The 10:35pm slot keeps on giving, we've now got an extended repeat of the end of the year compliation of Have I got News for You. Basically a repeat of a repeat. At one time there would have been new comedy in this slot. (Mrs Brown's Boys should really be here, with new drama at 9pm and Royal Bodyguard at 4:35pm on CBBC One!)
The Ratings Thread (Part 30)
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Thanks to rzt and D.M.N for the exhaustive 2011 lists. Fantastic stuff. 
A few observations...
Top 20
- A generally lower rated Top 20 with all the Big 4 reality shows declining to some extent or another, as well as all three soaps (understandably, considering 2010 was anniversary year for the big 2).
- Relatively few surprises, with only one "new" show making the grade - the fabulous Frozen Planet, which it's great to see in the list. Otherwise, no absolute shockers like Come Fly With Me's 12.47m in 2010!
- Great performance from Downton to top Christmas Who which has dominated in terms of drama for several years. And there's 4 dramas on the list, as opposed to 3 in 2010. The big loss is for scripted comedy (if you exclude CR…) where there were 3 in 2010, and none this year. Thats basically because BBC1's Christmas comedy didn't show up.
- The big "winners" in 2011 were one-off events: New Year Live, Children in Need, and Eurovision all moving into/up the Top 20. Plus it was a Comic Relief year, and of course, there was the Royal Wedding.
Multichannel Top 20
- Good news for Sky with far more of their new entertainment programmes breaking through - as you'd expect, I suppose, given the massive investment they've made. Plenty of Sky Sports too, naturally.
- ITV2 have the reliable roster of spin-offs, plus a couple of their own successes. BBC3 seem under-represented relying on EE, Family Guy and a sole breakout hit. E4 manage nothing aside from a solitary, now-departed US import. Oh dear.
Alternative Top 20
- Some great stuff from BBC2 which dominates with a big range of genres from factual entertainment, through harder documentaries and a few one-off dramas. Plenty of new or newish shows in that mix too. Must be a welcome sight for Janice Hadlow, considering the overall channel share is struggling.
- C5 obviously have their one big entry, but C4 look really weak with only 4. A stalwart drama, a film and two "shock-factual" strands. Aside from the obvious smash hit of Gypsy Weddings, there's so little with genuine popular appeal. They must look at some of the stuff on BBC2's list: one-off dramas, Wonders, Stargazing, Bake-Off, Dragons Den. etc. and wonder why they're not producing those shows? Or why their equivalents aren't getting a fair crack from audiences?
Top Dramas
- A good year for ITV1 looking at the numbers - though being relatively averse to straight crime drama, there's not a lot I've witnessed. I think they're now getting more returnable series into the mix which should help them achieve a bit more stability: Scott & Bailey, Mr Whicher, Vera, Case Sensitive, Kidnap and Ransom and Monroe is a good return from the year - even if a couple have their work cut out with the second run.
- BBC One's top end a bit more reliant on the old retunees - where they're continuing to shed veterans like Lark Rise, Spooks, Waking the Dead and Hustle at pace. None of their new 6 part efforts really hit (all under 6m averages), though I've no doubt a couple will return (we already know Silk and Case Histories are) in the hope they "pull a Luther" for the second run.
OK, so maybe that was more than "a few" observations….
A few observations...Top 20
- A generally lower rated Top 20 with all the Big 4 reality shows declining to some extent or another, as well as all three soaps (understandably, considering 2010 was anniversary year for the big 2).
- Relatively few surprises, with only one "new" show making the grade - the fabulous Frozen Planet, which it's great to see in the list. Otherwise, no absolute shockers like Come Fly With Me's 12.47m in 2010!
- Great performance from Downton to top Christmas Who which has dominated in terms of drama for several years. And there's 4 dramas on the list, as opposed to 3 in 2010. The big loss is for scripted comedy (if you exclude CR…) where there were 3 in 2010, and none this year. Thats basically because BBC1's Christmas comedy didn't show up.
- The big "winners" in 2011 were one-off events: New Year Live, Children in Need, and Eurovision all moving into/up the Top 20. Plus it was a Comic Relief year, and of course, there was the Royal Wedding.
