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Channel 5 television is a bunch of channels, similarly to C4 which has E4 (and successfully chases the 16-34 ad ££ revenue) - there is no reason 5* cannot be a golden egg for C5, it would take some doing to be successful, I think they need to look at the schedule they put out and ensure the channel leans more towards younger viewers with regard to movies/drama/reality. Regarding the live feed, the success depends on the channel opposition, also the fact that it followed a live eviction show at 10:00pm - people did not turn to 5* through apparent boredom - they wanted to watch more of the show. The other channels last night at 10:00pm were showing News, The Crusades, News, a cyber-stalking drama and the KT documentary - hardly something that typical BB viewers would want to watch.
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They cease to be BB related when they leave the house. After that, they are free to do what they want. Channel 5 just know how to cash in on a profitable show.
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What exactly do they need to do? Pay writers for scripts, pay cameramen for multiple takes? You'd be surprised by both how difficult and expensive that can be. All they need to do is swap between cameras and mute anything libel. That's not hard nor is it expensive to do. The paid live feed on Channel 4's website failed because people didn't want to subscribe to something online that should be on TV for free. Quote:
It's not really struggling to pull in 2 million. IT IS pulling in 2 million, and plus 1 viewers, and on demand viewers, and those that record and watch the next day, and those that watch the repeat the next day on Channel 5, Channel 5 +1, 5* and 5* +1. Then there's also the fact that Big Brother is available to watch for more than 7 days online..... Yes that viewers are opting to watch a live eviction via various catch-up services cannot be seen as a sign that Big Brother is running out of steam and that audiences are simply less interested in it than they were. That's without even going into historical comparisons. It is painfully obvious that Big Brother is a show on its last legs. It had a phenomenal run and one that was longer than I imagine most suspected was possible but that doesn't change the fact that it is playing to a decreasing level of interest from audiences as a whole. And to say a show is running out of steam just hours after it pulls in record ratings to an under the radar channel which puts it on the map is really ludacris! And no I'm not on about the artist! And once again hysteria about breaking a 5* record is all well and good but also has the same air as celebrating ITV's best Tuesday night performance in a year. They're fairly meaningless states in and of themselves because the bar is set so low to begin with. Quote:
It doesn't have to be a one off, the face to face nominations do, but they can still set them tasks and do nominations and twists after the show and get about half of that.
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But it'll play to ever diminishing returns (much like Big Brother in general). There's only so many stunts you can pull out of the hat before people stop caring and the Big Brother producers should have learnt that lesson already.
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Wish the eviction rating could be higher. 2.1m is around 250k lower than I expected it, but the Live Feed 5* rating....
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cant be any worse than "Sing If You Can" I suppose.
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Development work is also believed to have begun on a show with former X Factor and Celebrity Big Brother contestants Jedward
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But that's the first I had heard about the cookery format which sounds like their first major production.
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Didn't see this one coming...
American Idol premiered down 18% in total viewers and skewed considerably older, losing 27% of its 18-49 audience vs last seasons premiere. Previous Premiere Ratings: 2002: 9.85m (4.8) 2003: 26.5m (12.4) 2004: 29.0m (12.8) 2005: 33.5m (14.0) 2006: 35.5m (15.3) 2007: 37.3m (15.8) 2008: 33.2m (13.8) 2009: 30.1m (11.8) 2010: 29.9m (11.8) 2011: 26.2m (9.8) 2012: 21.6m (7.2) |
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It's something different for C5 but it's a risk IMO, since it's not the sort of show normally associated with C5. However good to see them trying new things and taking risks to try and diversify the schedule
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US Ratings - Thursday 19th January
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8pm - The Middle - 8.15m (2.6) 8.30pm - Suburgatory - 7.02m (2.5) 9pm - Modern Family - 11.81m (5.0) 9.30pm - Happy Endings - 6.22m (2.9) 10pm - Revenge - 7.58m (2.5) CBS: 8pm - NCIS (R) - 9.07m (1.5) 9pm - Criminal Minds - 12.83m (3.2) 10pm - CSI - 11.81m (2.8) FOX: 8pm - American Idol - 21.61m (7.2) NBC: 8pm - Whitney - 4.30m (1.6) 8.30pm - Are You There, Chelsea? - 4.27m (1.8) 9pm - Harry's Law - 6.41m (1.1) 10pm - Law & Order: SVU - 6.41m (1.8) Tvbythenumbers ABC's 8pm was off double digit percentages from last week to season lows. The 9pm hour held up better although Modern Family's 2% drop still took it to a tied season low. Revenge was up 4%. Criminal Minds was down 6% to a season low. NBC's entire line-up hit series lows, with the 8pm hour down over 20%. |
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That's low for American Idol. Forgive me if I'm wrong but i read The Voice USA is airing after the Superbowl. Is there a chance that The Voice could get a better rating then American Idol?
