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Old 05-01-2012, 14:16
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The BBC have screwed up there entire early winter Drama schedule all for one episode of Panorama.
Overstatement of the week.

That nobody bothered to watch anyway. Still, The Guardian will be happy. I didn't think Public Enemies was ever likely to debut with more than 4.5m to 5m anyway, so 4.1m isn't catastrophic. But it has helped ITV out massively, for sure.
Over 2 million watched. Myself included.

Contrary to what you might think Robbie, the BBC isn't just there to chase ratings. It is a public service broadcaster. That episode of panorama is the type of thing it's there to do. I know that's a controversial thing to say in the ratings thread...
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Old 05-01-2012, 14:36
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Good night for C4.

Really not expecting much for CBB tonight, hardly anyone is even aware it's still around these days let alone launching a new series tonight. I really don't expect more than 3m.
Really? It's been advertised so well this year. I see it everywhere I go. On every bus I see, every train station I go to. Ads on ITV while Emmerdale was on which got almost 8m viewers, also during Mamma Mia which got 5m. Also a moment ago, 4 celebrities rumoured of going in were trending, and so was CBB.
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Old 05-01-2012, 14:47
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Overstatement of the week.



Over 2 million watched. Myself included.

Contrary to what you might think Robbie, the BBC isn't just there to chase ratings. It is a public service broadcaster. That episode of panorama is the type of thing it's there to do. I know that's a controversial thing to say in the ratings thread...
They spent our money on a new 3 part drama, they shouldn't have been so keen to drop it in order to fit in what seemed to be an hour of waffle which so far as I could see said nothing about the trial that had just concluded and justice finally being done, but was instead a prepared documentary about the victim's mother and going over very old ground about the Met's supposed institutional racism, a pet subject for leftists at the BBC and The Guardian. No wonder twice as many got their Lawrence trial reports from the News rather than this documentary which could have been shown any day post 10.35pm.
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Old 05-01-2012, 14:51
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They spent our money on a new 3 part drama, they shouldn't have been so keen to drop it in order to fit in what seemed to be an hour of waffle which so far as I could see said nothing about the trial that had just concluded and justice finally being done, but was instead a prepared documentary about the victim's mother and going over very old ground about the Met's supposed institutional racism, a pet subject for leftists at the BBC and The Guardian. No wonder twice as many got their Lawrence trial reports from the News rather than this documentary which could have been shown any day post 10.35pm.
They didn't drop PE. It's airing isn't it? Airing to ratings it would probably have been getting anyway. It never looked like a hit to me.

Hustle has simply been shifted to next Friday. No need for panic or hyperbole.
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Old 05-01-2012, 14:58
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They spent our money on a new 3 part drama, they shouldn't have been so keen to drop it in order to fit in what seemed to be an hour of waffle which so far as I could see said nothing about the trial that had just concluded and justice finally being done, but was instead a prepared documentary about the victim's mother and going over very old ground about the Met's supposed institutional racism, a pet subject for leftists at the BBC and The Guardian. No wonder twice as many got their Lawrence trial reports from the News rather than this documentary which could have been shown any day post 10.35pm.
Rather forgetting that the Mail has had rather a big part in all this too, Important issue, well done the Beeb for giving it prominence
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Old 05-01-2012, 15:16
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Love the 'supposed' institutional racism comment Robbie. Keep it up
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Old 05-01-2012, 15:18
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Really? It's been advertised so well this year. I see it everywhere I go. On every bus I see, every train station I go to. Ads on ITV while Emmerdale was on which got almost 8m viewers, also during Mamma Mia which got 5m. Also a moment ago, 4 celebrities rumoured of going in were trending, and so was CBB.
I only saw one ad too, on New Years day I think? It gave the impression that the public decides who goes into the house, Is this the case? Alarmingly it didn't say what date it started.
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Old 05-01-2012, 15:41
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They spent our money on a new 3 part drama, they shouldn't have been so keen to drop it in order to fit in what seemed to be an hour of waffle which so far as I could see said nothing about the trial that had just concluded and justice finally being done, but was instead a prepared documentary about the victim's mother and going over very old ground about the Met's supposed institutional racism, a pet subject for leftists at the BBC and The Guardian. No wonder twice as many got their Lawrence trial reports from the News rather than this documentary which could have been shown any day post 10.35pm.
If ever a moment showed the BBC isn't just chasing ratings like others blame it of, the Panorama documentary in primetime was it. The 'supposed' instituitional racism was the reason why there was such a half arsed approach by the police during the original investigation. And the right wing Tory loving Daily Mail also championed the cause of bringing Steven Lawrence's murderers to justice so you can't blame the 'lefties' for that one alone.
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Old 05-01-2012, 15:45
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I only saw one ad too, on New Years day I think? It gave the impression that the public decides who goes into the house, Is this the case? Alarmingly it didn't say what date it started.
It has stated the day all day yesterday and today, so the 8m that watched Emmerdale and 5m that watched Mamma Mia will know what date it is on, and that it's starting today,
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Old 05-01-2012, 15:54
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They spent our money on a new 3 part drama, they shouldn't have been so keen to drop it in order to fit in what seemed to be an hour of waffle which so far as I could see said nothing about the trial that had just concluded and justice finally being done, but was instead a prepared documentary about the victim's mother and going over very old ground about the Met's supposed institutional racism, a pet subject for leftists at the BBC and The Guardian. No wonder twice as many got their Lawrence trial reports from the News rather than this documentary which could have been shown any day post 10.35pm.
I normally find your posts entertaining Robbie, even those bordering on the ludicrous, but right now words fail me.
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Old 05-01-2012, 16:12
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Contrary to what you might think Robbie, the BBC isn't just there to chase ratings. It is a public service broadcaster. That episode of panorama is the type of thing it's there to do. I know that's a controversial thing to say in the ratings thread...
Spot on.