Multichannel Top 20
- Good news for Sky with far more of their new entertainment programmes breaking through - as you'd expect, I suppose, given the massive investment they've made. Plenty of Sky Sports too, naturally.
- ITV2 have the reliable roster of spin-offs, plus a couple of their own successes. BBC3 seem under-represented relying on EE, Family Guy and a sole breakout hit. E4 manage nothing aside from a solitary, now-departed US import. Oh dear.
Alternative Top 20
- Some great stuff from BBC2 which dominates with a big range of genres from factual entertainment, through harder documentaries and a few one-off dramas. Plenty of new or newish shows in that mix too. Must be a welcome sight for Janice Hadlow, considering the overall channel share is struggling.
- C5 obviously have their one big entry, but C4 look really weak with only 4. A stalwart drama, a film and two "shock-factual" strands. Aside from the obvious smash hit of Gypsy Weddings, there's so little with genuine popular appeal. They must look at some of the stuff on BBC2's list: one-off dramas, Wonders, Stargazing, Bake-Off, Dragons Den. etc. and wonder why they're not producing those shows? Or why their equivalents aren't getting a fair crack from audiences?
Top Dramas
- A good year for ITV1 looking at the numbers - though being relatively averse to straight crime drama, there's not a lot I've witnessed. I think they're now getting more returnable series into the mix which should help them achieve a bit more stability: Scott & Bailey, Mr Whicher, Vera, Case Sensitive, Kidnap and Ransom and Monroe is a good return from the year - even if a couple have their work cut out with the second run.
- BBC One's top end a bit more reliant on the old retunees - where they're continuing to shed veterans like Lark Rise, Spooks, Waking the Dead and Hustle at pace. None of their new 6 part efforts really hit (all under 6m averages), though I've no doubt a couple will return (we already know Silk and Case Histories are) in the hope they "pull a Luther" for the second run.
OK, so maybe that was more than "a few" observations….
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“ you mean apart from Dot, Cora, Patrick, Rose & Carol. Those are just the first names off the top of my head.”
“ you mean apart from Dot, Cora, Patrick, Rose & Carol. Those are just the first names off the top of my head.”
I meant some new older characters.
I guess I just like Coronation Street a bit better. But then that would make sense giving where I come from
Originally Posted by VirginMediaPhil:
“I meant some new older characters”
“I meant some new older characters”
Cora and Rose are fairly new characters.
Intriguing piece of trailer choice between the football highlights on ITV1...a brand new Midsomer Murders on Wednesday - up against football on BBC One. I can't think what the highlight-watching audience will choose. 
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“ITV1
12:30 The FA Cup Third Round Live: 5.1m (32.4%); +1: 63k
*5 minute peak: 8.12m (49.2%);
*Manchester derby averaged 6.93m (46.06%);
*Peterborough v Sunderland averaged 4.28m (25.12%) .”
“ITV1
12:30 The FA Cup Third Round Live: 5.1m (32.4%); +1: 63k
*5 minute peak: 8.12m (49.2%);
*Manchester derby averaged 6.93m (46.06%);
*Peterborough v Sunderland averaged 4.28m (25.12%) .”
Good rating for the FA Cup marathon broadcast, and I bet the demographics were excellent as well, all those men watching adverts for cars and beer etc!
A breakdown would be interesting, did more people tune back in in the last half hour to watch the FA Cup 4th Round Draw?
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“talking of EE, and going back to EE apparntly being on all the time, well apparently that is about to come true in Australia
http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2012/01/...ders-dose.html
That gives those lucky Aussie viewers 6 episodes a week, each episode getting 2 repeats one at 1:10am and another at 9:30am
So some days that will mean UKTV airs 3 hours of EastEnders a day.”
“talking of EE, and going back to EE apparntly being on all the time, well apparently that is about to come true in Australia
http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2012/01/...ders-dose.html
That gives those lucky Aussie viewers 6 episodes a week, each episode getting 2 repeats one at 1:10am and another at 9:30am
So some days that will mean UKTV airs 3 hours of EastEnders a day.”
Hope George's folks have no plans to emigrate. Could be a bit depressing for him if he pays a visit!
