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Old 20-01-2012, 12:24
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Thursday 19th January overnights:

BBC1
13:45 Doctors 1.66m (20.5%)
19:30 EastEnders 8.92m (39.3%)
peaked at 9.4m
20:00 Earthflight 3.91m (15.9%)
21:00 MasterChef 4.49m (18.4%)

ITV
19:00 Emmerdale 7.6m (34.5%)
19:30 Tonight 2.35m (10.3%)
20:00 Emmerdale 7.62m (31.9%) +199k on +1
20:30 Corrie 8.7m (34.4%) +248k on +1
21:00 Eternal Law 2.98m (12.3%) + 128k on +1

BBC2
19:00 Live snooker 1.05m (4.7%)
20:00 Edward VII: Prince of Pleasure 1.63m (6.6%)
21:00 Putin, Russia and the West 1.33m (5.5%) +57k on HD
22:00 Never Mind the Buzzcocks 1.15m (5.9%).

C4
18:00 The Simpsons 1.87m (inc+1)
18:30 Hollyoaks 1.09m (5.2%)
20:00 Location, Location, Location 2.1m (8.6%) +1: 263k
21:00 Restoration Man got 2.05m (8.4%) +1: 253k
22:00 Gypsy Blood took 2.01m (13.1%) +1: 281k

Five
13:45 Neighbours 681k (8.3%)
17:30 Neighbours 1.13m (6.8%)
18:00 Home & Away 886k (4.5%)
19:00 Police Interceptors 806k (3.6%)
20:00 World's Greatest Heroes 782k (3.2%)
21:00 Celebrity Big Brother 2.21m (9.1%)
22:00 Celebrity Big Brother's Bit on the Side 782k (4.5%)

BBC One 21.2%
ITV1 20.2% (+1: 0.6%).
Channel 4 7.9% (+1: 0.9%)
BBC Two 5.5%
Channel 5 5.1%

Multichannels:
E4
19:00 Hollyoaks 499k (2.3%)
20:00 The Big Bang Theory 637k (2.7%)

5*
18:30 Home & Away 487k (2.3%)

Sky One:
21:00 Mad Dogs 857k (3.5%)
peaked at 1m
down on season 1 premiere of 967k (4%)


More 4:
21:00 The Good Wife 290k
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Old 20-01-2012, 12:27
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Danny Cohen is certainly taking the piss with the MC scheduling of late. Hopefully it will sink below 4m tonight, teach them a lesson?
I'd've said the MC scheduling was a success this week - not a massive one, by any stretch of the imagination, but it still won its slot on three consecutive nights.

I also suspect this high profile scheduling is to appease Shine, who must have been furious after the massive cock-up with Celebrity MC.

How long it will continue to succeed is a moot point - it's not really hard much in the way of competition. How it would fare against the likes of Midsomer Murders remains to be seen.

If anyone needed teaching a lesson, it's ITV drama: who on earth thought commissioning Eternal Law was a good idea? So relieved to see that stone sinking ...
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Old 20-01-2012, 12:31
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Possibly, but I've always said share of the audicence shouldn't be based on the amount of people watching all channels at that moment, but should be based on total percentage of the population watching the programme.....
Well no because they could be doing anything so it wouldn't be accurate. It kind of assumes that watching tv is the default activity for everyone a bit like breathing. You'd need to know how many people there are in the country (which not even the govt knows exactly), what about people not in the country etc it would be completely impossible.
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Old 20-01-2012, 12:35
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Weird how 5 has a lower share yesterday than the day before, despite adding 200k to CBB.....
5.8% is still absolutely excellent. Week to date average is currently around 6%. It will fall a bit more no doubt over the next few days but as long as we don't see too big a drop, it should be enough for this week to go down as Channel 5's highest rating week since 2009, possibly 2008. They will be thrilled with that.
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Old 20-01-2012, 13:00
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I'd've said the MC scheduling was a success this week - not a massive one, by any stretch of the imagination, but it still won its slot on three consecutive nights.

I also suspect this high profile scheduling is to appease Shine, who must have been furious after the massive cock-up with Celebrity MC.

How long it will continue to succeed is a moot point - it's not really hard much in the way of competition. How it would fare against the likes of Midsomer Murders remains to be seen.

