does there needs to be a new news article?

Erm, who?

Under the old BARB reporting methodology it was measured by days rather than from the hour of original transmission. So a Sunday show would have a repeat included if it aired by Saturday night. Clearly you can only have one of each day in a single reporting week. So that DA repeat wouldn't have been counted under the old aggregation methodology. I don't know whether the current 7 day timeshift means "by the end of the 7th day" or "within 168 hours of first transmission". It's an interesting point though, does anyone know?

BIB.

Don't BARB record which individuals watched a programme (apart from generic "guests") so they know if someone is watching for the first or subsequent times. Trickytree will know if that's true and therefore if the "Live+7" stats take this into account...

K

That's a very good question.


Yes the Downton figures would go up as well...but the ITV player is a bit crap so people ditch it.

At least Demand5 doesn't do that.....

Those Live+7 figures do count repeats, don't they? I could be wrong, but I doubt Doctor Who had 2.11m on just iPlayer alone. Likewise, Absolutely Fabulous wouldn't have had 3.40m watching on iPlayer - that 12.47m includes the BBC1 repeat. I believe Live+7 incorporates all repeat viewing and iPlayer viewing within 7 days after initial transmission.

Has anyone told the Daily Mail?

Or 3.5m for Ab Fab....

with all due respect to BARB, is there enough people on the system to record the data with any hope of the data being nothing more than a best guess?


yes I think your right, sorry.

Again unless we know how many of the reported viewers were new viewers, we cant just add the figures up.

Thanks for clarification on how Live+7 works.

This delay to the ratings is taking the beeswax!!!!!

I want to know how CBB / CBB BOTS did!!!!

Hurry up BARB!!!! You're getting worse and worse!!!!!

Live+7 explained.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/abouttheb...bc-progr.shtml

Calm down, panic over, Downton still won!

Probably....

Tbf 95% of the time the ratings are released by 10am

The Xmas Eve, Day and Boxing Day EE were on BBC1 early afternoon on Tues 27th iirc. Doubt it got that many viewers. I would imagine the Xmas Day EE+BBC3 same night+iPlayer figure would have outdone the DA +ITV1+1 +ITVPlayer number though, surely?

I think the usual BARB 7 day timeshift is "within 168 hours of first transmission". So say for example a programme is shown on Tuesday at 9pm, the timeshift would include all viewers who recorded and watched it before the following Tuesday at 9pm, not the following Monday 24:00/Tuesday 02:00 if you get what I mean. The reason I say this is because Attentional release consolidated figures 8 days after transmission - so the officials for a Tuesday show the previous week are released the following Wednesday. If it was just "by the end of the 7th day" (i.e. until Monday in this example), I would've thought Attentional would release the consolidated figures on Tuesday.


A lot of people get confused about what's included in Live +7 and what's not. So it's worth mentioning on here .

Arrrrrggggh!!!
Live+7 is NOT the consolidated +iplayer, it's the consolidated plus ALL narrative repeats in the week plus iPlayer. Therefore, it includes the Christmas day showing (10.8m), the BBC1 repeat on the 27th (1.3m) and the BBC repeat on the 28th (0.5m). Please bear this in mind when the BBC issue the Live+7, it includes the repeats on TV. There is no way, not in a million years, that 2m people watched Doctor who on the iplayer.

Interesting...
10.8+1.3+0.5=12.6, leaving only <300k for iPlayer (DW episodes regularly get over 1m "requests", IIRC) so either:

Duplicate BARB viewers weren't counted or
Requests compared to watching whole prog is a severe overestimate or...

K

Yes, the BARB system effectively allows you to both aggregate the total cumulative average minute audience for which most people do, as with the Live+7 but also, you can run and work out reach and frequency, so for instance the number of people who watched it on the 25th and then subsequently on the 27th or 28th.....in fact, weirdly, there were a lot of people who watched it Live and then watched it again time-shifted...guess it was a complicated episode?

More about BBC Live+7

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/orga...utual-benefits

Well, the latter is certainly true, requests massively over-estimate average minute audience. Not sure whether they remove duplication or not, but they certainly do include TV repeats in the 7 days. Obviously, the iplayer usage will decrease as the TV viewing increases, purely on the basis that people dont need to 'catchup' and use the service.

Love the ever more new and interesting ways to count the Christmas day ratings.

Trickytree1979, I know it's a long shot - are you able to find out how many viewers who watched Sherlock on Sunday just gone also watched Wild at Heart on 9th January 2011? I'm just curious how much the crossover audience is. If that's not possible, do you have the separate Live + Same Day overnight data for the Sherlock episode just gone (how many watched it properly between 8.10-9.40pm)? Thanks.

I wouldn't because...


And I also question if those are unique views. Are people watching one of the repeats as well as the initial showing or are they different people ? And are all iPlayer requests actually watched?

EDIT: My mistake they can measure how much of an iPlayer request is watched. I read the blog I linked too.