If contracts have been signed (as they must have been if the BBC can confirm Series 3) they will have a writing and filming schedule - the actors don't just turn up on spec.

FIVE is now Channel 5
FIVER is now 5*
FIVE USA is now 5USA

So an impressive 1.2% for 5* yesterday then! Wow! And an even more impressive 8.3% for all of C5B's channels (inc +1)!

Surely it is a programme format - like IAC or BGT, a live feed would do very well on 5* why not have it on alternate nights. The celebs are there, the cameras are in place - show it live!! Imagine you are an advertiser, and you have the choice of Kate Thornton on Eating Disorders or the CBB Live Feed show. Which show would a target audience lap up.

BBC confirms Inside Men starts on Thursday February 2 at 9 pm on BBC1. It's 4x60 minutes about four security guards who rob their own depot, exploring the motives of each.

Thanks for that I just grabbed data from here. - http://www.channel4sales.com/data/ov...8/January/2012 it allows you to select different demographics.

This is adults 16-34 inc +1

It's a TV show..... not a format.... If it was a format, it would be a Big Brother style show under a different name.....

I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here is a format..... Taken from the Survivor / Shipwrecked kind of TV show.....

As an advertiser, I'd rather have CBB Live Feed because of the guaranteed viewers.....

Going by the 16 - 34 that share goes up to 11.7% which is even more impressive.

Well we can agree to disagree, in days gone by Big Brother was the name and the format. The format is losing steam in the UK, that is not to say a live feed programme cant pull in 600-900,000 each week night it is shown.

That's a really cool tool, must bookmark it.
gosh Channel 4 really is an advertisers dream isn't it. Fantastic ABC1 and 16-36 stats, second only to BBC most days. I always thought that BBC skewed really old, not according to that. Is it correct?

Yes we can. And I wouldn't say it's losing steam in the UK when ratings are on a par with the last CBB now, TBF if it was losing steam, it wouldn't be setting record ratings for 5* now would it?

I am pretty sure all data is verified, it seems to be bang on with ratings each day - occasionally the page is updated mid morning after the usual sources have posted.

Not sure if this has been posted here or not but it looks like Pointless will be following The Chase to Saturday night. The BBC have order 8 celebrity specials that will air on Saturday night presumably in the 'Total Wipeoit slot'.


Big Brother is a brand and it has been for sometime. When you cross into the realm not only of spin-off shows but actively pimping out your contestants to magazines and papers (most of which you also own) you enter into the territory of brands not television shows. And lets not forget that Five don't just limit themselves to direct spin-off shows like Bit on the Side you also get things like All About Amy, When Paddy Met Sally and an in development Jedward series that look to trade off of the Big Brother branding as well. Five are already on the point of overextending Big Brother (this is the third series in less than 12 months if nothing else) to add in a consistent live feed just keeps stretching an already aged and tired format that isn't as popular as it once was to breaking point.

The live feed isn't essential and the vast majority of the time it isn't even very popular. Inevitably it also ends up dominating at the expense of everything else and alienating viewers that don't care about Big Brother (which is an ever increasing number). I'm also not sure it has much in the way of an upside for Five. Are live feed viewers really more likely to stick around for the rest of 5*'s content? I don't have memories of things working out that way for E4. Out of interest does anyone have the numbers for whatever followed the live feed on 5* last night?

CBB is popular - regular Big Brother is a shadow of its former self. I watched almost all of BB 2011, but ratings were not electric. The spin off shows (Amy et al) are cheap and cheerful, maybe the ad revenue they bring in justifies their broadcast - even if quality wise they are pretty poor.

Regarding Live Feed, maybe a showing each Wednesday would work - it must be quite cheap to make and scores with the demographics.

My point was that both Freeman and Cumberbatch have both committed to shooting other things for most of the first quarter of this year at least which would suggest that there's basically no chance of Sherlock getting under way any time soon (presumably Benedict Cumberbatch didn't sign up for Star Trek 2 with a shooting scheduling that started last week knowing he'd already been booked to shoot Sherlock in February for example). Then after the first quarter of this year Doctor Who is likely looming large again for Moffat and Cumberbatch still has a drama to shoot for BBC2 which I would assume will follow on from him shooting Star Trek (although admittedly that's a guess).

