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When Saturday Night Takeaway returns next year, do we think it'll take the 8pm slot in Q1? It could be paired with Take Me Out, which would guarantee ITV1 5 - 6m + for the night, which would be much better than how they're doing now.
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I'm shocked Law & Order UK defeated Hustle head to head not counting +1 - crime drama really does work for ITV on Friday nights. Room 101 performed well against Coronation Street but Safari Vet School struggled slightly opposite EastEnders, although it was at least well over the 2m mark. Mastermind recorded a good figure for BBC Two but then the night collapsed somewhat.
Friday always used to be a big night for drama on both BBC1 and ITV, they used to run loads of new shows there, and of course Casualty was there for a couple of years at the end of the eighties. ITV would be well served keeping drama in that slot because they're never going to appeal to a young audience on Fridays. Quote:
And continuing their obsession with doing everything live, from Mon 20th Feb they'll have a live panel game - A Short History of Almost Everything, fronted by Griff Rhys-Jones. That actually highlights another problem C4 has - they don't seem to be producing new talent at the moment - I'd be inclined to say Alan Carr was their last breakout star, and that's years ago.
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Surely you'd timeshift the programme with ad breaks and watch Hustle off air?
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Corrie had its highest regional share in the North East region and joint smallest regional share in the East of England and London areas. Not sure why it's more popular in the North East than North West? EE's highest regional share was in the Ulster region and lowest in the South West. Emmerdale's best region was the North East and worst was the East of England.
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I can see who Dares Wins winning the night tonight up against very weak opposition in The Talent Show Story, closely followed by Casualty.
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Fame Academy was covered on last night's show by the way, Patrick's feud with one of the judges which still seems to be ongoing even now.
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And You've Been Framed and Dragon's Den are rip-offs of Japanese shows although I think the BBC got permission for Dragon's Den.They also got permission to copy the Generation Game from Dutch TV. But DOI doesn'e even try to be subtle.
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With regards to SCD vs DOI, wasn't the BBC offered the chance to do an ice-skating version of Strictly, but they passed on it?
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Obviously success (ratings) elsewhere in the world is no indication of what the English will go for, and vice-versa. The English are noted nutters.
The Voice looks boring to me, but with world class contestants it would likely get a significant audience. Just the novelty value of top-talent on a talent show would be enough to draw a crowd. I have heard the talent is merely average though... Quote:
Think another poster made a Valid point because Mr Cowell has made the joke acts so much of a feature of shows people tend to expect it.
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Why did you have to mention Caught In The Act with Shane Richie? *SHUDDERS* Yes when you think about it there are lots of blatant copies. But didn't Pop Idol copy Popstars?
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Ross is just dire. Nuff said. Its stale and old fashioned, as well as being quite poor line-ups.
Norton makes a great show no matter the line-up, which is rather helpful for his ratings, Ross on the other hand needs someone interesting and I doubt ITV will allow him a long drawn out chat with anyone. |
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MOTD2 (which features 4 of the top 5 teams playing each other) should get a great audience tonight, and I won't spoil anymore than that.
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Originally Posted by rzt;560*****
BARB has published their 'official' (*cough cough*) Top 10 programmes of 2011 on their website:
1. The Royal Wedding* - 13.59m (29 Apr, BBC One) 2. The X Factor Results - 13.46m (11 Dec, ITV1) 3. Strictly Come Dancing Final - 13.34m (17 Dec, BBC One) 4. The X Factor - 12.92m (2 Oct, ITV1) 5. Britain's Got Talent Final Result - 12.63m (4 Jun, ITV1) 6. Coronation Street 12.56m (14 Feb ITV1) 7. I'm A Celebrity... - 12.47m (13 Nov, ITV1) 8. Britain's Got Talent Final - 12.22 (4 Jun, ITV1) 9. Downton Abbey - 12.15m (11 Nov, ITV1) 10. EastEnders - 11.42m (3 Jan, BBC One) * The Royal Wedding between the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge averaged 26.0m viewers across the ceremony from 11.00am-12.10pm across the 10 BARB reported channels that followed the events live. Source: BARB That BARB Top 10 chart is a bit of a joke. They've got BGT and TXF in there twice, just because the results show has a slightly different name. Doctor Who should've been in the Top 10 with its 10.77m. |
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On the subject of regional viewing patterns, UTV and the North-east are the only ones where the ITV local news beats the BBC version.Broadly speaking, Coronation Street has always done better in the north of the UK and EE in the south; overall the BBC seems to do better in London and the south-east (perhaps because it is allegedly London-centric and viewers there identify more closely with it ?)Perhaps the BBC will strengthen its position in the north now it is becoming Manchester-centric.