Bit of a ropey episode of Mrs Brown tonight. Hope it was just a rare dud and not a sign of the show running out of steam already.
Have to say I was astonished at the number of "fluffs" (proper ones!) tonight. I am quite sure a new record has been set for pre-10pm f-words on British television - certainly on the 2 mainstream channels.
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“Good rating for the FA Cup marathon broadcast, and I bet the demographics were excellent as well, all those men watching adverts for cars and beer etc!
A breakdown would be interesting, did more people tune back in in the last half hour to watch the FA Cup 4th Round Draw?”
“Good rating for the FA Cup marathon broadcast, and I bet the demographics were excellent as well, all those men watching adverts for cars and beer etc!
A breakdown would be interesting, did more people tune back in in the last half hour to watch the FA Cup 4th Round Draw?”
Decent day for ITV1, I bet the audience figures will be even better for Liverpool/ Man U.
Just to complete the various charts, here's the final ratings for the Christmas fortnight.
Christmas 2011 Top 20
(Saturday 17th December 2011 to Sunday 1st January 2012 inclusive)
1 Strictly Come Dancing (BBC1, 17/12) - 13.39m
2 Downton Abbey (ITV1, 25/12) - 11.59m
3 EastEnders (BBC1, 25/12) - 11.33m
4 Doctor Who (BBC1, 25/12) - 10.77m
5 New Year Live (BBC1, 31/12) - 10.67m
6 Sherlock (BBC1, 1/1) - 10.66m
7 Coronation Street (ITV1, 25/12) - 10.51m
8 Absolutely Fabulous (BBC1, 25/12) - 9.07m
9 The Queen's Christmas Message (BBC1/ITV1 3.10pm, 25/12) 8.9m*
10 Outnumbered (BBC1, 24/12) - 8.47m
11 Merlin (BBC1, 17/12) - 8.39m
12 The Royal Bodyguard (BBC1, 26/12) - 8.35m
13 Emmerdale (ITV1, 29/12) 8.33m
14 Mrs Brown's Boys (BBC1, 26/12) - 8.24m
15 Michael Macintyre's Christmas Comedy Roadshow (BBC1, 25/12) - 8.09m
16 BBC News (BBC1, 17/12 10.05pm) - 7.82m
17 The Gruffalo's Child (BBC1, 25/12) - 7.64m
18 Great Expectations (BBC1, 27/12) - 7.57m
19 Lapland (BBC1, 24/12) - 6.89m
20 Young James Herriot (BBC1, 18/12) - 6.73m
(*3.10pm simulcast only: BBC1 6.69m, ITV1 2.2m = 8.89m; BBC News Channel and Sky News not reported - assumed negligble)
Decent festive fortnight for BBC1 really, despite everything that has been said about ITV's better showing. Downton aside (essentially a displaced final episode of the series), and Coro St and EmFm both running strong festive storylines unusually, there is no other ITV showing in the whole fortnight. 17 out of 20 shows on BBC1, with others "bubbling under" before you get down to ITV's next entry.
The Queen's Speech would have made the top 20 for its BBC1 showing in its own right (6.69m).
Conclusion? The Beeb still owns Christmas, despite what the toffs in that big house with the gigantic Christmas tree might think...
