Oh, Andy. Stripping out +1 when it suits you and not otherwise, I thought you were above that at least? Almost as bad as someone comparing officials to overnights to make CBB's performance look worse, whilst also trying to stress that +1 shouldn't be included.

It did fine, especially as last night's show was 75 minutes long instead of the usual 60. I'm expecting the numbers to largely stabilise within the next couple of days now, but you'll always have Sundays to provide a bit of deflection worthy material for you as we all know Saturday is BB's weakest night and that will continue to be the case.

Personally I'm still astonished at Ross. 2.88m (since the new rule is apparently to exclude +1) really is dire, even if it got no help whatsoever from the "didn't we do well" type programme that predictably died on its arse before it. Very strong for TMO though and I bet tasty demos too, it's so fortunate they have that otherwise I honestly don't know what they'd do on Saturday nights in Q1. Yet another HP run through maybe?

10 years ago the Saturday night ratings were:

5 Casualty (sat 2026) 8.76
10 The National Lottery Jet Set (sat 1951) 7.07
12 Murder In Mind (sat 2133) 6.77
29 The Waiting Game (sat 1910) 5.11

14 Pop Idol (sat 1819) 8.54
18 Who Wants To Be A Millionaire? (sat 2022) 7.11
19 Blind Date (sat 1919) 7.03
21 It Shouldn't Happen To A Tv Weather Forecaster (sat 2122) 6.56
23 New You've Been Framed (sat 1744) 6.45

EastEnders and Coronation Street both got 14m back then, so as you can see some of those ratings weren't particularly great.

When I posted that I didn't even see that the C5+1 rating had been reported.

As someone whose not really a BB fan I was wondering if you think Ch5 should just chuck the Saturday show (in fact maybe the Sunday too) and just do like an extra long episode on the Monday to 'launch the week' - which would surely be very popular due to more things going on and a story taking place over the weekend sort of thing.

I think being on too often loses it viewers over time because the stories in the house move on and you might miss some. Cutting it down - and making Monday a launch show allows for some recapping - I think would bring in greater ratings overall.


Why Ross is going out at the time I have no idea - it doesn't do well at all, and tbh might do better in the later slot - if ITV try to refashion it a bit (late slot is people looking for light fun, JR these days as many have said is a very tired format).

Fact that Graham Norton at 10:35 is beating 9:00 Ross is all that needs to be said tbh.
We seem to accept very low figures from ITV these days (whilst people mention 'concern' at The Magicians getting 5+ against competition)

Ah, you must be a Digital Spy reader as according to them C5+1 doesn't exist either.

Considering the rating including +1 (2.0m) was reported first I'm not sure whether I'd believe that. Whether you include +1 or not is up to you (I always include it but you may disagree) but you've got to be consistent with it, and as you've been including it for the last year at least it's unfair for you to not include it for CBB.

For what it's worth I think CBB is doing well. The launch night audience was lower than I expected but it's holding up well. How many other shows do C5 have that get those ratings and those demos? The Saturday shows will always be lower - they always have been, but 2.0m is still pretty good going for them.

I don't think that rating for Ross is too bad. 3.0m (or 2.9m exc +1, just for you Andy ) for a late chatshow is alright (he'd probably get the same ratings half an hour or an hour later). The lead-in won't have helped, but the demos will redeem it somewhat (I bet The Talent Show Story's demos weren't great) and it's no worse than how he was doing on BBC1. With a Take Me Out lead-in I think he'd be more around 3.5m.

Just watched The Talent Show Story. Shame it didn't rate as it was pretty interesting but as people have said, it was very badly scheduled (I think that even more now I've watched it). At least they did it properly with decent interviews with people like Simon Cowell, Ant and Dec, Nigel Lythgoe etc rather than some vacuous zelebs commenting on how much they enjoyed the shows.

I don't think they need to drop Sunday but taking it off of Saturday nights in the summer and extending Sunday's would be a good move for increasing stability.