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That's low for American Idol. Forgive me if I'm wrong but i read The Voice USA is airing after the Superbowl. Is there a chance that The Voice could get a better rating then American Idol?
imo its down to over-doing it with both Idol AND X Factor selling themselves as the major singing competitions, and making the other either look preferable or worse. Especially since The Voice has joined in. Btw The Voice should certainly beat that - Glee did after Super Bowl last year (and it seems to be growing year-on-year), and The Voice I think should be able to target a more general audience. |
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That's low for American Idol. Forgive me if I'm wrong but i read The Voice USA is airing after the Superbowl. Is there a chance that The Voice could get a better rating then American Idol?
Last season, The Voice averaged a 4.5 rating but it was all over the place - up from a 5.1 to a 5.7 in the first 2 weeks. Then dropping when it moved to 10pm, eventually down below a 4.0. Then with the AGT lead-in it hovered in the mid 4's while the stand alone results shows (including the finale) fell into the 3's as well. There's no real telling how it will do on a regular basis. Alot also depends on whether or not Idol continues with this decline or if it was a one off. I think it might stabilise in the coming weeks, but we'll see. They've got an NFC Championship lead-in (50m+) for a special episode on Sunday which might help. If Idol is down 20% on average, then you're looking at an average in the high 5's. If it's down 25% then mid 5's. So The Voice would still need to improve by 20-30% to regularly win in the demo. In viewers I can't see it toppling Idol. However, NCIS may well top it a few times in total viewers (not entirely new - DWTS did this a few times in 2010). |
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FOX ordered a rush on the final ratings which lifts Idol to 21.9m (7.4), down 24% in the demo vs last year.
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Is that coming back this year?
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Can I ask why the BBC HD figures omit the simulcast of Great Railway Journeys?
How are the figures for series 3 holding up compared with Jan 2010 and 2011? It is as enjoyable as ever and Portillo has found his vocation. But I guess we are reaching a Coast type scenario where a series 4 in 2013 might have to start stepping beyond the mainland (he is going to the Isle of Man next week, I note) or include some excursions that might at best have made a footnote in Bradshawes. |
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Really good figure for the 5* live feed for Celebrity Big Brother. I think they should consider bringing it back more in some form, maybe 18:25 to 20:00 at first seeing as that is Channel 5's weakest slot.
Idol launched unusually low in America it seems. |
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CBB does well on Channel 5, but as previous posters have mentioned it is a declining format now and certainly, apart from Desmond rags, attracts little interest in other journals like it used to. Yet I still know 4 people at work who still talk about, so the interest is still there.
Crunch point will be the summer one. Should this stiff, and the last one struggled badly on some nights, I wonder if Desmond will ditch the brand. After all, 12 years is a long time considering all the show's contemporaries are long gone and almost forgotten. |
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101 Ways... was a really weird format though. It couldn't have been more obvious that someone just tried to slap a quiz onto Total Wipeout without really giving any thought to how that would actually work. The fact that the ways to leave a gameshow almost always turned out to be not very impressive didn't help either. And it was too slow. To be honest I'm not sure how that format could have been fixed it just seemed fundamentally flawed.
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ITV did a similar show - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian...tte_(game_show)
It was touted as the new Millionaire and used as a vehicle for Rhona Cameron when she left I'm a Celebrity. I thought it was quite good and I think it got a second series, but never really caught on. Quote:
Erm.....
This is 5! (1997) A Channel 5 Production Be A Star On Neighbours (2010) A Channel 5 Production Home And Away: Bay Reporter (2011) A Channel 5 Production I take it Broadcast were not aware of these in-house produced programmes? |
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CBB does well on Channel 5, but as previous posters have mentioned it is a declining format now and certainly, apart from Desmond rags, attracts little interest in other journals like it used to. Yet I still know 4 people at work who still talk about, so the interest is still there.