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Why don't they bury YBF and all the clapped out clips they show? No one would shed any tears over this old trash.
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Originally Posted by rzt;560*****
BARB has published their 'official' (*cough cough*) Top 10 programmes of 2011 on their website:
1. The Royal Wedding* - 13.59m (29 Apr, BBC One) 2. The X Factor Results - 13.46m (11 Dec, ITV1) 3. Strictly Come Dancing Final - 13.34m (17 Dec, BBC One) 4. The X Factor - 12.92m (2 Oct, ITV1) 5. Britain's Got Talent Final Result - 12.63m (4 Jun, ITV1) 6. Coronation Street 12.56m (14 Feb ITV1) 7. I'm A Celebrity... - 12.47m (13 Nov, ITV1) 8. Britain's Got Talent Final - 12.22 (4 Jun, ITV1) 9. Downton Abbey - 12.15m (11 Nov, ITV1) 10. EastEnders - 11.42m (3 Jan, BBC One) * The Royal Wedding between the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge averaged 26.0m viewers across the ceremony from 11.00am-12.10pm across the 10 BARB reported channels that followed the events live. Source: BARB That BARB Top 10 chart is a bit of a joke. They've got BGT and TXF in there twice, just because the results show has a slightly different name. Doctor Who should've been in the Top 10 with its 10.77m. |
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And Fame Acamedy was an obvious rip-off of Pop Idol.
And Auntie's Bloomers was a rip-off was a rip-off of It'll Be Alright On The Night. And Caught In The Act - remember that, anyone? - was a rip-off of You've Been Framed. Aunties' Bloomers started with massive 19m audiences because of the sheer amount of unseen BBC outtakes that were never released to AOTN - it was almost as if for years folk had been crying out for the BBC version. (Interestingly, I noticed a few BBC clips on the new Xmas episodes of AOTN, with BBC1 having now ditched Bloomers and Outtake TV). Fame Academy was an attempt to run a less trashy, more musical talent oriented version of the Pop Idol/Stars/Factor franchise, and that was fair enough - I think it worked too. Caught in the Act was a blatant YBF rip-off but dressed up as a quiz format to get round the copycat allegations. Actually, it did have some funny clips IIRC and it was to the best of my knowledge all British, something YBF never was and still isn't. DOI falls into the latter category too - Strictly on Ice, a shameless and much inferior, low-budget rip off. Quote:
Originally Posted by rzt;560*****
BARB has published their 'official' (*cough cough*) Top 10 programmes of 2011 on their website:
1. The Royal Wedding* - 13.59m (29 Apr, BBC One) 2. The X Factor Results - 13.46m (11 Dec, ITV1) 3. Strictly Come Dancing Final - 13.34m (17 Dec, BBC One) 4. The X Factor - 12.92m (2 Oct, ITV1) 5. Britain's Got Talent Final Result - 12.63m (4 Jun, ITV1) 6. Coronation Street 12.56m (14 Feb ITV1) 7. I'm A Celebrity... - 12.47m (13 Nov, ITV1) 8. Britain's Got Talent Final - 12.22 (4 Jun, ITV1) 9. Downton Abbey - 12.15m (11 Nov, ITV1) 10. EastEnders - 11.42m (3 Jan, BBC One) * The Royal Wedding between the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge averaged 26.0m viewers across the ceremony from 11.00am-12.10pm across the 10 BARB reported channels that followed the events live. Source: BARB That BARB Top 10 chart is a bit of a joke. They've got BGT and TXF in there twice, just because the results show has a slightly different name. Doctor Who should've been in the Top 10 with its 10.77m. Yes, of course it's daft to include TXF and BGT two times each. And they should correct that. But it does clearly show that Strictly was well ahead of TXF in the Battle of Saturday Night. ![]() Quote:
When Saturday Night Takeaway returns next year, do we think it'll take the 8pm slot in Q1?....