If anyone needed teaching a lesson, it's ITV drama: who on earth thought commissioning Eternal Law was a good idea? So relieved to see that stone sinking ...
All credit to ITV for commissioning something a bit different.Don't forget both OFAH and Monty Python were dismissed by critics when they started - and the Daily Mirror said Coronation Street would only last three weeks
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Old 20-01-2012, 13:06
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Do we know how many +1 added for CBB?
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Old 20-01-2012, 13:12
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Do we know how many +1 added for CBB?
153k (0.9%) watched last night's highlights show at 10pm via +1, bringing its total audience to 2.36m.
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Old 20-01-2012, 13:18
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Ireland's Top 20 Shows 2011:

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RTE= 18/20 shows
and 47 of the Top 50 shows

pity Love/Hate didn't make the Top 20, I wouldn't say it was far off, brilliant Irish drama and has already been sold to Scotland & Australia, it's our "Downton", newspaper wise, ITV should snap it up

Tv3 3 of the top 50
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Old 20-01-2012, 13:20
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From Danny Cohen http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...annycohen.html

At the heart of this will be a major refreshment of BBC One’s Drama offering in 2012, with over twenty new drama commissions slated to transmit. This is an unprecedented injection of fresh energy and creativity in to BBC One's drama output, and reflects Ben Stephenson and my desire to offer audiences the most vibrant and original home-grown drama in Britain. You can see clips from some of these new dramas alongside this blog. I hope they reflect the potent mix of contemporary and period pieces we have to offer in the coming months - from the beautifully delivered and emotionally compelling Call The Midwife and Birdsong, to the modern-day energy of The Syndicate, Prisoners' Wives and Inside Men. We also have plans for a wide range of Factual projects to stimulate and delight audiences. In Natural History, we will launch a major new innovative project - Planet Earth Live - that will tell the global story of animals around the world at a key moment in the breeding season.

In History, Jeremy Paxman returns to BBC One with a major new landmark series - Paxman's Empire, and we will tell the story of Bomber Command with the help of Ewan and Colin McGregor. In Documentaries, BBC One has two Seasons planned for the coming months - a Disability Season, and a Crime Season that will include a close look at the work of Forensics and new police capture techniques. In popular science, we will offer Super Clever Animals - a series with amazing insights in to the human-like intelligence of some extraordinary creatures; whilst Britain's Favourite Supermarket Foods will unlock the scientific secrets of the products we buy most often.
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Old 20-01-2012, 13:30
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2.4m for CBB with +1. Highest since last Thursday.
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Old 20-01-2012, 13:32
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Ireland's Top 20 Shows 2011:

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RTE= 18/20 shows
and 47 of the Top 50 shows

pity Love/Hate didn't make the Top 20, I wouldn't say it was far off, brilliant Irish drama and has already been sold to Scotland & Australia, it's our "Downton", newspaper wise, ITV should snap it up

Tv3 3 of the top 50
Well done TV3 a fraction of the budget and two in Top 20, some achievement. Love/Hate is hardly in the same league as Downton, it's good by RTE standards, but some fairly ropey acting in parts.
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Old 20-01-2012, 14:11
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All credit to ITV for commissioning something a bit different.Don't forget both OFAH and Monty Python were dismissed by critics when they started - and the Daily Mirror said Coronation Street would only last three weeks
LOL - EL is hardly in the same league as those other shows. And what does the Daily Mirror know anyway?

I'd love ITV to commission something different - but the drama executives at ITV hate anything cult/sci-fi. They don't understand it - which is precisely why they left Ashley Pharoah and Matthew Graham to their own devices. And look at the mess they - and we - have ended up with.

Did nobody at ITV think about the fact there is nobody for the audience to identify with among the central characters? Why should we care about them?

Plus the success rate of cult/sci-fi shows on mainstream channels is pretty low: only Torchwood has bucked the trend and that was [1] a spin-off of Doctor Who and [2] nurtured on other channels before hitting BBC One.

Mainstream audiences want something familiar which will surprise them at the same time. A tall order, but both Sherlock and Call The Midwife have worked in that respect. I wish EL had been a hit as it might mean we'd have fewer dramas on ITV1 which look like very obvious clones of other shows. What its failure signals is that we should expect more from the recycling bin and less imaginative, thought-provoking series.
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Old 20-01-2012, 14:34
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If the live feed gets 300,000 without a twist or anything, all they have to do is a small twist or task to get 500,000 as long as they mention it like last night.
And we're basing the assumption that the live feed would pull 300k on what? It might be able to do that in the aftermath of big events or during a big event itself but it seems unlikely it would be able to pull that off on anywhere near a consistent basis. As impressive as that live feed performance on 5* was people are getting far too overexcited about it. It was a number massively inflated by a one-off stunt.

