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Old 22-10-2012, 19:57
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Where did his fortune come from though? From fraudulently claiming to be a successful cyclist, so any money he has earned off of the back of that shpuld be paid back in full.
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Old 22-10-2012, 20:01
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They said on 5 Live if you lie to the US Government they can penalise you far more than they originally paid you. He lied under oath, he rode for a Government department (USPS), if they have the will, they could take everything. It's just whether they want to.
I don't know what he was paid by USPS, but would it be that high, in comparison with other commercial sponsorship, the SCA insurance money, Livestrong money etc? Although if it is "a lot" more, then it could still be an issue.
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Old 22-10-2012, 20:02
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The USADA response to UCI's decision:

This determination to uphold USADA’s decision on the U.S. Postal Services case does not by itself clean up cycling nor does it ensure the sport has moved past the obstacles that allowed doping to flourish in the age of EPO and blood transfusions. For cycling to truly move forward and for the world to know what went on in cycling, it is essential that an independent and meaningful Truth and Reconciliation Commission be established so that the sport can fully unshackle itself from the past. There are many more details of doping that are hidden, many more doping doctors, and corrupt team directors and the omerta has not yet been fully broken.
http://www.usada.org/media/statement102212

Too right the Omerta hasn't been fully broken.
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Old 22-10-2012, 20:07
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To save anyone else having to look the word up:

"Omerta: a popular cultural attitude and code of honour that places heavy importance on a deep-rooted "code of silence", non-cooperation with authorities, and non-interference in the illegal (and legal) actions of others."
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omert%C3%A0

No lagging, in Prisoner Cell Block H terms.
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Old 23-10-2012, 18:47
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Valverde, Samuel Sanchez, and Indurain have supported Armstrong and queried the USADA/UCI case. Perhaps he should consider becoming a Spanish citizen.

On a more positive note, the Tour 2013 route is announced tomorrow.
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Old 23-10-2012, 20:25
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Valverde, Samuel Sanchez, and Indurain have supported Armstrong and queried the USADA/UCI case. Perhaps he should consider becoming a Spanish citizen.

On a more positive note, the Tour 2013 route is announced tomorrow.


That just makes me more suspicious of Spanish riders than I was already, rather than suddenly being convinced that Lance rode clean.

I don't think that Valverde and Contador are clean anyway, but I am surprised at Indurain, I thought he'd want to keep his head down in case WADA decide to come after him. (I don't have any evidence to suggest he didn't ride clean though)
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Old 23-10-2012, 20:27
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I don't know what he was paid by USPS, but would it be that high, in comparison with other commercial sponsorship, the SCA insurance money, Livestrong money etc? Although if it is "a lot" more, then it could still be an issue.

They were talking about going after the money he'd received after lying under oath. The penalties can be huge.
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Old 24-10-2012, 12:01
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On a more positive note, the Tour 2013 route is announced tomorrow.
Missed most of this but just caught the last 20 minutes

Overall ...........it's a lot tougher than last year !

Lots of climbing, 28 climbs of cat 2 and above, 4 mountain top finishes

On one stage they go up Alpe D'huez, do a circuit and then go up again !............

They've also stuck in 2 mountain stages on the Friday and Saturday before the run in to Paris which should keep the GC open right to the end

The final stage into Paris will be in the evening finishing at about 10pm and the 'laps' will cover the whole Champs Elysées
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Old 24-10-2012, 12:04
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Looks like the 2013 tour will be decided in the last few days in the Alps. http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012...?newsfeed=true
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Old 24-10-2012, 12:06
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There doesn't seem to be a full map up yet on the Official website

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/20054580
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Old 24-10-2012, 12:34
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Missed most of this but just caught the last 20 minutes

Overall ...........it's a lot tougher than last year !

Lots of climbing, 28 climbs of cat 2 and above, 4 mountain top finishes

On one stage they go up Alpe D'huez, do a circuit and then go up again !............

They've also stuck in 2 mountain stages on the Friday and Saturday before the run in to Paris which should keep the GC open right to the end

The final stage into Paris will be in the evening finishing at about 10pm and the 'laps' will cover the whole Champs Elysées


The first stage is also a flat sprint for the first time since 1966 so Cav could wear yellow for the first time in his career.
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Old 24-10-2012, 12:39
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TdF 2013 route map: http://www.letour.fr/le-tour/2013/docs/TDF_2013_MAP.pdf
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Old 24-10-2012, 13:50
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The first stage is also a flat sprint for the first time since 1966 so Cav could wear yellow for the first time in his career.
There's also a stage into Marsailles which is one of the sprinters gold ribbon finishes

I think the sprinters have Paris, Bordeaux and Marsailles as the 'Big 3' that they all want to win during their careers !
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Old 24-10-2012, 14:40
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2013 TdF GC prophesy (guess)
1: Contador
2: Schleck (A)
3: Froome

(Subject to being available)
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Old 24-10-2012, 20:38
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"It is a shame that cycling is being dragged through this again really, not a shame that (Lance) has been caught. When you get older you start to realise Father Christmas doesn't exist and it is the same with Lance." – Bradley Wiggins as quoted by @itvcycling on Twitter.

Nice to hear further thoughts from him on this - doesn't sound so 'PR speak' this time either.
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Old 24-10-2012, 21:27
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Valverde, Samuel Sanchez, and Indurain have supported Armstrong and queried the USADA/UCI case. Perhaps he should consider becoming a Spanish citizen.