Christmas 2011 Top 20
(Saturday 17th December 2011 to Sunday 1st January 2012 inclusive)
1 Strictly Come Dancing (BBC1, 17/12) - 13.39m
2 Downton Abbey (ITV1, 25/12) - 11.59m
3 EastEnders (BBC1, 25/12) - 11.33m
4 Doctor Who (BBC1, 25/12) - 10.77m
5 New Year Live (BBC1, 31/12) - 10.67m
6 Sherlock (BBC1, 1/1) - 10.66m
7 Coronation Street (ITV1, 25/12) - 10.51m
8 Absolutely Fabulous (BBC1, 25/12) - 9.07m
9 The Queen's Christmas Message (BBC1/ITV1 3.10pm, 25/12) 8.9m*
10 Outnumbered (BBC1, 24/12) - 8.47m
11 Merlin (BBC1, 17/12) - 8.39m
12 The Royal Bodyguard (BBC1, 26/12) - 8.35m
13 Emmerdale (ITV1, 29/12) 8.33m
14 Mrs Brown's Boys (BBC1, 26/12) - 8.24m
15 Michael Macintyre's Christmas Comedy Roadshow (BBC1, 25/12) - 8.09m
16 BBC News (BBC1, 17/12 10.05pm) - 7.82m
17 The Gruffalo's Child (BBC1, 25/12) - 7.64m
18 Great Expectations (BBC1, 27/12) - 7.57m
19 Lapland (BBC1, 24/12) - 6.89m
20 Young James Herriot (BBC1, 18/12) - 6.73m
(*3.10pm simulcast only: BBC1 6.69m, ITV1 2.2m = 8.89m; BBC News Channel and Sky News not reported - assumed negligble)
Decent festive fortnight for BBC1 really, despite everything that has been said about ITV's better showing. Downton aside (essentially a displaced final episode of the series), and Coro St and EmFm both running strong festive storylines unusually, there is no other ITV showing in the whole fortnight. 17 out of 20 shows on BBC1, with others "bubbling under" before you get down to ITV's next entry.
The Queen's Speech would have made the top 20 for its BBC1 showing in its own right (6.69m).
Conclusion? The Beeb still owns Christmas, despite what the toffs in that big house with the gigantic Christmas tree might think...
Originally Posted by Agent F:
“So are we done with Christmas chat now? Christmas is never-ending in this thread!”
“So are we done with Christmas chat now? Christmas is never-ending in this thread!”
Yeah, even the grousers who complain that Christmas is irrelevant and meaningless and nothing to shout about have, er, had something to shout about this year!
Well, apart from you evidently...
It was a good excuse to post a chart where Downton is not number one. You won't see many of those anywhere else but we can always count on Robbie.
Originally Posted by Agent F:
“So are we done with Christmas chat now? Christmas is never-ending in this thread!”
“So are we done with Christmas chat now? Christmas is never-ending in this thread!”
If we accept BBC One won I'm sure it'll go away.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“It was a good excuse to post a chart where Downton is not number one. You won't see many of those anywhere else but we can always count on Robbie.”
“It was a good excuse to post a chart where Downton is not number one. You won't see many of those anywhere else but we can always count on Robbie.”
I always post a round up of the top 20 shows over the Christmas fortnight, and today was the day we got the remaining outstanding official ratings.
Should I remove SCD so as not to upset ITV supporters or something?
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“I always post a round up of the top 20 shows over the Christmas fortnight, and today was the day we got the remaining outstanding official ratings.
Should I remove SCD so as not to upset ITV supporters or something?
”
“I always post a round up of the top 20 shows over the Christmas fortnight, and today was the day we got the remaining outstanding official ratings.
Should I remove SCD so as not to upset ITV supporters or something?
”
I do wonder if you would've posted the chart if Downton had won the fortnight - let's put it like that.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“I do wonder if you would've posted the chart if Downton had won the fortnight - let's put it like that.”
“I do wonder if you would've posted the chart if Downton had won the fortnight - let's put it like that.
”
is there any chance we could not discuss posters bias, AGAIN?
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“is there any chance we could not discuss posters bias, AGAIN?”
“is there any chance we could not discuss posters bias, AGAIN?”
Hey, if we can talk about Christmas again...
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“Just to complete the various charts, here's the final ratings for the Christmas fortnight.
Christmas 2011 Top 20
(Saturday 17th December 2011 to Sunday 1st January 2012 inclusive)
”
“Just to complete the various charts, here's the final ratings for the Christmas fortnight.
Christmas 2011 Top 20
(Saturday 17th December 2011 to Sunday 1st January 2012 inclusive)
”
Why pick those dates? Shouldn't it be Monday 19th-Sunday 1st? I dont see why you've included the 17/18th weekend?
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Hey, if we can talk about Christmas again...”
“Hey, if we can talk about Christmas again...
”
or we could have a long and detailed discussion of exactly who the celebrities on Dancing on Ice actually are, and I can quit the thread now.
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“or we could have a long and detailed discussion of exactly who the celebrities on Dancing on Ice actually are, and I can quit the thread now.”