It's the whole reason the BBC exists.

If the BBC is just going to churn out general entertainment with the aim of high ratings there is no reason for it to exist in its current publicly funded form.

The BBC absolutely has to do documentaries on major public issues and they must be shown in prime-time where they will get the biggest possible audience.
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Old 05-01-2012, 16:24
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I only saw one ad too, on New Years day I think? It gave the impression that the public decides who goes into the house, Is this the case? Alarmingly it didn't say what date it started.
The rules on advertising on other channels are pretty strict. I don't think they were allowed to be more specific at that time, although yesterday's trails on ITV1 did at least carry the date.

The public do not decide the housemates. In the advert "we" refers to Big Brother.
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Old 05-01-2012, 16:34
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for what its worth im sure the BBC did not think it ideal they would have to drop Public Enemies, at such short notice, even for a PSB channel im sure it was a tough decision, its not like they dropped an episode of Motorway Cops or a New Tricks repeat.

Obviously the BBC has a duty to ensure its expensive drama get as gooda rating as possible, but on balance with the situation, they did make the right decision.

The final series of Hustle can wait a week, not like its going to pick up any new viewers now.
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Old 05-01-2012, 16:40
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The rules on advertising on other channels are pretty strict. I don't think they were allowed to be more specific at that time, although yesterday's trails on ITV1 did at least carry the date.

The public do not decide the housemates. In the advert "we" refers to Big Brother.
Ah I see, thanks for the info, feel dumb now. What are you predicing tonight Dancc? Are you nervous? Exciting night for Five.
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Old 05-01-2012, 16:47
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for what its worth im sure the BBC did not think it ideal they would have to drop Public Enemies, at such short notice, even for a PSB channel im sure it was a tough decision, its not like they dropped an episode of Motorway Cops or a New Tricks repeat.

Obviously the BBC has a duty to ensure its expensive drama get as gooda rating as possible, but on balance with the situation, they did make the right decision.

The final series of Hustle can wait a week, not like its going to pick up any new viewers now.
Of course it was the right decision.

They would have known it may happen anyway - the verdict was coming, the documentary had been ready to air for a while as they'd been filming right up until the trial started... it can't have taken them that much by surprise.

I'm not sure what kind of ratings people were anticipating for Public Enemies on Tuesday night for it to be this big a deal.
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Old 05-01-2012, 17:10
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The Panorama Special was absolutely right but there was so much confusion at BBC1 scheduling about the time it was to be shown (2000, then 2100, then 2000 then back to 2100 again) that I suspect many potential viewers were just confused and gave up.I believe there was also an ITV Special at 2235 but I haven't met anyone who saw it. The Panorama would probably have done better at 2000 in any case and putting back Holby/River City by a week would have caused minimal disruption.
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Old 05-01-2012, 17:11
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England will play Norway in Oslo at the Ullevaal Stadion on Saturday 26 May, before hosting Belgium on Saturday 2 June before Euros
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http://www.thefa.com/England/News/20...ncement-050112