Crunch point will be the summer one. Should this stiff, and the last one struggled badly on some nights, I wonder if Desmond will ditch the brand. After all, 12 years is a long time considering all the show's contemporaries are long gone and almost forgotten. Given the growth in audience share C5 is enjoying this month I'd be very surprised if the celeb series at least wasn't recommissioned. And I think we need to see more of the normal version before we can be sure about whether or not that has a future. |
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ABC:
8pm - The Middle - 8.15m (2.6) 8.30pm - Suburgatory - 7.02m (2.5) 9pm - Modern Family - 11.81m (5.0) 9.30pm - Happy Endings - 6.22m (2.9) 10pm - Revenge - 7.58m (2.5) CBS: 8pm - NCIS (R) - 9.07m (1.5) 9pm - Criminal Minds - 12.83m (3.2) 10pm - CSI - 11.81m (2.8) FOX: 8pm - American Idol - 21.61m (7.2) NBC: 8pm - Whitney - 4.30m (1.6) 8.30pm - Are You There, Chelsea? - 4.27m (1.8) 9pm - Harry's Law - 6.41m (1.1) 10pm - Law & Order: SVU - 6.41m (1.8) Tvbythenumbers ABC's 8pm was off double digit percentages from last week to season lows. The 9pm hour held up better although Modern Family's 2% drop still took it to a tied season low. Revenge was up 4%. Criminal Minds was down 6% to a season low. NBC's entire line-up hit series lows, with the 8pm hour down over 20%. ABC weathered the storm with moderate levels of damage, and can be happy that they know their schedule won't collapse. All four comedies will live to fight again, and there must be some relief that Revenge seems to steady too. Much worse for NBC (so whats new there then) but it always looked like they'd rejected those comedies by sending them to Wednesday, and thrown their hat in with Up All Night on Thursdays instead. |
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I'm slowly catching up on reading this thread as I've been really busy the past few days, so this may have been discussed... but does anyone else find the Masterchef scheduling ridiculous this week? It's been running at 9pm Tuesday - Thursday... how boring and uninspired. Where's the variety been this week in the BBC1 9pm slot? I know Hustle is on tomorrow, but stripping Masterchef over three nights has been a bit much.
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[quote=sn_22;56006004]I wouldn't get too excited about Superstar on ITV1. Though the Maria and Joseph searches were very popular initially on BBC One (and we're only talking 6-8m, even then) the latter two series did drift from there. Taking a look through, and the last ALW show, Over the Rainbow, bumped along in the 5m region for officials from March to May 2010. Only one episode, the finale, cracked 6m as far as I can see.
I think this could do quite well, with some hot male Jesus's going for the role. One of the reasons Joseph did well was due to Lee Mead. I'm sure that there will be some smouldering hot males for the role of Jesus. Should draw in a huge female audience. |
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The Voice is filming at Television Centre today - getting a good reception from a few showbiz journalists who are there. Quote:
Loving The Voice format, judges seem really good, contestant really high quality. Should be a big hit if Beeb does it right! #thevoice
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So initial thoughts on The Voice. I'm very excited. Feels fresh compared to X. The coaches performed. Was fun.
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Didn't watch any auditions....as running so late. Great seeing Willoughbooby and Reggie fronting it. GREAT chemistry
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And from what I was told they've unearthed some great talent. Which is refreshing eh. #thevoice
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In The Voice studio - just watched the four coaches perform together. It was rather bloody good!
https://twitter.com/#!/ryanjl
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I'm amazed almost a million people watched live feed on 5* last night. That's high by any standard in the multichannel-universe, let alone 5*! Channel 5 should implement live feed into 5* much more during the next series. Not 24/7, which is unrealistic, but it would make sense having live feed on every night for an hour just after 9pm highlights shows, as an appropriate mid-fill programme between the HLs and BOTS at 11pm. And why not show a few hours of LF in daytime and after midnight on 5*? It can't do that much worse than what's currently being shown, surely??
And while we're on the topic of 5*, it's always struck me as a channel which could do so much more. Apart from Home & Away and that American sci-fi series the other month, there's never much happening on 5*. 5* should pick up the American or Australian series of Big Brother and see how that goes, what do they have to lose? If they rate badly, they won't be rating that much worse than how the channel currently does. if they rate well, that's a big boost to 5*. And whilst they're at it, go for the Australian X Factor rights. ITV2 aren't interested so 5* should go for it - again, what do they have to lose? If it bombs, oh well, but if it can pick up a quarter of a million to half a million viewers, then that'd be a sound acquisition. |
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I'm amazed almost a million people watched live feed on 5* last night. That's high by any standard in the multichannel-universe, let alone 5*!
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Didn't see this one coming...
American Idol premiered down 18% in total viewers and skewed considerably older, losing 27% of its 18-49 audience vs last seasons premiere. Previous Premiere Ratings: 2002: 9.85m (4.8) 2003: 26.5m (12.4) 2004: 29.0m (12.8) 2005: 33.5m (14.0) 2006: 35.5m (15.3) 2007: 37.3m (15.8) 2008: 33.2m (13.8) 2009: 30.1m (11.8) 2010: 29.9m (11.8) 2011: 26.2m (9.8) 2012: 21.6m (7.2) .
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I'm slowly catching up on reading this thread as I've been really busy the past few days, so this may have been discussed... but does anyone else find the Masterchef scheduling ridiculous this week? It's been running at 9pm Tuesday - Thursday... how boring and uninspired. Where's the variety been this week in the BBC1 9pm slot? I know Hustle is on tomorrow, but stripping Masterchef over three nights has been a bit much.
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