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Friday always used to be a big night for drama on both BBC1 and ITV, they used to run loads of new shows there, and of course Casualty was there for a couple of years at the end of the eighties.
.... Yeah, they did Strictly Ice Dancing at Christmas 2004 but I assume the Beeb considered it was the kind of thing that only worked as a one-off, and certainly there wouldn't be much point in running both series on BBC1. I can only remember BBC1 having comparable success with Casualty, briefly, before it returned to Saturdays. Things like Love Hurts, Dangerfield and also 999 (the dramatised documentary series with Michael Buerk) did well and won their slots there in the early 90s too, but it was generally slim pickings for the BBC - probably not helped by the 9 O Clock News, of course, which meant BBC1 rarely won the 9pm vs 9.30pm battle anyway. As for Strictly Ice Dancing, it just wasn't a patch on the normal SCD, even in those early days, and only got c6m in a decent Boxing Day slot. I think they decided it would harm the SCD brand to squeeze a tenuous ice dancing contest out of it. So they left it to ITV to do the cheap rip off... |
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On the subject of regional viewing patterns, UTV and the North-east are the only ones where the ITV local news beats the BBC version.Broadly speaking, Coronation Street has always done better in the north of the UK and EE in the south; overall the BBC seems to do better in London and the south-east (perhaps because it is allegedly London-centric and viewers there identify more closely with it ?)Perhaps the BBC will strengthen its position in the north now it is becoming Manchester-centric.
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I did say ''broadly speaking''.I think the loss of identity by most of the ITV companies (certainly in England) will benefit the BBC. I was surprised to see EE did so well in Ulster.
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Originally Posted by rzt;560*****
BARB has published their 'official' (*cough cough*) Top 10 programmes of 2011 on their website:
1. The Royal Wedding* - 13.59m (29 Apr, BBC One) 2. The X Factor Results - 13.46m (11 Dec, ITV1) 3. Strictly Come Dancing Final - 13.34m (17 Dec, BBC One) 4. The X Factor - 12.92m (2 Oct, ITV1) 5. Britain's Got Talent Final Result - 12.63m (4 Jun, ITV1) 6. Coronation Street 12.56m (14 Feb ITV1) 7. I'm A Celebrity... - 12.47m (13 Nov, ITV1) 8. Britain's Got Talent Final - 12.22 (4 Jun, ITV1) 9. Downton Abbey - 12.15m (11 Nov, ITV1) 10. EastEnders - 11.42m (3 Jan, BBC One) * The Royal Wedding between the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge averaged 26.0m viewers across the ceremony from 11.00am-12.10pm across the 10 BARB reported channels that followed the events live. Source: BARB That BARB Top 10 chart is a bit of a joke. They've got BGT and TXF in there twice, just because the results show has a slightly different name. Doctor Who should've been in the Top 10 with its 10.77m. EDIT: No it wasn't it was a live show. |
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I wouldn't say ITV commands such massive loyalty in the North like it used to, but I do find in West Cumbria, which is heavily C2DE, ITV1 programmes tend to have a bigger following than they would in somewhere like Surrey. Also the reason Tyne Tees news does better than Look North is the show is padded out with parish pump news and the presenters are no match for the old days of Mike Neville and Tom Kilgour.