If the latter is in the evening, it may well be that followed by the BGT Final straight after like last year if I remember correctly.
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Old 05-01-2012, 17:13
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England will play Norway in Oslo at the Ullevaal Stadion on Saturday 26 May, before hosting Belgium on Saturday 2 June before Euros
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http://www.thefa.com/England/News/20...ncement-050112

If the latter is in the evening, it may well be that followed by the BGT Final straight after like last year if I remember correctly.
Two more meaningless friendly fixtures, I hope the BBC doesn't waste my money bidding for them.
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Old 05-01-2012, 17:19
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The Panorama Special was absolutely right but there was so much confusion at BBC1 scheduling about the time it was to be shown (2000, then 2100, then 2000 then back to 2100 again) that I suspect many potential viewers were just confused and gave up.I believe there was also an ITV Special at 2235 but I haven't met anyone who saw it. The Panorama would probably have done better at 2000 in any case and putting back Holby/River City by a week would have caused minimal disruption.
I think the content was more suited to a 9pm slot - may also have been a bit much to follow Public Enemies straight after as well, considering the subject matter. Again it probably would have done better at 8pm but that's not really the point.

From the schedule changes it did appear they were deliberating between the two, but I think they settled at the right decision. Moving Hustle back a week is probably less disruptive than trying to find an extra slot to get Holby back in sync as well.
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Old 05-01-2012, 17:21
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Two more meaningless friendly fixtures, I hope the BBC doesn't waste my money bidding for them.
ITV already have the rights, so will screen both games.
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Old 05-01-2012, 17:24
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Interesting that Pointless and The Chase are neck and neck as it seemed that Pointless was way out ahead during the last run.

Personally I watch The Chase while it is on and Pointless when it isn't, therefore getting a good mix of both across the year, maybe many others are now doing the same as they know Pointless is on all year round.
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Old 05-01-2012, 17:26
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I think the content was more suited to a 9pm slot - may also have been a bit much to follow Public Enemies straight after as well, considering the subject matter. Again it probably would have done better at 8pm but that's not really the point.

From the schedule changes it did appear they were deliberating between the two, but I think they settled at the right decision. Moving Hustle back a week is probably less disruptive than trying to find an extra slot to get Holby back in sync as well.
According to someone on Five Live yesterday Holby was supposed to be bumped but Panorama wasn't ready to air by 8pm, so they had to change the plans at the (very) last minute.
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Old 05-01-2012, 17:29
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According to someone on Five Live yesterday Holby was supposed to be bumped but Panorama wasn't ready to air by 8pm, so they had to change the plans at the (very) last minute.
Interesting. Probably makes sense as there was footage from the day, including an interview with Doreen Lawrence straight after the verdict. One forgets these things have to be edited together.
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Old 05-01-2012, 17:41
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According to someone on Five Live yesterday Holby was supposed to be bumped but Panorama wasn't ready to air by 8pm, so they had to change the plans at the (very) last minute.
Holby would have had to been fitted in somewhere this week as it was full of Christmas decorations and had New Years Eve scenes in the first 10mins. Probably could have played Holby on Weds instead of that Countryfile repeat I guess.

Also I know it was for PSB reasons but Public Enemies could have tanked completely launching to a sub 3m Panorama lead-in.
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Old 05-01-2012, 17:50
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Ah I see, thanks for the info, feel dumb now. What are you predicing tonight Dancc? Are you nervous? Exciting night for Five.
You're welcome. No I'm not, more looking forward to it actually. I probably will be later when it all becomes real and the first show goes out. You're able to get a feel for things then I think about how it's going but you can never be sure until the overnights come through. It could literally make or break their entire year so it's definitely a very big night for the channel.

Whilst the marketing has been as good as it could have been, and the lineup is reportedly very good according to various sources (including Digital Spy), it's struggled for press coverage yet again with more interest in who WON'T be Dancing on Ice this weekend, so it's going to be a bit of an uphill battle for it. But then when is that not the case for a show on C5? Launch night is an attractive proposition for the casual audience as it's always interesting to see who's going in, and the competition is average at best, so with that in mind I'm predicting 4m (inc. +1), but I think it could do just about anything from 3m-5m.

William Hill are taking bets on whether or not the peak will be above or below 4.5m. Odds of 5/6 are being offered for both scenarios, which doesn't really tell us much. Also it doesn't state whether they are talking about 5 or 15 minute peaks:

http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en...g-Figures.html
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