Seems to have built significantly when Paddy started on ITV too, looking at that graph....

guess that would be when the dreadful Youve Been Framed ended.

how anyone can watch such trash is so far beyond me, you might as well ask me to understand why the Sky is blue, or to explain the female mind.

Zeebox is suggesting Take Me Out is massively well ahead of the lotto quiz right now. But then, if it's measuring tweets etc, then surely bitching etc about the contestants on TMO is more likely than commenting on Who Dares Wins questions?

I guess TMO skews massively young anyway.

ITV do a good enough job of that themsleves. They well and truly pissed away a Harry Potter premiere, desperately trying to dent Eastenders and Sherlock, I hope the sub 4m rating was worth it.

After my experiment yesterday I don't think Zeebox will be good for measuring audience levels for programme versus programme, but could be good for telling you if programmes audiences increase or decrease throughout transmission (like the case in hand with The Magicians).

Hard to avoid Eastenders when it ran for about 13 days in a row with 70 or 80 minutes per night

This will be remembered as the Christmas when Downton won the Day but also the one where the BBC ran Eastenders every night in order to try to shore up their evening schedule with diminishing payback

Yeah, things like Zeebox and Twitter popularity trends aren't reliable because they're based on chat from mainly people who are younger (16-34s). Of course for TV ratings though, the over-50 audience makes up a big bulk of the audience and things like Zeebox don't really take that into account. So yesterday Zeebox had CBB down as being more 'popular' than L&O: UK but in the ratings, L&O was much more popular in the 50s+ which makes up the bulk of TV audiences so it was well ahead of CBB in total viewers (even though CBB probably was ahead in 16-34s). I suspect Take Me Out will probably be the most popular TV show tonight among 16-34s but shows like Casualty and Who Dares Win will be ahead in total viewers due to their very strong 50+ audiences. I guess you could say, that to an extent, Twitter can be a slight indicator of what's popular with a tighter demographic like 16-34s.

that is not exactly true, the last bit certainly not.


no it wont, the ratings are to inclusive for that, this Christmas will be remembered as a BBC win on the over nights, and despite a record breaking time shift a messy unanswered final rating for EE and Downton.

Besides even if Downton was the clear winner it was only the one slot ITV won, not the entire day.

Terribly hard to avoid, not like they could have saved it for another day and guaranteed themselves at least 6m, probably over 7m. Its a good job ITV have so many 7m shows that brings in excellent demos, oh wait...


Downton won the first airing, Eastenders won the night

I think ITV have rather stuck a picture of Downton in front of their schedule and pretended its made Christmas.

Apart from Downton and the one slot it occupied it was pretty much the usual stuff other than the fact this thread would have been about 30 pages shorter!

Good to see a new face on BBC primetime - and he's an improvement on Lenny, but adding a public vote to a show already trivialised by using celebrities makes it even more frustrating this format took off whilst Penn and Teller: Fool Us didn't.

A small indicator in a small demographic is about right. Trying to accurately predict any ratings from twitter, facebook, zeebox is useless. Sure its interesting looking at zeebox's data but time and time again, the link between social media and ratings has proven to be false.

That is until Sunday when DOI gets 20 times the number of tweets as Countryfile and 20 times the number of viewers.

so winning the 6pm, 8pm, 10pm hours in the o/nights dont count in your world? Or winning the entire morning from 9am?

did it do that?

I more than well aware of that,

Something that I doubt will be repeated anytime soon, ITV1 won all 5 nights in the 9pm slot this week.

The average rating at 9pm was 3.9m on BBC1 and 4.7m on ITV1*

*This takes the full programme average for Endeavour and Mamma Mia, even though they were on 2 hours, so the ITV1 figure will be slightly different.

Didn't BBC2 win Tuesday?

The Talent Show Story is quite a nice little programme for those of us in this thread who are obviously interested in the TV industry.

It's funs seeing clips of Popstars showing how it all began, how low key it all was, and how Simon Cowell apparantly turned it down.

There are also appearances by the various TV execs of the time and talk about ratings.

Glenn will like it as well as Opportunity Knocks and New Faces will also be covered.

I'd forgotten that before Popstars pretty much the only talent shows on air were 'Search for a Star' and Jonathan Ross's 'Big Big Talent Show'

You don't half talk rubbish at times. 70 or 80 minutes per night? Bit rich when your employers block the schedule with their trademark soapathons - 90 mins every Monday, Thursday and Friday, strangling the prospects of anything else, and a miserable Christmas Night containing 2 hours of ordinary pleb soap plus a special bonus 2 hours of period toff soap.

Given that Coro St, EmFm and EE all run extra episodes on Christmas Day now as a matter of course, BBC1 actually aired one additonal episode of EE, the one on Christmas Eve. Not strictly necessary, but you could argue it helped Outnumbered achieve its highest ever rating of 8.5m (surpassing many established shows in the 2011 ratings) and Lapland attract 7m for a one off drama.

They then aired a bonus 70 minute episode of EE on NYD, which helped Sherlock get what will be a 9-10m official rating. They couldn't, of course, have aired that 70 min episode on the Monday because ITV has wrapped EmFm and Coro St round every episode of EE like poison ivy.

Indeed, there are so few clear slots left in the schedule now ITV has littered episodes of EmFm and Coro around the place like landmines, that it's increasingly difficult for BBC1 to launch anything new these days...

Had the Beeb not bumped Panorama from the schedule (no, let's not go there again) it would have been very different I expect. An important mitigating factor.

Fawlty Towers is trending on Twitter. I bet nobody expected that!

Take Me Out: The Gossip on ITV2 is also trending.

ah but Christmas is special and not a time for relentless soap operas. Of course it is the BBC that started the arms race on soaps - introducing them to Christmas Day on non soap days and upping the number of episodes of Eastenders from 2 to 4.

Looks like an ITV3 programme to me. Expect it will get a comsiderable number of ITV3 repeats in the months and years to come.


The difference between the two shows was the scheduling. The Magiicans scheduled on Winter Saturdays against ITV's less-than-impressive Winter Saturday schedule. P&T were clumsily sandwiched between underperformers Odd One In and Marriage Ref during the Sunner.

I'm enjoying The Talent Show Story (and I hate The X Factor), could do OK over the next 5 weeks.
I did like Pop Idol, and remember the early days where you could watch live rehearsals during the day on another channel (ITV2?). Those were the days when there was a point to that channel.

It's an interesting documentary and will most likely do alright but I'm not sure why it's in the schedules on the first Saturday of the year?! They should be airing new light entertainment shows at this time of the year in primetime to take advantage of the increased no. of viewers available compared to other times of the year. The Talent Show Story would've been a decent show to air during the summer or in a slot against EE but it doesn't really deserve a January primetime Saturday slot IMO.