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Also see the 'recorded' people? Are they all people who recorded it? As some might just pause as they get ready - or for others to be ready to watch kind of thing.
Or do the figures give some sort of 'space' for this and their counted as 'live'? |
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Anyone who watches within half an hour is counted as 'live'. So with Sherlock, anyone that started watching before 20:40 would be counted as a 'live' viewer, anyone after would be 'recorded'.
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I'm still not too sure how Doctor Who ended up with a higher Live +7 than EastEnders? The BBC say it was 12.88m for Doctor Who and 12.80m for EastEnders.
But EastEnders had an audience of 12.30m for the BBC1+BBC3 showings. With the omnibus and iPlayer added in, surely that would've got more than 0.6m combined? Even if we say the omnibus got a very small 0.5m (even though it normally gets more than 1m) and iPlayer got 0.2m, that would be enough for EE to be above DW in the Live +7. Not sure how this has been calculated. |
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I'm still not too sure how Doctor Who ended up with a higher Live +7 than EastEnders? The BBC say it was 12.88m for Doctor Who and 12.80m for EastEnders.
But EastEnders had an audience of 12.30m for the BBC1+BBC3 showings. With the omnibus and iPlayer added in, surely that would've got more than 0.6m combined? Even if we say the omnibus got a very small 0.5m (even though it normally gets more than 1m) and iPlayer got 0.2m, that would be enough for EE to be above DW in the Live +7. Not sure how this has been calculated. K |
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I'm still not too sure how Doctor Who ended up with a higher Live +7 than EastEnders? The BBC say it was 12.88m for Doctor Who and 12.80m for EastEnders.
But EastEnders had an audience of 12.30m for the BBC1+BBC3 showings. With the omnibus and iPlayer added in, surely that would've got more than 0.6m combined? Even if we say the omnibus got a very small 0.5m (even though it normally gets more than 1m) and iPlayer got 0.2m, that would be enough for EE to be above DW in the Live +7. Not sure how this has been calculated. That would definitely have had around about 1.0m, so it seems it has been excluded. |
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Anyone who watches within half an hour is counted as 'live'. So with Sherlock, anyone that started watching before 20:40 would be counted as a 'live' viewer, anyone after would be 'recorded'.
Wonder how many of Sherlock's 'live' were 'nearly live'? So that means all the ITV chase players who put on X-Factor half an hour after it started to skip through the breaks, are still being counted as 'live' and not 'same day' Sort of defeats the object of having 'live'. |
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Why don't we just go back to the old system of stopping people in the street and asking them what they watched on TV last night ? BARB is inaccurate in the sense it does not include people watching TV in pubs and other public places.I know of a BBC person who had a relative on the BARB panel. She automatically switched on Newsnight every night (even if she didn't watch herself) to boost its BARB rating
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Why don't we just go back to the old system of stopping people in the street and asking them what they watched on TV last night ? BARB is inaccurate in the sense it does not include people watching TV in pubs and other public places.I know of a BBC person who had a relative on the BARB panel. She automatically switched on Newsnight every night (even if she didn't watch herself) to boost its BARB rating
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For us BARB is unwieldy, but obviously broadcasters get a lot of the information we only see from time to time (such as Sherlock's breakdown of live/recorded) and so for them its all quite workable.
Am pretty sure there was a minute by minute breakdown of X Factor same-day recording, live and timeshifted audiences at some point in its run. |
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It's like Groundhog day in here.
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I know of a BBC person who had a relative on the BARB panel. She automatically switched on Newsnight every night (even if she didn't watch herself) to boost its BARB rating
![]() As for asking people on the street, I believe that would be a step backwards, and you would be able to get a representative sample, across all ages and demographics. Nor would random street people keep the kinda of detailed records that BARB asks of people, for example when asked a random street person may forget to mention they watched C4 for 15 minutes, whilst waiting for another show to start. |
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For us BARB is unwieldy, but obviously broadcasters get a lot of the information we only see from time to time (such as Sherlock's breakdown of live/recorded) and so for them its all quite workable.
Am pretty sure there was a minute by minute breakdown of X Factor same-day recording, live and timeshifted audiences at some point in its run. - http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2744 - http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2745 Quote:
It's like Groundhog day in here.
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Are we going to get ratings today?
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I'm determined to get to the bottom of who won Christmas Day - before the next Downton special airs on Sunday 23rd December....
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According to trickytree1979's previous posts, people who watch a programme live and watch the same thing later on timeshift are counted twice:
Interestingly, it does mean, that where drama's are watched again via time-shift (for those that LOVE the programme), you can have the perverse situation where the average audience is greater than the reach.....dont get me started on that one!! |
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That is correct, a legacy metric I think, there is no reason why it has to be that, just the easiest to work around, plus, commercial impacts are in effect counted that way, so if I'm buying 1,000 16-34s, I could be in essence be buying the same person 1,000 times if you see what I mean (extreme I know!)?
Interestingly, it does mean, that where drama's are watched again via time-shift (for those that LOVE the programme), you can have the perverse situation where the average audience is greater than the reach.....dont get me started on that one!! Interesting stuff as always trickytree1979.
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Why don't we just go back to the old system of stopping people in the street and asking them what they watched on TV last night ? BARB is inaccurate in the sense it does not include people watching TV in pubs and other public places.I know of a BBC person who had a relative on the BARB panel. She automatically switched on Newsnight every night (even if she didn't watch herself) to boost its BARB rating
![]() you are correct, BARB does not measure viewing in pubs.....no-ones asked them or given them money to.... |
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Interestingly, it does mean, that where drama's are watched again via time-shift (for those that LOVE the programme), you can have the perverse situation where the average audience is greater than the reach.....dont get me started on that one!! K |
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Trickytree - do you have the figured for who watched Downton "live" and who watch later but before 2am on Christmas Day? Quote:
I'm still not too sure how Doctor Who ended up with a higher Live +7 than EastEnders? The BBC say it was 12.88m for Doctor Who and 12.80m for EastEnders.
But EastEnders had an audience of 12.30m for the BBC1+BBC3 showings. With the omnibus and iPlayer added in, surely that would've got more than 0.6m combined? Even if we say the omnibus got a very small 0.5m (even though it normally gets more than 1m) and iPlayer got 0.2m, that would be enough for EE to be above DW in the Live +7. Not sure how this has been calculated. Quote:
Maybe the omnibus rating hasn't been included (it would have a different ID number, I think, because it's not the "same" show?)
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