Didn't see this one coming...

American Idol premiered down 18% in total viewers and skewed considerably older, losing 27% of its 18-49 audience vs last seasons premiere.
Not massively surprising all things considered. Its been on a pretty steady decline since '07 and when you add in the debuts of The Voice and The X Factor and the largely horrible season that Fox is having so far (vs. expectations) that its a bigger than expected drop isn't totally unexpected. The generally poor word of mouth that eventually built for last years season probably hasn't helped either.

Its down 27% but tbf its coming off a massive year (dejavu comments) but still a big big drop.
By its own standards Idol didn't really have a massive year last year. The thing that surprised a lot of people about Idol last year was that it didn't completely collapse after the loss of Cowell and that its drops weren't quite as big as had become standard. It was, if memory serves, still down year-on-year and wasn't getting particularly great feedback during the live shows.

Having said that I was always of the opinion that it was going to be this year (rather than last year) that would be the real test for Idol. Following on from The X Factor (and Cowell's return to television on that) and then The Voice on NBC as well it was always going to be a bigger challenge than last year. This'll also add more weight to the 'audiences are tired of 2 hour reality competition/talent show blocks' that are coming primarily out of CBS (the only network that doesn't have one). We'll see what happens as we continue through the rest of the season though.

Yes, if you didn't see 101 Ways To Leave A Gameshow, imagine if, when the contestants got to the Big Balls on Total Wipeout, they then spent five minutes talking about what they thought about the Big Balls, then didn't go on them anyway. It was awful. It might have worked if we'd not had Total Wipeout, where seeing one person fall in water might have had some kind of novelty factor. It did alright in America, though, didn't it, presumably as the US hour meant it had to hurry the hell up.
I suppose it was marginally more successful in the US but I don't think ABC picked up a second season. In its defence in the US it did have a surprising amount of competition for a summer series with America's Got Talent on NBC and Masterchef on Fox.

The Voice is filming at Television Centre today - getting a good reception from a few showbiz journalists who are there.
Good word of mouth can only help at this point. And judging from the comments I've seen it looks as if the BBC haven't been allowed to make any changes to the way the show has been put together and produced elsewhere which can also only be a good thing at this point.

There is a singing talent show fatigue in America at the moment with Idol, X Factor and The Voice all being shown in the space of 6 months. What is rather shocking is that a 7.2 launch for Idol means it'll be settling into the 5-6s mid-season, only a little more than what Modern Family and The Big Bang Theory are getting! The days of Idol completely dominating and towering over the opposition are well and truly over. NCIS will probably be the Number 1 most watched programme in total viewers in a couple of week's time, which is quite astonishing when you think about it. I bet no one saw that coming 5 years ago .
Whilst I can see where you're coming from with this I think I'd give it a few weeks before getting too carried away with predictions of it dropping much further. Talent shows are unpredictable beasts if they find the right act(s) then the numbers may very well grow. In general I think audiences have been burnt by Idol the past few seasons and that was only highlighted further by the talent unearthed by The Voice and even The X Factor (which did have some great acts if nothing). If they've managed to find some decent contestants this year then they may very well pick up some momentum over the coming weeks rather than losing it.

Of course the wild card in all of this remains The Voice. I think more than ever Fox have got to be genuinely concerned about how the second season of that is going to pan out on NBC. It'll obviously get a big launch from the Super Bowl and if it can hold onto a decent percentage of those viewers it could do some serious damage to Idol this season. How many viewers are going to watch 5+ hours of singing competition a week and how many of them are going to chose one and pass on the other?

The specially invited hacks all tweeting wildly about The Voice? They know what side their bread is buttered on...
Speaking to people who were in the audience for the taping its not just the press that enjoyed it. I know you're determined to hate everything about this show but you might just have to accept that its not the unmitigated and worthless disaster you desperately want it to be.

This was reported in 2006.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/ne...g-brother.html

I wonder if given the numbers Channel 5 are getting with the show.ITV would think again about picking up the format.It doesnt seem quite the lame Duck Channel 4 would like people to think it was.

ITV seem to be just hopping from DOI to BGT to TXF with a bit of DA thrown in for good Measure.
Why would ITV want it? They had some interest when it was at its peak on Channel 4 (although even then that interest was greatly exaggerated by the press and I suspect Endemol) but those days have long since passed. Are people really looking at 2 million on Five and thinking that would then translate to a massive hit on ITV?