“or we could have a long and detailed discussion of exactly who the celebrities on Dancing on Ice actually are, and I can quit the thread now.”
...there are celebrities on Dancing On Ice?
Originally Posted by Newcastle:
“Good job they did well on xmas day then!”
“Good job they did well on xmas day then!”
Just a shame for ITV they had 8m watching live on Christmas Day when they could have had 10m watching live on the Sunday before, with advertisers paying much more per slot too.
Originally Posted by garyessex:
“Why pick those dates? Shouldn't it be Monday 19th-Sunday 1st? I dont see why you've included the 17/18th weekend?”
“Why pick those dates? Shouldn't it be Monday 19th-Sunday 1st? I dont see why you've included the 17/18th weekend?”
Christmas TV magazines started on the 17th, seems fair start from that date.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“...there are celebrities on Dancing On Ice?”
“...there are celebrities on Dancing On Ice?
”
They have a couple hosting and one on the panel.
Are there more? I watched a few mins last night and didnt see any..............
Originally Posted by Georged123:
“Just a shame for ITV they had 8m watching live on Christmas Day when they could have had 10m watching live on the Sunday before, with advertisers paying much more per slot too.”
“Just a shame for ITV they had 8m watching live on Christmas Day when they could have had 10m watching live on the Sunday before, with advertisers paying much more per slot too.”
That is the big problem for ITV1 and it'll be interesting to see how they tackle it next year - should they make as much as they can financially and roll over on Christmas Day, or should they fight on Christmas Day (well, ok, with one drama) and accept the inevitable hit?
If you say the latter, is there any point in the terrestrials airing anything new on Christmas Day - for example surely ITV1 would make more out of the extra soap episodes in the run up to Christmas compared to the 25th?
EDIT: And Christine Bleakely will be delighted that she's reached celebrity status again.
A top 40 list. I know Robbie asked for a bit more detailed/longer list than just the top 20 and I have been updating it through the year so here it is.
01 - 13.95m - The Royal Wedding (29/04/11) - BBC1/BBC NEWS
02 - 13.45m - The X Factor (11/12/11) - ITV1/HD
03 - 13.39m Strictly Come Dancing (17/12/11) - BBC1/HD/3D
04 - 12.63m - Britain’s Got Talent (04/06/11) - ITV1/HD
05 - 12.56m - Coronation Street (14/02/11) - ITV1/HD
06 - 12.50m - I’m A Celebrity… Get Me Out Of Here (13/11/11) - ITV1/HD
07 - 12.15m - Downton Abbey (06/11/11) - ITV1/HD
08 - 11.42m - Eastenders (03/01/11) - BBC1
09 - 10.77m - Doctor Who (25/12/11) - BBC1
10 - 10.76m - BBC News (29/04/11) - BBC1
11 - 10.67m - New Year Live (31/12/11) - BBC1
12 - 10.31m - Doc Martin (19/09/11) - ITV1/HD
13 - 10.26m - Comic Relief (18/03/11) - BBC1
14 - 10.24m - The Apprentice (17/07/11) - BBC1
= - 10.24m - Children In Need (18/11/11) - BBC1
16 - 10.23m - Dancing On Ice (09/01/11) - ITV1/HD
17 - 9.87m - New Tricks (15/08/11) - BBC1
18 - 9.73m - Frozen Planet (26/10/11) - BBC1
19 - 9.68m - The Eurovision Song Contest (14/05/11) - BBC1
20 - 9.52m - Emmerdale (13/01/11) - ITV1/HD
