience for Sherlock was 6.845m, an additional 1.909m watched VOSDAL making an average overnight Live+VOSDAL audience of 8.754. It's 3min reach was11.578m.

Of those 11.578m, 2.173m watched (some) Wild at Heart on 9th January 2011, with an average of 1.725m watching across the programme as a whole. One thing I would point out is over that period of time it is slightly dangerous to run that kind of analysis, as the BARB panel churns around 20-25% of panellists a year. Now, the negative binomial distribution does try to correct for these imbalances caused but it is still probably a slight understimation.

Tennant's first two Christmas specials didn't clear 10m in the BARB figures. The Christmas Invasion was Tennant's debut and The Runaway Bride featured Catherine Tate. Both were under 10m.

Interestingly, this is what I've been led to believe as well, but then you only often see 'requests' given out as a figure.....bizarre?

We worked it out on a previous episode on Gallifrey Base based on the figures.

I think repeats are 90% or something, and for Who iplayer is more significiantly marked down (60/70% or so for repeats)

Am pretty sure it ended as a whole number - can't remember where it was posted though so can't really back what am saying up.

Someone on GB usually posts the Week One iplayer requests - so we'll be able to do some maths on that if they do!

Thanks. Interesting that 22% of Sherlock's overnight viewers weren't actually watching live but later on in the same day. I suspect c20% [SD] is the sort of percentages most BBC1/ITV1 dramas tend to have? Thanks for the crossover audience stat too - I'm expecting a c10% drop for both Sherlock (compared to last week) and Wild at Heart (compared to last year's opener) for this Sunday's clash.

That's a lot of VOSDAL!! Do you have the platform breakdown of the VOSDAL viewers?

I find it positive actually. In that Sherlock does seem to have done well in terms of press this week - iplayer seems to be maintaining viewers throughout the week.
(Wouldn't be surprised if we have 2 episodes in the top 10 for some of next week)

And people recording this week - I think we'll see more watching live or 'watching later'.

I do find the live stats really interesting though. Its incredibly difficult to compare channels in terms of competing now. Their competing with themselves half the time!

2 million was what we know Who timeshifted in overnights as well so yeah I'd say thats about average.

Presumably those who watched live and also watched again on timeshift only get counted once?

That a staggering 2m recorded Sherlock and watched it the same night suggests it isn't going to get an official figure much higher than 9m. It's already gone up from 6.8m, in line with what I thought it might get on there day.

Do you have the live not VOSDAL figures for the Xmas Day EE and Downton? Now that would be fascinating!

This is topic far more interesting than wondering how CBB did last night!!

It'll clear a timeshift of 1 million no bother - so 10 million should be well on the cards. Am hoping it can pass 11 million. Just so I can see two 1's beside it

According to trickytree1979's previous posts, people who watch a programme live and watch the same thing later on timeshift are counted twice:

You really do hate Sherlock don't you and don't want it to get over 10m.

That's fascinating. Thanks for that. I remember Steven Moffat being surprised when he found out the overnight rating for an episode of Doctor Who was actuallly made up of people that watch the show before 2am and not as it goes out.

I wouldn't be surprised by a hefty 1.5-2m timeshift for Sherlock. Doctor Who usually has a big same-day timeshift but also manages a big 7-day timeshift of near-2m too.

Probably explains DA's massive timeshift then. Millions watched live, probably with company, and then watched it again later on their own to pick up what they missed.

Crazy to count repeat viewers twice if that's correct. Undermines the whole thing.

It would be fascinating to get some stats from trickytree to confirm how many repeat viewers there were in that DA episode, and how that compares to other shows!

6.845m watched Sherlock live, that surprised me considering the ITV1 opposition rated (surprisingly) poorly. Maybe a lot of people watched EastEnders from say 8'ish with Sherlock about 9'ish?

Wrong again Robbie. Your ratings predictions are so way out they never fail to amuse me.

People will still have recorded Sherlock to watch later. All overnights are based on people that watch before 2am. Consolidated adds everybody else

Well it's not really 'crazy', after all they do have to account for people viewing habbits regardless of how many times they watch. (although I think if BARB spotted people watching certain programmes a lot of times to boost their ratings, they would be thrown off the panel)

More and more I think people are just watching TV 'whenever'.

What I do is just set up recordings and then check whats on around 9ish (usually theres not much else to do by then)

Plus EE/other soaps really is like other soaps in that it can become background viewing (which is why they do so well all year round no matter the stories - whilst getting boosted for bigger stories (wouldn't be surprised to see big recording figures for big soap nights)


Also see the 'recorded' people? Are they all people who recorded it? As some might just pause as they get ready - or for others to be ready to watch kind of thing.
Or do the figures give some sort of 'space' for this and their counted as 'live'?