On a more positive note, the Tour 2013 route is announced tomorrow.
Add Contador to the list of those Spaniards now , no suprise really.
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Old 24-10-2012, 21:28
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The first stage is also a flat sprint for the first time since 1966 so Cav could wear yellow for the first time in his career.
That would be quality , could hold onto it for a while aswell by the looks of it.
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Old 25-10-2012, 04:08
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Open Letter to Pat McQuaid from Greg LeMond
Thu, 10/25/2012 - 2:31am by Andy Shen

Greg LeMond posted this to his Facebook timeline this evening. Please pass it around

Can anyone help me out? I know this sounds kind of lame but I am not well versed in social marketing. I would like to send a message to everyone that really loves cycling. I do not use twitter and do not have an organized way of getting some of my own "rage" out. I want to tell the world of cycling to please join me in telling Pat McQuaid to f##k off and resign. I have never seen such an abuse of power in cycling's history- resign Pat if you love cycling. Resign even if you hate the sport.

Pat McQuaid, you know dam well what has been going on in cycling, and if you want to deny it, then even more reasons why those who love cycling need to demand that you resign.

I have a file with what I believe is well documented proof that will exonerate Paul.

Pat in my opinion you and Hein are the corrupt part of the sport. I do not want to include everyone at the UCI because I believe that there are many, maybe most that work at the UCI that are dedicated to cycling, they do it out of the love of the sport, but you and your buddy Hein have destroyed the sport.

Pat, I thought you loved cycling? At one time you did and if you did love cycling please dig deep inside and remember that part of your life- allow cycling to grow and flourish- please! It is time to walk away. Walk away if you love cycling.

As a reminder I just want to point out that you recently you accused me of being the cause of USADA's investigation against Lance Armstrong. Why would you be inclined to go straight to me as the "cause"? Why shoot the messenger every time?

Every time you do this I get more and more entrenched. I was in your country over the last two weeks and I asked someone that knows you if you were someone that could be rehabilitated. His answer was very quick and it was not good for you. No was the answer, no, no , no!

The problem for sport is not drugs but corruption. You are the epitome of the word corruption.

You can read all about Webster's definition of corruption. If you want I can re-post my attorney's response to your letter where you threaten to sue me for calling the UCI corrupt. FYI I want to officially reiterate to you and Hein that in my opinion the two of your represent the essence of corruption.

I would encourage anyone that loves cycling to donate and support Paul in his fight against the Pat and Hein and the UCI. Skip lunch and donate the amount that you would have spent towards that Sunday buffet towards changing the sport of cycling.

I donated money for Paul's defense, and I am willing to donate a lot more, but I would like to use it to lobby for dramatic change in cycling. The sport does not need Pat McQuaid or Hein Verbruggen- if this sport is going to change it is now. Not next year, not down the road, now! Now or never!

People that really care about cycling have the power to change cycling- change it now by voicing your thought and donating money towards Paul Kimmage's defense, (Paul, I want to encourage you to not spend the money that has been donated to your defense fund on defending yourself in Switzerland. In my case, a USA citizen, I could care less if I lost the UCI's bogus lawsuit. Use the money to lobby for real change).

If people really want to clean the sport of cycling up all you have to do is put your money where your mouth is.

Don't buy a USA Cycling license. Give up racing for a year, just long enough to put the UCI and USA cycling out of business. We can then start from scratch and let the real lovers in cycling direct where and how the sport of cycling will go.

Please make a difference.
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Old 25-10-2012, 11:09
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Are the cycling pros starting to annoy anyone else? You've got the Spanish saying what's the problem, you've got Bradley getting angry and saying that LA let everyone down.

Surely everyone in the peleton knew what was happening at the time? They knew USPS were doing it, not one single person apart from a couple said ANYTHING. They all just turned the other way and bullied the couple of guys that did have honour out of the sport

Now they're all moaning or shrugging or getting angry.

So what's really going to change? None of them are taking responsibility for what they knew or what they could have done differently. Why couldn't the same thing happen again with another ride and another team? No-one, apart from maybe Millar and Vaughters are being honest

We're the ones that were shit on from a great height by everyone in cycling and you're the ones moaning that we don't trust you. How does that work?
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Old 25-10-2012, 15:24
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Interesting that Contender and Indurain still seem to support him..is that because they've been caught up in such situations too?
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Old 25-10-2012, 15:43
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Interesting that Contender and Indurain still seem to support him..is that because they've been caught up in such situations too?
Contador still is caught up in it... he's been called as a witness for the Operacion Puerto trial, which starts in January.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12...n-January.aspx

Could be some very uncomfortable questions headed his way, depending on what evidence comes out.
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Old 25-10-2012, 19:04
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Follow up to the orginal to "Peddlers - Cycling's Dirty Truth"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01nvv55

Team Sky lose a key team member due to their anit-doping stance;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/20088595
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Old 26-10-2012, 15:32
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The first event in the Revolution series of British domestic track events is at Manchester this weekend.

Highlights on ITV4 on Wednesday 31st.

http://www.cyclingrevolution.com/championship.php

There's 3 other rounds, 1 Dec, 5 Jan and 2 Feb in Glasgow.
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Old 26-10-2012, 16:12
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Surely there is a question about some of the other winners of the tour - why are they still "winners"?

I think USADA should also take a look at a famous horse whilst they are at it.
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Old 26-10-2012, 19:58
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No-one else will be getting Lance's "titles"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/20103406
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