Apart from the fact a lot of BB's audience is out on the town on a Saturday night, another reason I feel that episode is less of a pull normally is because of the eviction on Friday meaning a considerable amount of the show is taken up with what viewers already know about. HMs packing suitcases and talking about how nervous they are for example is pretty redundant 24 hours after the event.

I'm being honest, I would always include +1 in all cases.

The exc+1 figure was reported in post 679, I replied in post 682, it was post 719 by the time the +1 was reported.

Like writing a letter to the editor of The Times on hearing the first cuckoo of spring, it's becoming a Ratings Thread tradition for me to post the time at which the first Dancing on Ice couple of the series actually takes to the ice.

This year - 6.59pm!.

I think that must be a record. Think it was 23 minutes into the show last year!



I assume DOI will still be going strong when Sherlock starts at 8.30, as ITV runs an actual 6.30/8.35/9.35 schedule as previous years?

They may be more likely this year with EastEnders running over the start of Corrie next Friday, no doubt causing some annoyance at ITV Centre for hacking into the poison ivy....

have you not returned your Christmas stop watch yet?

Im not even turning on my TV till 20:30 tonight.

I was just about to post the same thing. Half an hour! And people say The X Factor is padded out, this show takes it to a whole new league. I can't believe they're stringing 7 competitive performances out into a 2 hour show. Ridiculous, I think it's a new record, even for this show. The opening routine was good though.

Loving the optimism lads but I don't see either of those first two materialising. SWAT especially is an average movie and not a great choice for Sunday primetime.

They redeem themselves later though with a very timely showing of Reservoir Dogs. Hope the scheduler got a nice Christmas bonus for that one.

For comparison:

2011 - 18:54 (24 minutes)

I like the SWAT, would have loved to have seen a sequel, or a TV show, but no way its doing 2million.

I'll never understand why DoI does as well as it does. Its always been the poorer of all the reality shows between ITV/BBC.
Yet it does do rather well ratings wise. Most shows I can look at critically and see why some would like it - but DoI is just gumfph.

I didn't realise the only good thing about DOI Holly Willoughby had gone! Instead we get a failed breakfast time leprechaun. God help us and bring on 8:30.

In fact I may have to murder my wife so I can turn ITV off. I think its driving me insane.

To avoid the first show having lots of what you call padding, maybe they should do like SCD does, and have a pre-launch show where they introduce this year's contestants?

Therefore an entire show that is just padding!

It does well because it's Sunday nights at the height of Winter.

A high number of people on this thread keep calling (year after year:yawn:, since about 1957) for ITV to spread DOI across Saturdays and Sundays but they don't because:

a) the DOI/WAH Sunday night sandwich works well for them (If it ain't broke, don't mend it) and

b) maybe moving the programme to Saturday would dent the ratings, if it is indeed the lesser of the big shiny-floor entertainment shows.

It is however advertised as such

In fact... why wasn't there a DOI Preview show like last year? After all, that got I think 6m for an hour on a Friday night.

A quick look at the BARB website reveals the preview show was in 2010 and its official rating was 7.27m against Silent Witness if you please. So not quite sure why ITV dropped it.

Likely the same reason they tried to bury the line-up announcement by putting it out with the Alisha Dixon news.
ITV arn't confident about the line up - so they want to pull people in straight to the skating and put less importance on the celebrities themselves.

EDIT: Or not

Woops, I should remember we're in 2012 now. But yes, not sure myself why they dropped it.

Have the second couple come on yet?

(I turned over at 6.59pm having done my duty...)

BTW, it's very easy to scroll down a list and say "nope, never heard of this lot". When they are introduced on the ice in person and you still haven't a clue, it's doubly baffling!

I noticed that The Magicians is currently number 1 on iPlayer (ahead of Tracy Beaker returns), but, slightly strangely IMHO, Winter Wipeout not in the top 15.

Graham Norton currently at number 12. Did we ever get a figure for his show on Friday? I notice DS has posted a ratings news page for last night but not for Friday. Keep up, DS!