I have never heard her talk fondly of Gordon Burns (presenter of BBC NW Tonight), or take a close personal interest in the twists and turns on Holby... |
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I think that's true in the NW as well, although I do notice that some of my extended family do still refer to local Granada figures as if they are members of the family. I suspect Fred Talbot (the local weatherman) has never dropped in on my nan for a cup of tea, but you'd think there were close friends they way she talks ("Eee, Fred were saying it'd be windy today and he weren't wrong..."), nor do I think she bumps into the characters off Corrie on a daily basis but to see how she reacts to Corrie storylines whenever I see her watching it, you'd think she was personally involved.
I have never heard her talk fondly of Gordon Burns (presenter of BBC NW Tonight), or take a close personal interest in the twists and turns on Holby... Re Corrie, I do find its biggest following is among older women in the North. I suppose a lot of it is habit as they grew up with it. Oddly enough my mother stopped watching when the serial killer appeared, saying it had become unpleasant and nasty./ |
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2m at the centre of Saturday primetime in January on ITV1 is absolutely awful, Ch4 and Ch5 not far behind either. TMO is saving the schedule atm and is doing a very good job in maintaining a 4.5/5m audience in the middle of flops. Ross is suffering from a poor lead in and the 9pm slot. He needs to be on later-Sunday night after DOI would work better for him.
CBB didn't do too badly and I can see why they've delayed CSI:NY until it ends. Although a CBB/CSI combo would perform extremely well for them (and give ITV a run for its money), it probably works out better for Ch5 to have at least one hit show a week for as many Saturdays as they can-also NY may not fill as many Saturdays this season. |
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Are Channel 4 and Channel 5 more popular in certain areas? I know a lot of people who don't have Satellite or Cable still watch Channel 5, especially middle aged men who enjoy the truckers programmes and CSIs.
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I think the other ITV1 ratings show how well Take Me Out is doing and no doubt will be recommissioned again. The Talent Story Show should be moved, but it won't be. The Magicians did poorly, but definitely not in crisis and its percentage share is still okay.
Just a note, ITV1 averaged 8.4% between 22:15 to 23:00 which suggests the Celebrity Juice repeat didn't do too well for them either. |
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Are Channel 4 and Channel 5 more popular in certain areas? I know a lot of people who don't have Satellite or Cable still watch Channel 5, especially middle aged men who enjoy the truckers programmes and CSIs.
Channel 4 seems to be a weird channel. You have elderly skewing shows like Countdown and distinctly yoof offerings like Hollyoaks in the same schedule. However, it seems to offer little to anyone in between and its old left leaning middle class audience will have deserted it. |
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Snooker final overrunning horribly on BBC2 (6 frames in two and a half hours).
Should have been 8 frames this afternoon, and 11 tonight. |
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I think there is a difference between one network seeing a success elsewhere and thinking "can we do something like this" and a blatant carbon copy rip off.
Aunties' Bloomers started with massive 19m audiences because of the sheer amount of unseen BBC outtakes that were never released to AOTN - it was almost as if for years folk had been crying out for the BBC version. (Interestingly, I noticed a few BBC clips on the new Xmas episodes of AOTN, with BBC1 having now ditched Bloomers and Outtake TV). Caught in the Act was a blatant YBF rip-off but dressed up as a quiz format to get round the copycat allegations. Actually, it did have some funny clips IIRC and it was to the best of my knowledge all British, something YBF never was and still isn't. Talking of rip offs and copycats... ![]() It never aired as late as 8pm when Noel presented it. ![]() Caught In The Act seemed to suffer from BBC tight-fistedness over having to pay £250 for each clip. They limited the number of clips in the programme, padded it out with the quiz and the end result was the show was far too slow. Of course, YBF used to have studio links with silly gimmicky bits. Harry Hill's method of just showing clips with him narrating out-of-view is a much better way of doing it. I don't think Ant & Dec have ever been shy of admitting the influence of House Party of SNT. And then the BBC tried to rip-off SNT by signing Johnny Vaughan and Denise Van Outen to front Passport To Paradise in 2004. Fail. |
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Dancing On Ice is no more a rip off of Strictly Come Dancing than The Voice is of Popstars or Total Wipeout is of It's A Knockout or EastEnders is of Coronation Street. Indeed in the case of the latter, I'd say EastEnders is more of a rip off than Dancing On Ice is!