As I said in my previous it seems to me as if the schedules currently all line-up for a late summer shoot which would (as far as I remember) but them on a similar schedule to series 2 which would make sense given that series 2 and 3 were ordered at the same time.


What, exactly, are you basing the idea that a live feed would do very well for 5* on? Or indeed that a target audience would 'lap it up'?

But assuming you're right why, I wonder, would Five want to air a live feed of Big Brother when it would just undermine their attempts to sell ads on Five and indeed attract audiences to programmes on Five? Surely their priority should be establishing a consistently growing audience for their main channel and not divert what little audience they have to 5*?


Firstly there have been Big Brother style shows under a different name. In fact Channel 4 aired one over the Christmas period. And again where is the notion of guaranteed viewers coming from?


Setting records on 5* is something of a meaningless stat in and of itself – a bit like ITV boasting about having their best Tuesday night performance in 12 months. Undoubtedly though the performance on 5* last night was very impressive however that was for a special one-off event that followed on directly from a live eviction show on Five. Presumably a live feed wouldn't have that kind of leg up every time it aired. And I would suggest that when a live eviction is struggling to pull in 2 million viewers its fair to say the show is running out of steam.

Channel 5 television is a bunch of channels, similarly to C4 which has E4 (and successfully chases the 16-34 ad ££ revenue) - there is no reason 5* cannot be a golden egg for C5, it would take some doing to be successful, I think they need to look at the schedule they put out and ensure the channel leans more towards younger viewers with regard to movies/drama/reality. Regarding the live feed, the success depends on the channel opposition, also the fact that it followed a live eviction show at 10:00pm - people did not turn to 5* through apparent boredom - they wanted to watch more of the show. The other channels last night at 10:00pm were showing News, The Crusades, News, a cyber-stalking drama and the KT documentary - hardly something that typical BB viewers would want to watch.

Ah okay - thought Star Trek didn't start shooting till around Summer.
Yeah should be able to fit Sherlock into production somewhere from late Summer onwards.

They cease to be BB related when they leave the house. After that, they are free to do what they want. Channel 5 just know how to cash in on a profitable show.

If they were spin off shows it would be Big Brother's Celebrity Wedding Planner or Big Brother's Celebrity Life Swap or even Big Brother Follows Amy Childs.


What exactly do they need to do? Pay writers for scripts, pay cameramen for multiple takes?

All they need to do is swap between cameras and mute anything libel. That's not hard nor is it expensive to do. The paid live feed on Channel 4's website failed because people didn't want to subscribe to something online that should be on TV for free.


It's not really struggling to pull in 2 million. IT IS pulling in 2 million, and plus 1 viewers, and on demand viewers, and those that record and watch the next day, and those that watch the repeat the next day on Channel 5, Channel 5 +1, 5* and 5* +1. Then there's also the fact that Big Brother is available to watch for more than 7 days online.....

And to say a show is running out of steam just hours after it pulls in record ratings to an under the radar channel which puts it on the map is really ludacris! And no I'm not on about the artist!


5* is becoming a golden egg for C5B. When has the channel ever had higher than a 1% audience share before?

BBC programme info for Week 6 is out: http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/pro...&channel=&day=

It looks as if the Andrew Marr series 'The Diamond Queen' will fill the Sunday 9pm slot for 3 weeks.

Being Human starts that week as well.

If it does air on Sundays, it'd need to take a week off the following Sunday due to the BAFTA Film Awards. I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up on Thursdays at 8pm because Earthflight, which is currently in that slot, is finishing the previous week.

I wonder if Paxman has given up all hope of his series ever being transmitted?

I think the accompanying book has been out since September....

Am I the only person on this thread who has never, ever, seen Big Brother celebrity or otherwise ?

What was the CBB +1 rating do we know?

It doesn't have to be a one off, the face to face nominations do, but they can still set them tasks and do nominations and twists after the show and get about half of that.

You're probably the only person in the country that's not seen it at some point!


It was mentioneed a few threads back. I think it was something like 180k?


Agreed, even if they get 400k, that'll still be amazing for 5* considering the only other shows that can manage that high are Home And Away, Alphas and The Mentalist.....