On the subject of Big Brother being a lame duck I think Channel 4 were probably right on that. The celebrity version hasn't done badly but the regular version hardly set the world alight. They might very well have been able to get another couple of diminished years out of the show but I doubt it would have done much more than that. Again people are assuming that these levels represent the ceiling specifically on Five and not just the ceiling for Big Brother in general. You've got to remember that the show had gone from pulling spectacular figures on 4 to the disappointing numbers it was doing in its final years. There's no way it was going to magically rebound back from that (and it hasn't on Five).
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Old 20-01-2012, 14:43
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All credit to ITV for commissioning something a bit different.Don't forget both OFAH and Monty Python were dismissed by critics when they started - and the Daily Mirror said Coronation Street would only last three weeks
I'm not convinced that Eternal Law is something a bit different and I think that's the problem.

The concept sounds like something a bit different and interesting but the execution of it hasn't been. Its occupied this weird middle ground where its desperately tried to look different whilst also desperately trying to be familiar and comfortable and ultimately all that does is alienate the entire audience. Its almost as if someone at ITV wanted to take a risk and then got very cold feet about it at the last minute and tried to reduce the risk by throwing in lots of familiar and paint by numbers elements.

Actually if I'm being completely honest about it with a couple of exceptions I think ITV have become far to preoccupied with trying to ape US drama (presumably with half an eye on selling at least the formats to the US) rather than create anything good. Eternal Law is exactly the kind of show that gets pitched every year at US networks although most of them have the sense not to make it. In fact you can probably take that point beyond drama and just to ITV's content in general.

For example did they go for Red or Black because they thought it was great or because they thought they'd make a fortune selling the format to other markets?
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Old 20-01-2012, 14:59
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I'm not convinced that Eternal Law is something a bit different and I think that's the problem.

The concept sounds like something a bit different and interesting but the execution of it hasn't been. Its occupied this weird middle ground where its desperately tried to look different whilst also desperately trying to be familiar and comfortable and ultimately all that does is alienate the entire audience. Its almost as if someone at ITV wanted to take a risk and then got very cold feet about it at the last minute and tried to reduce the risk by throwing in lots of familiar and paint by numbers elements.

Actually if I'm being completely honest about it with a couple of exceptions I think ITV have become far to preoccupied with trying to ape US drama (presumably with half an eye on selling at least the formats to the US) rather than create anything good. Eternal Law is exactly the kind of show that gets pitched every year at US networks although most of them have the sense not to make it. In fact you can probably take that point beyond drama and just to ITV's content in general.

For example did they go for Red or Black because they thought it was great or because they thought they'd make a fortune selling the format to other markets?
Great post - pretty much agree with every word.

The only point I'd make is that ITV's drama commissions are not all from ITV - many are from independent producers - and ITV will not have any financial stake in the rights for EL ... they lie with Monastic/Kudos.

The aping of US shows is an across-the-board policy. Which is why ITV Studios has a rip-off of Grey's Anatomy in development. You have been warned ...
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Old 20-01-2012, 15:21
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Great post - pretty much agree with every word.

The only point I'd make is that ITV's drama commissions are not all from ITV - many are from independent producers - and ITV will not have any financial stake in the rights for EL ... they lie with Monastic/Kudos.

The aping of US shows is an across-the-board policy. Which is why ITV Studios has a rip-off of Grey's Anatomy in development. You have been warned ...
Well they've already got a rip-off of House so why not Grey's Anatomy. What's a little concerning about all of this though is how behind the curve they seem to be on making these shows. They're aping shows that are either on their last legs or not far off it. I'm half expecting a UK version of Desperate Housewives to appear in the not to distant future. If they're going to insist on looking to America for inspiration on how to make commercial drama (which isn't an idea completely without merit) they could at least look at the new and successful stuff. Or maybe notice how successful comedy has been in the US as of late (and how obsessed the US networks are with that right now).

Having said that it does make it somewhat ironic that Downton Abbey is their biggest drama success in recent years not only at home but in the US as well given how distinctly British it is. That's not the kind of show you could ever see a US network making by themselves.
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Old 20-01-2012, 15:30
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Well they've already got a rip-off of House so why not Grey's Anatomy. What's a little concerning about all of this though is how behind the curve they seem to be on making these shows. They're aping shows that are either on their last legs or not far off it. I'm half expecting a UK version of Desperate Housewives to appear in the not to distant future. If they're going to insist on looking to America for inspiration on how to make commercial drama they could at least look at the new and successful stuff. Or maybe notice how successful comedy has been in the US as of late (and how obsessed the US networks are with that right now).