Back to last night... A steady Saturday as always for BBC One; possibly it may be worth them considering switching The Magicians around with Winter Wipeout as the latter is the stronger show. Who Dares Wins performed excellently; even beating Casualty which did ok itself. Live At The Apollo looks pretty poor; especially considering how badly the other channels did in that slot. Take Me Out is a very reliable performer for ITV1 and they really need to be pair it up with programming which can at least make the most of the steady start to the evening it provides. Jonathan Ross is looking very exposed and they may as well sacrifice The Talent Show Story is an early slot so You've Been Framed can lead in to Take Me Out which can at least give Jonathan Ross a boost. The Million Pound Drop recorded a decent figure for Channel 4 and Transporter 2 didn't disgrace itself. The snooker held a reasonable share for BBC Two and Celebrity Big Brother at least kept itself above the 1.5m mark though it does make me wonder how the normal version will do on Saturday's...could they drop the Saturday highlights for a double bill on Sunday? Then again, if it's on around the same time as Britain's Got Talent/The Voice they may be able to schedule wisely and get a cross channel leg up. |
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In several of todays papers it has been reported that Simon Cowell is furious at the BBC's supposed launching of The Voice at the same time as BGT. He has declared war on the BBC and accused them of being pathetic and childish. He then goes on to say, almost as if contradicting himself, that he "poached" Alesha Dixon as a way of getting back at the corporation as they are becoming "cocky and smug".
Alesha denied this. She said she not once received a phone call from Cowell. It was through her agent that the job become available. Now, the BBC have ALWAYS said that The Voice WOULD NOT clash with the X-Factor. It isn't clashing with the X-Factor. They have ALWAYS said it will air in the Spring. It IS airing in the Spring. The only vacant slot due to six nations rugby, Let's Dance etc. is the April-June slots. It seems Cowell must be worried about The Voice. As are ITV who bid for the rights. I'd say the BBC are aware that The Voice won't get the figures BGT gets, but if it manages to dent the viewing figures for BGT and maintains a healthy 6 - 6.5 million viewers each week, then I reckon The Voice can be deemed a huge success. BGT audience figures, especially with the marmite David Walliams, and actually not particularly popular Alesha Dixon, may not exceed 10 million this year. Interesting times for Cowell indeed. |
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BBC1 used to pay Denis Norden for Auntie's Bloomers because it was his title. He originally took his idea for his outtake show to BBC1 but they turned it down so he went to LWT and the rest is history...
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Of course, YBF used to have studio links with silly gimmicky bits. Harry Hill's method of just showing clips with him narrating out-of-view is a much better way of doing it.
You're right though, the Beadle version was insanely annoying and padded out. The current cheaper version is far better. |
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The Jonathan Ross Show's ratings are dire - it even had a pretty good lineup and was in an earlier slot last night but still stuck at 2.4m. ITV have fallen into the trap of looking at his ratings post-TXF and then extending his contract for a few more series of more episodes, thinking he'd manage those kind of ratings even without an XF lead-in. Another 11 weeks of these poor ratings to go for the current run. The Talent Show Story also did even worse than usual and is at completely unacceptable levels for a Saturday night in the 8pm hour. But knowing them, they'll continue showing it in the slot right until the end, rather than pulling it or moving it elsewhere.
I wonder if they'll consider moving The Jonathan Ross Show to another slot. I wonder how he'd do on a Sunday at 10pm after DOI for instance (and indeed after Downton in the Autumn)? Might be worth trying if his ratings don't perk up much once TTSS ends. |
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