21 - 9.11m - Scott and Bailey (29/05/11) - ITV1/HD
22 - 9.07m - Absolutely Fabulous (25/12/11) - BBC1
23 - 8.80m - Big Fat Gypsy Weddings (08/02/11) - C4
24 - 8.80m - Come Fly With Me (01/01/11) - BBC1
25 - 8.69m - Wild At Heart (09/01/11) - ITV1/HD
26 - 8.50m - Silent Witness (17/01/11) - BBC1
27 - 8.47m - Outnumbered (24/12/11) - BBC1
28 - 8.39m - Merlin (17/12/11) - BBC1
29 - 8.35m - The Royal Bodyguard (26/12/11) - BBC1
30 - 8.31m - UEFA Champions League (28/05/11) - BBC1
31 - 8.25m - Countryfile (30/10/11) - BBC1
32 - 8.24m - Mrs Brown’s Boys (26/12/11) - BBC1
33 - 8.22m - Benidorm (25/02/11) - ITV1/HD
34 - 8.10m - Midsommer Murders (02/02/11) - ITV1/HD
35 - 8.09m - Michael McIntyre’s Comedy Roadshow (25/12/11) - BBC1
36 - 7.98m - Lets Dance For Comic Relief (19/02/11) - BBC1
37 - 7.91m - Indiana Jones and The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (01/01/11) - BBC1
38 - 7.70m - South Riding (20/02/11) - BBC1
39 - 7.68m - Lark Rise To Candle ford (09/01/11) - BBC1
40 - 7.66m - The Jury (7/11/11) - ITV1/HD
BBC1: 26 shows
ITV1: 13 shows
C4: some gypsies
01 - 13.95m - The Royal Wedding (29/04/11) - BBC1/BBC NEWS
02 - 13.45m - The X Factor (11/12/11) - ITV1/HD
03 - 13.39m Strictly Come Dancing (17/12/11) - BBC1/HD/3D
04 - 12.63m - Britain’s Got Talent (04/06/11) - ITV1/HD
05 - 12.56m - Coronation Street (14/02/11) - ITV1/HD
06 - 12.50m - I’m A Celebrity… Get Me Out Of Here (13/11/11) - ITV1/HD
07 - 12.15m - Downton Abbey (06/11/11) - ITV1/HD
08 - 11.42m - Eastenders (03/01/11) - BBC1
09 - 10.77m - Doctor Who (25/12/11) - BBC1
10 - 10.76m - BBC News (29/04/11) - BBC1
11 - 10.67m - New Year Live (31/12/11) - BBC1
12 - 10.31m - Doc Martin (19/09/11) - ITV1/HD
13 - 10.26m - Comic Relief (18/03/11) - BBC1
14 - 10.24m - The Apprentice (17/07/11) - BBC1
= - 10.24m - Children In Need (18/11/11) - BBC1
16 - 10.23m - Dancing On Ice (09/01/11) - ITV1/HD
17 - 9.87m - New Tricks (15/08/11) - BBC1
18 - 9.73m - Frozen Planet (26/10/11) - BBC1
19 - 9.68m - The Eurovision Song Contest (14/05/11) - BBC1
20 - 9.52m - Emmerdale (13/01/11) - ITV1/HD
21 - 9.11m - Scott and Bailey (29/05/11) - ITV1/HD
22 - 9.07m - Absolutely Fabulous (25/12/11) - BBC1
23 - 8.80m - Big Fat Gypsy Weddings (08/02/11) - C4
24 - 8.80m - Come Fly With Me (01/01/11) - BBC1
25 - 8.69m - Wild At Heart (09/01/11) - ITV1/HD
26 - 8.50m - Silent Witness (17/01/11) - BBC1
27 - 8.47m - Outnumbered (24/12/11) - BBC1
28 - 8.39m - Merlin (17/12/11) - BBC1
29 - 8.35m - The Royal Bodyguard (26/12/11) - BBC1
30 - 8.31m - UEFA Champions League (28/05/11) - BBC1
31 - 8.25m - Countryfile (30/10/11) - BBC1
32 - 8.24m - Mrs Brown’s Boys (26/12/11) - BBC1
33 - 8.22m - Benidorm (25/02/11) - ITV1/HD
34 - 8.10m - Midsommer Murders (02/02/11) - ITV1/HD
35 - 8.09m - Michael McIntyre’s Comedy Roadshow (25/12/11) - BBC1
36 - 7.98m - Lets Dance For Comic Relief (19/02/11) - BBC1
37 - 7.91m - Indiana Jones and The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (01/01/11) - BBC1
38 - 7.70m - South Riding (20/02/11) - BBC1
39 - 7.68m - Lark Rise To Candle ford (09/01/11) - BBC1
40 - 7.66m - The Jury (7/11/11) - ITV1/HD
BBC1: 26 shows
ITV1: 13 shows
C4: some gypsies
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