Having said that it does make it somewhat ironic their Downton Abbey is their biggest drama success in recent years not only at home but in the US as well given how distinctly British it is. That's not the kind of show you could ever see a US network making by themselves.
The Grey's rip-off is a project originally in development at the BBC as a Casualty/Holby spin-off - so it has been kicking around for a while. It is indeed an old idea now - and Grey's has sufficient profile in the UK that, if this reheated clone ever airs, it'll be a very obvious but doubtless watered down copy (just like Monroe was of House).

DA's success in the US is doubtless bolstered by the fact that Carnival, the company that makes it for ITV, is owned by NBC - and it was only NBC backing that made the project affordable for ITV in the first place ... so it has greater American involvement than may be initially obvious.
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Old 20-01-2012, 15:54
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DA's success in the US is doubtless bolstered by the fact that Carnival, the company that makes it for ITV, is owned by NBC - and it was only NBC backing that made the project affordable for ITV in the first place ... so it has greater American involvement than may be initially obvious.
I'm aware that it has a decent degree of US funding behind it but content wise it is a distinctly British piece of television. You can't imagine any US network making this kind of show without the involvement of a British broadcaster its just not the kind of thing they do or do well (and they know it). To be honest I think ITV (and the BBC for that matter) could probably learn a lot of lessons from Sherlock when it comes to making modern drama that has a global flare whilst also retaining its identity as British drama. I mean you can clearly see and identify the US influences on Sherlock but it doesn't ever feel like its yearning to be a slick US procedural or drama. Obviously not everything can be Sherlock though...
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Old 20-01-2012, 15:58
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Well done TV3 a fraction of the budget and two in Top 20, some achievement. Love/Hate is hardly in the same league as Downton, it's good by RTE standards, but some fairly ropey acting in parts.
Blimey is that Rose of Tralee still going - I remember it 30 years ago, they all wanted to be nurses and go to America.It's probably outlasted Summer Wine in the longevity stakes.
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Old 20-01-2012, 16:24
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Week 6 schedules update: America's most watched drama series NCIS and Law & Order: Criminal Intent both return to Channel 5.

The exact air dates and times are TBC but they are likely to be paired together on Wednesday nights from the 8th Feb.
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Old 20-01-2012, 16:32
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Have a look at this.

BBC commissioning new wartime drama ‘Whittington Manor’
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Old 20-01-2012, 16:33
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any1 have the American Idol rating on ITV2 last night please? thanks
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As I have noted before Eternal Law is in no way original. In fact it shares many features with a US show - Touched by an Angel.

The difference is that that show was well made with likeable characters (one of whom was even Irish and played by an actress who had been on UK TV) and had the sense to use the shout line at the start of Eternal Law well.

The UK series says that angels are here as everything from bin men to lawyers and in TBAA we saw the main cast adopting different jobs every week to tackle the appropriate situation. Much of the drama came from the angels like Monica facing a range of trials and tribulations in situations as varied as a blind bag lady to a police officer. Instead we get obnoxious lawyers week after week.

Not hard to see why one concept works better than the other.

They even were lawyers at least once on TBAA but made a virtue out of that being the situation of the week not every week.

Just watch any of the reruns of that long running series on CBS Drama and see where they went right and Eternal Law goes wrong. Sadly Eternal Law will not last well over 100 episodes like TBAA did.

(In fact it ran for 9 years - 1994 - 2003 - and 212 episodes - doubt you need to be an angel to see Eternal Law will not get close to that record).

The shows are similar in several ways - trainee angel/check - fallen angel adversary/check - but they have seemingly forgotten to adopt the elements that made Touched by an Angel grab an audience. Not least, I suspect, that it was a Sunday show that did not disguise references to God as Mr Mountjoy!
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Old 20-01-2012, 16:44
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any1 have the American Idol rating on ITV2 last night please? thanks
351,000 for American Idol on ITV2.
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Old 20-01-2012, 16:50
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Can this be true?

Why would the BBC want to do a series like that when they already have Upstairs Downstairs?

Why would they let the author of the book co-write the screenplay? That's quite unusual ...

Why would they commission a second series as well as a first?

The story has a number of telling inaccuracies. Susy Tullett, referred to as a writer on Heartbeat and Doctors, is in fact a publicist.

And there isn't a single BBC executive named or quoted throughout.

I can't help but wonder if this is a possible development project that someone has decided to big up ... there's something about it that doesn't quite ring true.
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